American Gods Mafia - Game over

[A Gaggle of Geese]

And why exactly do you know so much about the set-up?

IDUNNO LOL. WHY DO YOU THINK?

[A Gaggle of Geese]

moi's role makes no sense in a set-up where you can REVIVE power roles. back-up doesn't fit to me that's of course another minor point.

[LlamaFluff]

That wasnt what I thought was going to be the claim... thought the solution to a puzzle just would have been solved but now it turns out the 100 piece one was really a 1000 piece.

No one hammer yet (also due to no one being sacraficed), I want to think about this a bit. Something feels off though, GG just mentioned what feels most odd. Just the result makes me uncomfortable.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

the whole just for lynches thing sounds incredibly bad too. if town lynch wrong it doesn't matter as we get MOI to take that pr...

[WrathChild]

I still don't really buy his claim, seems too convient but the flavor fits because Mr. Ibis was a mortician. It does make me feel even better about a Saint sacrifice, which should be able to prove or disporve the accuracy of MoI's claim. Also, something else was bothering me about Saint's claim. I'll be back with a quote.

[WrathChild]

I urge someone to simply vote on MoI so you all don't lynch

yet another power role

fucking idiots

I was not roleblocked to my knowledge
my role enables me to pick between 3 options at night, one which has a 50% chance to obstruct roleblocking
that is all that I am going to share for now

@WC: Is this what you "deduced" him to be? If not, what did you deduce? And why was this "so obvious if your paying attention and using logic"?

No this is not what I deduced him to be and it smells like BS, and I don't mean Back Stage. Take a moment and think about the only ability of his "3" that he has claimed.

"A 50% chance of obstructing roleblocking"

So if someone tries to roleblock him he has a 50% chance of not getting roleblocked if he uses this ability? Or he has to pick a target he thinks will be roleblocked and they have a 50% chance of not getting roleblocked if they are even roleblocked? Typically when a role involves multiple abilities these multiple abilities are generally of the same power level. If we are to believe this claim Saint has three pretty crappy abilities, or one really bad faked ability, or there are like 6 Roleblockers in this game.

@GG: I know for a fact that there is a % based system in my role PM. I get to pick between 3 things, all of which are % based (50%), and one of which is fairly obsolete. I haven't been using the one I've mentioned thus far. I have been using the third option which I would rather not disclose.

@LF: Delayed rolefishing is still rolefishing. I wouldn't give into it at all if I wasn't under pressure from what I'm considering to be the scumgroup. I was the only one who would stand up to Ythill, but I am suspicious as fucking hell of You/AGar/GG and the backstage troupe excluding Farside.

This does not seem much like a power role to me. Especially considering that he has 3 abilities, each with a 50% chance of success, about on par with near-worthless Roleblock-Stop. There seems to be a disconnect between his precieved power level and claimed power level.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

yeah MOI didn't even provide any flavour for the role. thanks for helping out wc x_x flavour plz moi.

[MagnaofIllusion]

yeah MOI didn't even provide any flavour for the role. thanks for helping out wc x_x flavour plz moi.

Um my role PM has no flavor. Thus there is nothing to provide.

You can now go back to outguessing the Mod and failing as usual

[A Gaggle of Geese]

thanks for permission. at least you got the lack of flavour right.

[Seacore]

anybody else think we have a win/win opportunity here?

Independent of MoI's claim, we all thought he was scum, and are prepared to lynch him for it.
However, he's claimed a guilty result on Saint.

So we lynch MoI and sacrifice saint.
Neither claimed ability seems incredibly pro-town. Saint's ability is random (and I agree with the doubt shown, but lets not waste time on outguessing the mod. Faraday, you should know exactly how much out guessing the mod is worth)
MoI's ability is effectively random, and could in fact be a scum ability even if he's telling the truth.
I started waffling there a little, so lets summarise
Neither should be kept alive soley because of their claim (unlike, say, for a doctor)
MoI's result claim means he's either lying, in which case he's the best lynch
or Saint's scum, in which case he's the best lynch.
We have two lynches.
Hell, we can always bring MoI back, that's why we're lynching him and sacrificing Saint.

sacrifice Saint

[AGar]

And where is MoI? It's fucking Thursday (alright, so Wednesday was the last day so far for normal people, but w/e). Isn't his V/LA generally stuck to weekends?

To be blunt AGar – Fuck off.

When you posted this it had been less than 48 hours since my last post. My life has been fucking busy lately. Deal with it.

Apparently it has. Apologies, that post didn't register in my head.

We get 1 watcher result? Of which, I've shown that she probably used to watch LynchMePls and got no result?

Ok, I know I'm about to fall over from tiredness here and all, but what's the logic here? Seriously, 100% curious - what logic points to LMP watch? I'd definitely have put up a Ythill watch as a tracker N1, with the amount of people jizzing themselves over a townread on him (myself included). While it doesn't give us the scumteam (obv) it might give us our mystery killer, which I'm not sure Apok would've come directly out with but would have come along with had MoI not speedhammered.

NOBODY HAMMER OR DO ANYTHING STUPID I WANT A FUCKING ANSWER TO THIS.

[Seacore]

AGar, while i"m normally against answering other people's questions, KK has answered this. He believes Apoka breadcrumbed an LMP watch.
I disagree that it's a firm breadcrumb, but he has answered that question.

[Seacore]

Now, I ISO'd Apokalyptika. The only watcher-breadcrumb that I could see was this:

I'm a bit surprised to see that it came from LMP, since I've had a generally town read on him. Still, IGMEOY.

Which looks like she's clearing LynchMePls.

AGar, here's the post.

[AGar]

Ok, I saw it. Yeah, I don't think it's any good either.

Kinda like MoI's claim.

Sacrifice: Saint

Revive: Apok

(I think I'm doing this already, but just to be sure that it counts in case it needs a sacrifice with it).

[Kublai Khan]

@KK: How many scum do you think is in this set up? And do you believe there is a second killing group?

No idea. Dunno about second group. Ythill's death points towards a SK existing.

Notice I total believe bringing back a town PR helps the town. I'm not seeing a reason it doesn't help come from KK's post. People are like, oh we should wait till more people die look hella scummy as it means more people die and less town info.

See, that just sounds like generic town platitudes. "Power roles = good!" is a shallow-minded theory. How long of a life do you think a confirmed town power role is going to have? We need to ressurect based on what knowledge we'll gain instead of what knowledge we could gain.

How do you know who was watched that day and why does it matter? Also did you notice or did it escape your attention there was one less kill last night then the night before?

Hooooly crap. For someone who combed my posts looking for inconsistencies (because we all know that pro-town players are never inconsistent), you missed where I posted what I thought was Apokalyptika's breadcrumb:

Now, I ISO'd Apokalyptika. The only watcher-breadcrumb that I could see was this:

I'm a bit surprised to see that it came from LMP, since I've had a generally town read on him. Still, IGMEOY.

Which looks like she's clearing LynchMePls.

Second, I did notice that there was 1 less kill last night. What of it? No killing role died, so I have no idea why there isn't a second kill. Why don't you tell me your insight into that particular conundrum?

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MagnaofIllusion & Saint's claims are.. interesting and bizarre. Between the two, MagnaofIllusion's makes more sense. But I want a full claim from Saint.

[Jahudo]

”First every year, then, later, when the rot set in, and they became lax, every nine years, they would sacrifice here. A sacrifice of nines. Each day, for nine days, they would hang nine animals from trees in the grove. One of those animals was always a man.”

Resurrection Vote Count

7 Votes Required

Apokalyptika (9) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22, Seacore, OhGodMyLife, Locke Lamora, LynchMePls, AGar, MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (4):

SGRaaize, Saint, Kublai Khan, WrathChild

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Sacrifice Vote Count

7 Votes Required

Saint (5) – WrathChild, AGar, MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls, Seacore
Kublai Khan (2) – farside22, Saint
MagnaofIllusion (1) – OhGodMyLife
Seacore (1) – Llamafluff

Not Voting (4):

A Gaggle of Geese, SGRaaize, Kublai Khan, Locke Lamora

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Lynch Vote Count

7 Votes Required

MagnaofIllusion (5) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22, AGar, Saint
AGar (1) – OhGodMyLife
Seacore (1) – LynchMePls
OhGodMyLife (1) – MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (5):

SGRaaize, WrathChild, Locke Lamora, Kublai Khan, Seacore

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Backstage Vote Count:

Top Four Players Go Backstage

Farside22 (6) – A Gaggle of Geese, farside22, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, WrathChild, Saint
A Gaggle of Geese (5) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22, Seacore, LynchMePls
Llamafluff (5) – A Gaggle of Geese, Llamafluff, farside22, WrathChild, Kublai Khan
Locke Lamora (4) – Seacore, OhGodMyLife, Saint, Locke Lamora
Seacore (4) – Seacore, Saint, Locke Lamora, Kublai Khan
LynchMePls (3) – Llamafluff, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion
Kublai Khan (2) – Locke Lamora, Kublai Khan
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife
AGar (1) – MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (8):

SGRaaize x3, AGar x3, WrathChild x1, OhGodMyLife x1

Day 3 ends on April 12 at 6:00 PM EST

[Seacore]

I have some thoughts about going from 2 kills to 1 kill. But there are so many possibilities, none of which I have more evidence for than any other, so there's no point discussing it.

After tonight, depending on how many kills there are, we can at least begin to work out what happened.

[farside22]

Way to dodge a question KK. I asked you when do you plan on doing a rez and why continue waiting another day? What do you think it will matter?
Also the fact there wasn't a second kill means either a doctor, rb or bp (typically) so how do you know that who ever comes back won't be saved by someone?

I'm placing money now that MOI will flip scum and Saint will flip SK at this point. Things about MOI's post don't add up. The thing about Saint talking about a RB tells me enough to change my sacrifice.

unsacrifice
sacrifice: Saint

Also I'm going to do something a bit odd right now.

unelect: Farside22
Elect: Secore

LMP has been too quiet and so is LL right now. I would rather Seacore come back there out of the 3 people with 4 votes.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Unelect AGar
Unelect Farside

Elect Seacore
Elect Locke Lamora

If anyone else has question for me I'll check in once a day or so.

At this stage I'm not going to waste time attempting to get any interactions and reasons since everyone's mind is made up.

Once I flip you can start looking at those who jumped on my wagon with little forethought.

[farside22]

MOI: Why did you "watch" Fate?

[Kublai Khan]

Way to dodge a question KK. I asked you when do you plan on doing a rez and why continue waiting another day? What do you think it will matter?
Also the fact there wasn't a second kill means either a doctor, rb or bp (typically) so how do you know that who ever comes back won't be saved by someone?

I'm not trying to dodge it. I'm answering that the inverse is worse. I've got a feeling that there are better roles to ressurect that will have more info than Apokalyptika. If nobody important dies today/tonight, then we can still revive her and we'll have another revive for later.

I'm guessing on low life-saving rolepowers giving the reviving mechanism. I may be playing a dangerous game of mod-out-guessing, but if I were designing this game, that's what I'd do.

[farside22]

MOI: While I'm asking did you read the book?
If not you may not know that the character you are claiming was a very minor character in the game.
Consider that both Jaquel and Ibis worked together in the book I would have thought maybe the mod didn't think about the book, but a universal back up role for a minor character is hard to swallow.

Shadow will meet a Mr. Ibis and a Mr. Jacquel, who run a shabby-genteel mortuary for "the colored folk hereabouts" -- "hereabouts" being Cairo, Ill.

The character shows up in chapter 8 by the way. Usually hanging around Jacquel and talking to Wednesday. IE: minor character /= power role.

[Seacore]

OGML, given that MoI is going to be lynched, would you mind switching your sacrifice vote to Saint. Or provide a good reason why not?

Also I'd like Locke and Gaggle to chime in on who should be sacrificed, given they are pro resurrection.
I could care less about KK's disagreement with the plan at the moment. I don't find it particularly scummy, I just disagree and will find my voters elsewhere.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

damn it people characters were randomised. jah already said this in the sign up thread so that's NOT a point against Moi.

i think i'd be okay sacraficing saint as he's PROBABLY the serial killer at this stage, eh. would actually be okay waiting till tomorrow to see wat MOI flips too as saint if the sk has to shoot someone scummy tonight and if not well we don't sacrafice him without magna's flip. not sure yet, really need to think a bit more.

[Seacore]

I completely disagree with that line of thinking for a number of reasons, farside.

1. I've both seen and done it, with minor characters getting power roles. Sometimes a minor character fits a role better. In a Clash of Kings, Faraday and I gave a 1 shot BP to the Greatjon. A character that has maybe 12 lines of dialogue in the whole series.

2. The role fits the character perfectly as somebody else, WC I think, has already said. It's been a little while since I read it but I believe they eat the liver and heart of the dead people? It's fine for them to get their power from who died recently.

3. Who the hell in the book counts as a major character?
Shadow. Wednesday. Any more? I'd love to know how Ibis doesn't qualify for a PR in your books but its okay for one of the Zoryas to be a watcher.

In summary. The claim is fine. I think it's entirely possible it's a scum role. I remember the mod saying that scum would be determined randomly, and given that Ythill flipped a non-character, maybe all the scum have fake-claim characters that match. But thats unimportant.
MoI is being lynched based on his behaviour. And Saint is being sacrificed partly on his behaviour and partly as a back up for if MoI is telling the truth.