A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[Hoppster]

Response to this post (above, but linked for ISO purposes):

Is your town-read on SC gut?

And lynching me because I want to lynch you - how is this not OMGUS? Or is it OMGUS?

DemonHybrid's post here:

What is the motivation behind TS posting the way he is? He's prodding for information. It should read off as very town. He's not ignoring information or misrepping people.

[Twistedspoon]

Response to this post (above, but linked for ISO purposes):

Is your town-read on SC gut?

without having to read back, yes

And lynching me because I want to lynch you - how is this not OMGUS? Or is it OMGUS?

both. If it was another player you were targeting who I knew was a confirmed townie I would suspect you for the same reason. However it just so happens to be myself, so it looks like omgus I guess

DemonHybrid's post here:

What is the motivation behind TS posting the way he is? He's prodding for information. It should read off as very town. He's not ignoring information or misrepping people.

well I agree that I'm not misrepping people etc.
so what's the problem?

answers in bold

[vezokpiraka]

Response to this post (above, but linked for ISO purposes):

Is your town-read on SC gut?

without having to read back, yes

And lynching me because I want to lynch you - how is this not OMGUS? Or is it OMGUS?

both. If it was another player you were targeting who I knew was a confirmed townie I would suspect you for the same reason. However it just so happens to be myself, so it looks like omgus I guess

DemonHybrid's post here:

What is the motivation behind TS posting the way he is? He's prodding for information. It should read off as very town. He's not ignoring information or misrepping people.

well I agree that I'm not misrepping people etc.
so what's the problem?

answers in bold

Stop doing that. It's annoying.

[Twistedspoon]

care to answer my question and say why you find kr0b scummy, vezok?

also, answering in bold isn't annoying. They're right underneath the questions and the boldness indicates the parts that are mine

[Hoppster]

Response to this post:

So, essentially, it is OMGUS? So why are you not attacking TheLonging or other people who have voted you etc.?

Also, if you'd actually read DemonHybrid's post you'd know what I meant. He says you're prodding for information. Has this been your tactic?

And yes, you have been misrepresenting people.

[Twistedspoon]

Response to this post:

So, essentially, it is OMGUS? So why are you not attacking TheLonging or other people who have voted you etc.?

I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. You've been pushing me harder than longing anyways

Also, if you'd actually read DemonHybrid's post you'd know what I meant. He says you're prodding for information. Has this been your tactic?

I don't name my tactics or use any consciously. I play however I feel like it. I go with the flow (or at least I do when I'm in 9 other games ¬_¬). I don't know how I come across to others or follow particular tactics, but if people think I've been prodding for info then I may very well have bee. I play without any aims other than lynching scum. Anything else is second place.

And yes, you have been misrepresenting people.

I've answered why I haven't

answers in bold

[Hoppster]

Link to your best town game, please.

[Hoppster]

(Completed, obviously.)

[Twistedspoon]

what do you mean best?
does it have to be a theme game? can it be an open game? do i have to be VT?

[Twistedspoon]

the first game that comes to mind for 'best town game' is my donner party open game. It's the first of 2 town games that I've won. I made 2 awesome vig kills and DH can back me up there that I would have been best player were DRK not been an even better roleblocker

however, aside from my vigilante prowess my play was lackluster, especially pre-claim

my other town win game was a really long newbie game where I was fantastic D1, bagging the scum who no-one suspected, but completely clueless D2

[Twistedspoon]

and what might be the point of this line of reasoning?

i.e. what are you looking for in these games of mine?

[inHimshallibe]

Why do you only have a town

read

on yourself?

My good sir, this is the point when the gander gives up the goose to catch her another day.

[Hoppster]

Why do you only have a town

read

on yourself?

My good sir, this is the point when the gander gives up the goose to catch her another day.

I thought about this when I was typing it out and whether I was delving into pointless semantics, but I do think that the general 'feel' of a post helps to find scum. I did believe it rather odd that he would choose to say he had a town read on himself. It seems a rather unnatural choice of words.

Twistedspoon, I specifically asked for LINKS. >>

You'll see where I'm going when you've linked me.

Or update your Wiki. Either works.

[Twistedspoon]

you were the one who called it a read

anyways, for me to give links you'll have to answer post 333 where I ask you to clarify what you mean by best

[Hoppster]

you were the one who called it a read

Okay. But out of interest, if vezokpiraka said he had a town read on himself, would you think this scummy? (After all, he'd know he was town and it wouldn't be a read, right?)

anyways, for me to give links you'll have to answer post 333 where I ask you to clarify what you mean by best

When you then suggested games, I assumed you knew what I meant. >>

Games where you think you played well (reasonably consistently).

[Twistedspoon]

you were the one who called it a read

Okay. But out of interest, if vezokpiraka said he had a town read on himself, would you think this scummy? (After all, he'd know he was town and it wouldn't be a read, right?)

Yes I would think it wee odd. But in my case you placed the words into my mouth. A trick which I wouldn't put past yourself

anyways, for me to give links you'll have to answer post 333 where I ask you to clarify what you mean by best

When you then suggested games, I assumed you knew what I meant. >>

Games where you think you played well (reasonably consistently).

I rarely play consistently. In the donner party game I mentioned I was quite bad pre-claim and in the other game I was totally wrong D2 after being so right D1. The only other semi-reasonable townie game of mine would be the fishbowl one. After I became a confirmed townie in that game my play improved and I got nightkilled, but prior to that I was less sharp

[Twistedspoon]

I have no problem providing links, and will do so, but you might end up getting the wrong type of game you want from me if we don't clarify now

[Twistedspoon]

take your pick

(chronological order)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16537
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=16906
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17140

ftr, DH was in the second game too

[Twistedspoon]

I find it interesting how you're not asking for a scum game too, to balance it out and so you know that there are some things I don't just do as town (I can't give an example though)

[TheLonging]

I am however suspicious of TheLonging, for a rather abrupt change of track from vezok to Twistedspoon.

It's called rereading

I'm sorry, but no. Don't try to brush off this as something as simple as re-reading.

TheLonging: It is impolite to keep secrets in company. What additional reasons do you have for finding Sir Twisted scummy?

My post where I showed all of his fluff.

ISO #66, ISO #61, ISO #56

those convinced me the most

You had to re-read to realise he was posting largely fluff?

A) It is rereading. I even said that I would reread the thread. Maybe you should read some more <_<
B) I didn't, I had to re read to see why he was scum and who he could be scum with.

[Hoppster]

Response to this post:

No, I didn't put the words into your mouth.

I have a stronger town read on vezok and myself than kr0b

What do you say to that now?

I also very quickly skimmed the last game (albeit just the first few pages as it was quite boring), and you don't seem to be blindly OMGUS'ing, although using your logic this game that people attacking you should be lynched, that doesn't seem to quite match up. What do you think of that?


TheLonging: You've said that one of the more convincing things for Twistedspoon being scum was his fluff, but then you've also said that you had to re-read to see why he was scum. Yet you've also said you didn't have to re-read to see his posts were largely fluff. I'm not quite sure how this matches up.

Also, who would you think is scum with Twistedspoon? I see no pro-town reason for witholding it, for if you are NK'd then we shall never know.

[Twistedspoon]

What do you say to that now?

you know what I meant. I wanted to put myself and vezok in the same category as people I either know or think are town, and read was the word that fitted vezok, less so with myself

that doesn't seem to quite match up. What do you think of that?

in that game I had better evidence. Not so with this one.

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry, I'm going to do a reply post when I get back from doing paperwork at my job. It's been a busy couple of days and I haven't been able to sit down and do a constructive reply to everyone who's asked for one.

[TheLonging]

TheLonging: You've said that one of the more convincing things for Twistedspoon being scum was his fluff, but then you've also said that you had to re-read to see why he was scum. Yet you've also said you didn't have to re-read to see his posts were largely fluff. I'm not quite sure how this matches up.

Also, who would you think is scum with Twistedspoon? I see no pro-town reason for witholding it, for if you are NK'd then we shall never know.

I pointed out the fluff before I even reread, I reread after to see why he was scum (town players can post fluff too), and I didn't reread the thread to see what posts of his were largely fluff because I did that before the reread.

My opinions are controversial but I'm saying vezok and kpaca

[Hoppster]

What do you say to that now?

you know what I meant. I wanted to put myself and vezok in the same category as people I either know or think are town, and read was the word that fitted vezok, less so with myself

It's a very odd choice for yourself, though, isn't it?

that doesn't seem to quite match up. What do you think of that?

in that game I had better evidence. Not so with this one.

Lack of evidence makes you OMGUSy?

I pointed out the fluff before I even reread, I reread after to see why he was scum (town players can post fluff too), and I didn't reread the thread to see what posts of his were largely fluff because I did that before the reread.

My opinions are controversial but I'm saying vezok and kpaca

Sorry, my bad.

Is the TS-vezok-kpaca based on interactions or just general individual scumminess?