Choose Your Side: A Monument of Sins - Game Over!

[Empking]

I don't see why I'd have to wait till midnight. It seems to me that it'd resolve immediately.

I want to confirm some things Empking.

The investigation ability I received was sold to me by an unknown party, for 40 AP.

This was the second time I was offered the deal, the first time being for 60 AP, so the price dropped.

I bought the ability, and used it on Parama.

The ability is a one-shot, and I lose it now that I have used it.

It tells me if the player is 3rd party, Town or Scum.

I assume it would Target Parama, but don't have confirmation of this.

How does your ability work? On what conditions are you informed?

I'm confirmed when somebody uses an investigative role.

Yeah I was right. That's pretty obvious what mistake was made. Town wouldn't comment on such an obvious rushed mix-up of words.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MPM I faked a PR in which I posted as if I was talking in the scum QT.

This game I'm just claiming scum, which is pretty much a staple across all games I'm town in.

My intent is to get Zdenek lynched. Did you need to ASK to come to that conclusion?

Bolded is what came to mind (because of hilarity).

Italics: Not what I meant Fate, and you know it. I was trying to see the intent behind WHY you wanted him lynched. Obviously you wanted him to hang. >.<

[UncertainKitten]

Thank you LLD! (for switching back to CSL) Also, I watched Madoka finally!

Also, FUCK YAR FATE!!!

@Fate: Seems no one followed up on it anyway. And my answer is the best one. I'd answer it if everyone else had .

@Prana: You mean half the people in the game that pointed this out? I think I might have specifically responded to you on that though. Your post makes me hmm.

@Fate: Your failure to see CSL scum is suspect!

While I'm at it, what's the case on Zdenek?

...Fully willing to lynch Zdenek in response to 623.

UnFoS CSL, FoS Zdenek

LLD's post makes me less hot on this lynch, but still hot enough.

Surprisingly have to go with Fate on this one.

Though a CSL or Tragedy lynch is fine too.

Anyway, nothing else of interest has occurred. Be less boring people!

[DemonHybrid]

There's no reason not to claim this at this point.

I was neighborized by Zdenek. Not masoned, neighbored.

He immediately claimed to me in our QT (which incidentally costs me 1 AP per post to post in). His claim included a miller claim.

This was back before the Parama investigation that this happened.

When did he tell you this? Like, give us the timestamp.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

April 3rd 10:02 AM ET (US)

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Tragedy

First things first:
@LLD: AGM gave me a sample of the sale PM, so… rough paraphrase:
Dings and kmart blue light specials aplenty. You win the prize!

Parama

when do you find out what one-shot ability it is?

when I receive it.
On that note, mod's apparently behind on actions, since I still haven't gotten what I bought yesterday.

PARAMA. I'll buy something off you for 25. Since you made a profit off of LLD's purchase a net loss of 5 on me will be ok from the LLD-transaction's gain of +10.
Because that's a chunk of my AP and I can't/won't exactly throw AP at some ability when I need it all game. (Don't plan on getting any more AP ever, so.)

If I don't make a profit, it ain't happening. LLD’s getting a discount, so it’s technically best for me to sell to her.

Whoever's still voting Parama or pushing his lynch should probably die.

Who are you and what have you done with Fate?

It seems that I only read half my PM. Whoops. Yerah, Parama is third party.

Derp the herp. Well you just dropped off my town list. I don’t believe your ability.

Parama's full-claim satisfies me and the actions that he sells are essentially pro-town.

Unvote

Vote CSL

Why is this guy still alive?

Sorry, guys, but four letters spelled "LIFE" is in my way. To be nice to the mod, I'll search for my own replacement...

^not today’s lynch.

Miller neighborizer.
K, lynch is a go.

2nded

MPM I faked a PR in which I posted as if I was talking in the scum QT.

I wish you posted like that in games I actually played with you <_<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

unvote, vote: Tragedy

First things first:
@LLD: AGM gave me a sample of the sale PM, so… rough paraphrase:
Dings and kmart blue light specials aplenty. You win the prize!

Parama

when do you find out what one-shot ability it is?

when I receive it.
On that note, mod's apparently behind on actions, since I still haven't gotten what I bought yesterday.

PARAMA. I'll buy something off you for 25. Since you made a profit off of LLD's purchase a net loss of 5 on me will be ok from the LLD-transaction's gain of +10.
Because that's a chunk of my AP and I can't/won't exactly throw AP at some ability when I need it all game. (Don't plan on getting any more AP ever, so.)

If I don't make a profit, it ain't happening. LLD’s getting a discount, so it’s technically best for me to sell to her.

Whoever's still voting Parama or pushing his lynch should probably die.

Who are you and what have you done with Fate?

It seems that I only read half my PM. Whoops. Yerah, Parama is third party.

Derp the herp. Well you just dropped off my town list. I don’t believe your ability.

Parama's full-claim satisfies me and the actions that he sells are essentially pro-town.

Unvote

Vote CSL

Why is this guy still alive?

Sorry, guys, but four letters spelled "LIFE" is in my way. To be nice to the mod, I'll search for my own replacement...

^not today’s lynch.

Miller neighborizer.
K, lynch is a go.

2nded

MPM I faked a PR in which I posted as if I was talking in the scum QT.

I wish you posted like that in games I actually played with you <_<

Good. Confirmed.

Also, selling me abilities is good.

[Tragedy]

I keep the fact that I can temporarily revive somebody when they're about to die in five real life days.

[Zdenek]

May this be temporary or the whole game?

As far as I know, it is for the whole game.

Since LLD has explained that I neighbourized her, there is no reason to not claim everything except the amounts of AP it costs me to do things:

I am Jeff Lebowski, The Dude, from The Big Lebowski. I am a miller neighborizer. My Side is Town, and my Faction is Town, if I am investigated, I appear to be aligned with the mafia.

I can invite people to post in the neigbour QT; neighborizing someone costs X AP. I gain Y AP for each real-life day that passes and started with Z. I don't have to pay AP to vote., but I have to pay one AP each time I post in the QT.

Unvote
Vote Empking

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I keep the fact that I can temporarily revive somebody when they're about to die in five real life days.

Why would you claim this

now?

[PranaDevil]

UK, half the players failed to point it out, they merely were saying Tragedy was scum. There's a difference between calling someone scum, and saying WHY they are scum.

Also I'm

V/LA until Monday PM

, I may have chance to catch up on Sunday, depends what time I get back.

[Tragedy]

I keep the fact that I can temporarily revive somebody when they're about to die in five real life days.

Why would you claim this

now?

It may be stupid, but it's pretty worth it when I can save my ass (or somebody elses).

[PranaDevil]

I've not left yet, but... you can revive YOURSELF if you're going to die?

Does this count on just a scum/third party/vig kill, or does it also count for lynching?

[PranaDevil]

Fuck'sake... ooookay

[UncertainKitten]

@Prana: Wasn't that. And you're only at a Hmm. There are at least 7 people I'd kill right now if I were an unlimited Dayvig. You aren't one of them...yet. Why so antsy?

And really, Tragedy has a temporary revive? But she doesn't have the AP for it yet? So doesn't that mean we should, like, kill her now?

[MagnaofIllusion]

ROAR

Zdenek’s full-claim as the Dude makes me waiver on his miller claim. Doesn’t seem to make much sense the Dude as a Town player to be millerized. On the other hand the Dude submitted as scum would make more sense. That said outguessing the Mod is not good play. I need to mull …

--

I was saying, "I always do this, aren't you familiar with my meta?"

So you are obviously cognizant of your Town meta, thus you can easily fake it as Scum. So your behavior here should be a Null tell. Good to know.

--

There was no evolution. I only mentioned the relevant bit.

Yes, there clearly is an evolution. You first stated that you would be informed if there was an investigation ability used. Later you said you’d get all the results of any investigations. That’s a rather significant change.

@LLD

– Please confirm Empking’s statement that your investigation returned a Gun in regards to Parama. If you already have done so and I missed it please point me in the right direction.

In this game (which I presumer to be power role heavy) with that mechanic (

getting town to waste AP to try and get scum Zdenek to help the

) its pretty evident that its a scum role.[/b]

Bolded for emphasis –

1. Can you explain how non-moron Town wouldn’t be freely able to not say a thing in the QT as a means to conserve their AP?
2. What does “to try and get scum Zdenek to help the” mean?

If you want to argue about the merits of his claim Miller claim or play that’s one thing. Arguing about his ability being inherently scum driven based on number 1 above makes little sense.

[Benmage]

Myb for mia again....ill get back in here soon.

[Empking]

Yes, there clearly is an evolution. You first stated that you would be informed if there was an investigation ability used. Later you said you’d get all the results of any investigations. That’s a rather significant change.

Sigh. Being informed of when when an investigative ability is used in an unavoidable consequence of my ability to see the results of any investigations.

1. Can you explain how non-moron Town wouldn’t be freely able to not say a thing in the QT as a means to conserve their AP?

Town doesn't know that the person they're talking to is scum and thus won't help them. If I'm right and Zdenek is scum then he's already wasted some of LLD's AP. Are you calling LLD a moron?

2. What does “to try and get scum Zdenek to help the” mean?

them. It should be "them".

[MagnaofIllusion]

ROAR

--

Town doesn't know that the person they're talking to is scum and thus won't help them.

If I'm right and Zdenek is scum then he's already wasted some of LLD's AP. Are you calling LLD a moron?

I've bolded and italized these sentances because I don't see how you can join them together.

Bold - You are saying that a Town player doesn't know if Zdenek is scum and thus won't help them. I agree with this. Town thus protects their AP.

Italizied - If the bolded is true how does it follow that LLD is wasting AP helping Zdenek? Further, how do you know LLD spent any AP at all to post in the QT. It only costs to POST there. Looking, as it has been explained to my mind, is free.

In summary I could see LLD spending a single AP point (and it only costs that per LLD) to say "Hey, I'm not going to be posting here because it could be a scum AP sink. Feel free to post as much as you want ... I'll be reading along". How is that an effective and damning scum power at all?

[Empking]

No Zdenek won't help LLD not the other way round.

In summary I could see LLD spending a single AP point (and it only costs that per LLD) to say "Hey, I'm not going to be posting here because it could be a scum AP sink. Feel free to post as much as you want ... I'll be reading along". How is that an effective and damning scum power at all?

There's an easy way to see this.

LLD: Is that what happened?

[MagnaofIllusion]

ROAR

No Zdenek won't help LLD not the other way round.

Try taking time composing your thoughts then because that is the exact opposite of what you said.

And to put it bluntly ... so what? What does scum Zdenek gain by opening a QT with LLD-Town that any reasonably bright Town player is not going to drop tons of AP into considering it is a Neigbhorize action and not a Masonize action?

You've yet to explain in any logical manner why it is obv-Scum ability.

[Katsuki]

I'm lost here.

What was the case on Tragedy?

[UncertainKitten]

@Katsuki:
Step 1: Read Tragedy ISO
Step 2: Collect all incidences of scumhunting or general participation in this game beyond set up spec in notepad. You won't need much space.
Step 3: Look over what little bit you have, and read the intent behind it, also considering how little relevant content she's posted already.
Step 4: Vote Tragedy, as that is the only pro town conclusion you can come to
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Profit!!!

UnFoS, FoS Tragedy

Forgot to move my not vote. We probably want to deal with her soon, people, rather than let her waste our lynches.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No Zdenek won't help LLD not the other way round.

In summary I could see LLD spending a single AP point (and it only costs that per LLD) to say "Hey, I'm not going to be posting here because it could be a scum AP sink. Feel free to post as much as you want ... I'll be reading along". How is that an effective and damning scum power at all?

There's an easy way to see this.

LLD: Is that what happened?

I came into the chat, posted one message to tell him I would not be posting there often, if at all, but that I would check the thread regularly to read any thing he wanted to say in terms of reads.

To this point in time, I have spent 1 AP in that QT.

[Empking]

No Zdenek won't help LLD not the other way round.

In summary I could see LLD spending a single AP point (and it only costs that per LLD) to say "Hey, I'm not going to be posting here because it could be a scum AP sink. Feel free to post as much as you want ... I'll be reading along". How is that an effective and damning scum power at all?

There's an easy way to see this.

LLD: Is that what happened?

I came into the chat, posted one message to tell him I would not be posting there often, if at all, but that I would check the thread regularly to read any thing he wanted to say in terms of reads.

To this point in time, I have spent 1 AP in that QT.

Huh. Maybe I was wrong then.