Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[jmj3000]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

danakillsu

- 4 - Kdub, esuriospiritus, GhostWriter, Dekes - (L-3)

thil13

- 3 - Ythan, Pinky and the Brain, crazypianist1116, - (L-4)

Kdub

- 1 - danakillsu - (L-6)

Players not voting: DemonHybrid, thil13, Bunnylover, lewarcher82, The Master Hand

(expired on 2011-06-06 05:00:00)

Y'all please let me know if there are errors.

[The Master Hand]

It'll be interesting though, since I don't think thil13, by himself, would bring up the idea of faking Cop result on his buddy. Yes, the N1/N3 claim is convenient. But what scumteam wouldn't just blanket-RB him for awhile and prevent his reads.

Am too lazy right now to actually ISO anyone. Sorry.

I find it suspect that you're refusing to look at any angle other than thil claimed cop. There is plenty more to read in his posts and plenty that has been posted by others. Dude's scum.

Dude, Pine flipped scum. If the scumteam is going to buss its own and hand us a scumlynch out of the benevolence of their hearts, well then feel free. Hell, buss all of your members in order, please. [/sarcasm] But seriously. He netted us a scumbag. If he's scum who bussed his buddy then so be it. But he bussed his buddy and we lynched the fucker. We're good. thil isn't going anywhere.

We have an equal chance of lynching scum if we do it in the reverse order and if he lives through the end of the day he's likely to draw the NK anyways before he has a chance to reveal another investigation result.

Are you guys just being pricks to be pricks? We wouldn't we lynch the cop-damnified scum before the supposed fake cop? Seriously, he's probably town and he probably has a guilty. Deal with it idiots.

he claims cop with ONE result on day three

At max, he could only have two results, silly.

Also TMH: There's fucking two of you on that hydra and you post so infrequently that you end up with these giant text walls. Post more PLEASE

I'm sorry the other head isn't quite as good to carry the weight of the hydra. I could, but am frankly unmotivated to do so when he hardly prods me, and since he's been doing a fine job so far, day n' nite and all, I've let it be. He pesters me and I finally get in here. Its just really hard to get into this game at times.

Again I find completely ignoring every other facet of the claimed cop situation to be the acme of scumminess.

I find completely ignoring the fact he has a guilty is scummy as hell. OH WAIT.

dana reads as town because of Storm of Swords. I thought his non-posting was scummy as hell, and he was town. So yeah.
Kdub is still really likely town. As was

]We either lose a VT or lynch scum when lynching Pine. We lynch Thil, we either lose our cop or lynch scum. The choice is obvious.

Oppportunity Costs, guys. Opportunity costs.

I loved Paper Mario. The first one. /just saying

And Ythan seems to be a little too desperate to get thil lynched in the last couple of pages considering the gain/loss of a Pine vs. a thil lynch.

I agree, but he's scum for plenty of other reasons besides that.

lol@Ythan hammering Pine.

OH HI DEAD SCUM. LOL
WARIO. HRMMMM.

Also, I'd bet my night action hohum was vig'd. (Or, killed by SK attempting to post as vig.)
Also, the killflavor for hohum and RC is oddly familiar in the "energy burns" field.

Ythan entering D4 is just crap. Sorry. Not sure how to take that, tell-wise though.

why would two mafias (chk = lou and pine), one of which was already hardly fos'd, decide to start a case against a third mafia member? I don't see how chk could be scum with thil. Would on the contrary make perfect sense for you to be scum with them.

This.

Hmm. After reviewing the evidence, I tend to agree that thil's actions read more like inept scum than unfortunate town. I'll vote: thil and see what happens. The wagon should at least get us some information. So I guess we have a vig, a SK, and mafia shooting at the same time, then?

What is this "evidence" you speak of, and how does it mean thil being scum?

There were no deaths N1 and 1 N2. I don't think there's an SK.

Either that or all the kill-slots were being replaced. (Yes I'm srs.)

Yet when you're then attacked the next day, your answer is "anything I have to say would be taken as scummy to you"?

That's not the attitude of a cop.

You're justifying the vote on thil by saying "that's not how a cop would play".
Which is a crappy excuse. We're not talking about how roles interact.
We're talking about how PEOPLE interact.
And thil isn't your average good player on mafia. Sorry. You're expecting him to play godlike because he's cop. Being a cop does not mean you must play godlike. It means that when you get a guilty you get a Mo-Fo lynched. Simple as that.

As scum, it's not unreasonable to try and draw out a CC as you go down.

It IS uncommon to see a player throw his buddy under when he could have just as easily gotten a mislynch from the cop claim.

Because there is every reason to believe he didn't catch scum. Keep up, we've been talking about it.

He caught scum. Pine flipped scum.
Whether or not he is a cop or not is under question, yes, but he did catch scum, effectively.

Because you're not a cop. You're trying to use the fact that you don't have a result

prove that you somehow

are the cop.

Prove that you somehow

are the doc.

OH WAIT.

doubles of PRs might be a plausible idea.

OUTGUESSING MOD, WARNING:
I find that highly unlikely.
[/END]

Let's get the facts straight:
- There is no hint whatsoever to be seen thil had a guilty on Espeo

LOLWUT

Part of it might be because the bloc hasn't been acting like a bloc since early Day 2 and has lost a lot of its threat for any scum.

Because the block is infested with scum??

CRAZYPIANIST IS SCILL SCUM.

Andy, you know I love you, man. But you should also know that you lost any credibility and a town membership since this one here.

HEHEHAHAHAHA. That's gold there. Ok, I'll grant you that. /lolthatwasfreakinhilariousdanadidyoucatchthat?

OH WAIT.

Ythan, do you think that scum fakeclaiming cop would claim to have failed to send in an action N1? If anything, that strikes me as more likely to be an honest answer. That just raises extra doubts when he could have easily claimed an innocent on someone if he was lying.

MEHHHHHH (Its a small small small townread, yes.) But I like your thinknig.

But if Ythan is pulling that card then... hell.

Oh hey, esurio. Guess what.
We're freaking MARIO.
Ythan, Dekes, and crazypianist are all scum. [/last three night actions]
OK OK. NOW START VOTING THEM.

Y U NOT VOTING?

OH WAIT.

Yeah. The "that card" shit is shit. I'm sorry.

Esurio, what about our vote doesn't give you "warm and fuzzy" feelings?

The better question for esurio: why does it matter?

I find it questionable that TMH both acknowledges my hinting

I didn't think you were crumbing at all, actually.

I would think normally that big a bus would be impossible for scum to make.

OHOHOHOHO.
Resurgence Mafia. Day Two. Scum strategically bussed Exilon. Scumwin.

Hey thil, who did you investigate N3?

it may be better need to claim eventually to get the thil lynch through.

*cough*what thil did.*cough*

TMH: How confident are you in Thil's claim?

As confindent as i can be with ythan alive.
pianist's catchup leavese much to be desired.
OH WAIT.
pianist is scum.

*facepalm at 1237*

See, but he's not going to get any incorrect results - he's not going to get any, period. Either he's going to continue the 'OH I WAS ROLEBLOCKED' charade, or if he's actually town he's just going to continue to be roleblocked.

I beg to differ. He'll pull results if he's scum and confident in his non-death.
No one gets a free pass. Saying someone does is bullshit.
Yaaaay misrep?

Hmm, coming from somebody who apparently wins with the rest of the town. Wut.

if that's all you have to say we need to talk.

Why Ythan? Why nobody else voting thil (dana, myself, Dekes, esurio)?

Dekes is also scum.
You and esurio are possibilities.
But Ythan is scum-more and we need him toasted.

MB53.
OH WAIT.

THIL. This is what you will do. whatever you think, you say. if someone is scum then you say so. speak your mind please. dont be afraid.

bunnylovers' vote is good. reasoning is not.
ANYWAY.

Hoppster, always assume a scum RB. That's how I work. That's how mods solve balance issues, so always assume scum RB/Redirector/JK.

crazypianistmustdie.

Emphasizing "trust me" kind of says role information to me.

All it reads to me is "im pulling a fate". And I know you love Fate, right?
OH WAIT.

@thil: investigating tmh for being a hydra is not a very convincing explanation after the events of late day3... if you were cop, you would have prolly investigated hohum, or chk...

unvote; vote: thil

my reasons for doing this don't depend on dana being less scummy (still scummy as hell), but rather on stuff that was hinted to in the last 24 hours. Obviously I cannot reveal my reasons without ythan's consent, and I see that he does not want to share as much as I would... so please keep reading: the rest of this post is relevant.

WAIT WHAT.

if you were cop, you would have prolly investigated hohum, or chk...

unvote; vote: thil

LOLWUT.
Please don't tell me you voted him on who he investigated.

Obviously I cannot reveal my reasons without ythan's consent,

The fuck?

This breadcrumb in my second post (meant to put it in my first) is in reference to my pulling Peach in a game of RC's.

If that's the best you could do...

It is referred to as the time Exor destroyed Star Road.

LOLNOSON

Ythan, do you have any other scumreads?
townreads?
PLZ

@TMH: Can you elaborate on why you're leaving your vote on Ythan, please?

We think he's scum. A rare co-op read for us, but nonetheless.

NO YOU FUCKING PUT YOUR VOTE BACK TOAST.

Vote: Ythan

Claim changes nothing.

However, I want the bloc to keep existing... let me quote L from Death Note: "Even if you were Kira... I could still use your help and keep you close"

<333 WIN
But I want the bloc under new management. Namely, not esurio or Dekes. And new members. Namely, not esurio or Dekes. Mainly dekes.
Do we have an agreement?

At a dart tournament, will get to this tonight.

lies. We know you're on skype.

Why is everyone claiming so early?

lew's 1395 is love. But missing a ythan vote. or a dekes vote. or a pianist vote.

TOWN
Kdub
lewarcher
GW
bunny
thil
mb53

MEHHH
pniky
esurio
dana

SCUM
ythan
dekes
pianist

-GUESS WHO

[Ythan]

I can coast until my nk now right.

unvote vote danakillsu

[Ythan]

I don't care about the rest of your post

but what problem do you have with the little crumb and the reference to Exor in my PM?

[The Master Hand]

i find your crumb to be incredibly weak. sorry. its a common phrase.
also, my role pm alludes to no games my character was in. so yeah. stretching a bit, FMPOV.

-King of Crumbs

[Ythan]

Considering that my ability is specific to a single appearance I think it makes sense. It's called Come Back fwiw.

[Ythan]

If you think it was unreasonable of me to attack an uncountered cop claim, you must think it's just as odd what you're doing now.

[danakillsu]

What is this "evidence" you speak of, and how does it mean thil being scum?

It was the conversation about thil that had just happened and the items brought up in that conversation. I thought those arguing for thil being scum made more convincing arguments. That is not important to me anymore, because thil has proven himself somewhat, and I don't really want to lynch him right now. At any rate, it looks like I'm going to be mislynched at this point, and that's fine with me, really. I'm probably the best mislynch there is.

[esuriospiritus]

Posting now to remind myself to post when I'm not on the phone. <_<

[Kdub]

TMH:
Ythan is probably town. He's stubborn as ever, but he's playing similar to what I've seen in the past, and his Peach breadcrumb seems legit (I was in the game he was referring to with that crumb). Also, you explicitly said dana was a town read, then you put him on your "MEHHH" list. Why?

[esuriospiritus]

Alright, I'm off the phone.

TMH's reads so vehemently disagree with mine that it's rather mind boggling.

I'm town obvs.
Ythan is town. He was town before the claim, and he's town after the claim. He's just plain town.
Crazypianist's iso is meh, but I snooped on Crazypianist's games (check out his wiki) enough to know that he's pretty obvious when he's scum. He's probably town, though due to the inactivity this is a tentative read.
Dekes is town, as is Lewarcher due to :goodposting: + certain D1 events that I have alluded to before.
I have a leaning-town read on PatB.

So in short the only meh or scum read we

remotely

agree on is Dana. In addition, 4/6 people on your town list are either on my scum or my meh list.

I'm not really sure we're reading the same game, here. Or maybe you're just scum.

Can you elaborate on why these people:

GW
bunny
thil
mb53

Are on your town list? Without ten million quotes or a wall this time, please?

[lewarcher82]

oh god please TMH tell me that there was no breadcrumbs in your wall. Tell me I just imagined I saw one. I don't think I can take one more at this point.

[The Master Hand]

If you think it was unreasonable of me to attack an uncountered cop claim, you must think it's just as odd what you're doing now.

No, I'm just ignoring your claim for now. You thought thil was scum albeit the claim; same here. Doc claim does nothing for you IMO.

dana you're not the best mislynch, especially when we have three scumlynches dazzling before us. All we have to do is stretch out our arms and TAKE THEM.

I read the last 10 or so pages from the last time I posted and got scummy reads on dana, esurio, and pinky. A couple things they did ran me the wrong way. And I highly doubt that its going to be as easy as me reading once and catching the last three scum, as amazingly Cassandra it would be.

You're not obvtown esurio, so please.
Then let it boggle your mind. pianist is crazyscum. Dekes is not town.

Since you like defending people with meta, I'll give you some for mine:
GW - town via Resurgence Mafia
Bunny - town via Storm of Swords and SSBMafia
thil - town via cop claim and my overall read on him (aka, weaker player, newer player, using his cop claim to speak as he sees fit regardless)
mb53 - town via CYS (thought he was scum, wasn't.)

AMIDOINMETARITE?

oh god please TMH tell me that there was no breadcrumbs in your wall. Tell me I just imagined I saw one. I don't think I can take one more at this point.

>_>
<___<
>_____>
/Serial Breadcrumber

Oh hey, esurio. Guess what.
We're freaking MARIO.
Ythan, Dekes, and crazypianist are all scum. [/last three night actions]
OK OK. NOW START VOTING THEM.

Me softclaiming some sort of cop results here was for emphasis, lewarcher.
This is a pricky issue though. If we had anything important to say *coughthreeguilties* we'd let you know.

-THE SERIAL BAKER

[lewarcher82]

PV-EDIT: the "you" in this post is always TMH

that was not the breadcrumb I thought I had seen. I was thinking something more subtle, but thanks god it looks like I was wrong.

I see you almost asked me a question about why I vote thil... I think I have written a long post clearing what I thought Ythan would have claimed and why in that case his case on thil would have been compelling. Therefore no, I wasn't voting thil for who he investigated. But it sounded like an unlikely choice for a cop in that situation, so it ... in Italy we say "it added gasoline to the fire", if you get the metaphore.

Now, your wall had the power to confuse me. I am not willing to vote esurio. I think she is town. Whenever I forget why, I re-read day 1. Do the same. As for CP, it is a more subtle feeling, but I wouldn't really call him scummy at the moment. I don't see your case on pinky, but he used to be the weakest town read I had when the bloc was formed. Now he sounds townier as Dekes, who is the trickiest member of the bloc: I have played for a while in a game in which he was town, and he was way more active and aggressive than he is now. But really don't see a reason for voting him today. I will have to reconsider the bloc once again later in game, but another night will help us do it.

Dana's last posts I don't like better than his earlier activity. And the early VT claim and the "go on, lynch me, I mean it" card are like nails on the blackboard.

Ythan is somehow weird. I might have overestimated his being uncc'd... first, a real doc would prolly esitate in cc'ing, second other protective roles may be half-cc's who just don't want to risk claiming (say we have a watcher or a jailkeeper)... Moreover he did not provide any reason for his "trust me" stuff, even though he was repeatedly asked to. The way his content is anti-town, messy and sometimes scummy is not very different from the way the made-up cases dana is posting are scummy. In cleartext: I know I said that i tended to believe the claim, but I am not convinced anymore.

I now see three options:

1) lynching Ythan.
2) lynching dana.
3) pulling a shot in the dark and lynch one of your FoS's, hopping we will be lucky and hit a strong scum hidden in the bloc. Risky move.

I ask each member of the voting bloc to clearly state which option they'd prefer; as for TMH, I guess he would pick Ythan, but please answer as well.

For the time being, I don't want to put dana at L-1: if he were town ( ) a scumhammer would be easy and easily justifiable. Therefore I put my vote here:

vote: Ythan

putting him at L-6.

Delayed reactions will count as scummy attempts at slowing down the scumhunting process: we only have 5 days.

[The Master Hand]

@esurio: regarding our CP suspicions, part of the reason I suspect him is because his play is remarkably similar to his play in Candy Zoo Mafia (he was scum and I was town). So, if you are getting "not mafia" from meta, you may want to check that game out.
-Toast

[The Master Hand]

ah, missed the last part. Ythan is still favored.

[Ythan]

No, I'm just ignoring your claim for now. You thought thil was scum albeit the claim; same here. Doc claim does nothing for you IMO.

Yeah but that's what I thought, not what you thought. Which is what the post you quoted was about but I guess it wasn't clear enough.

[Bunnylover]

If you think it was unreasonable of me to attack an uncountered cop claim, you must think it's just as odd what you're doing now.

No actually its not.
Because you failed to get us to believe in your unsaid information, you had to think of something to claim to either:
1) Get a counterclaimed of a PR
2) Have people believe you
Obviously, none of us were believing you were a cop counterclaiming, so you wouldn't have claimed that. Doctor would either get someone to counter claim or you get off scotch free. Sadly it didn't work like that. Your information saying Thil = scum, was nothing more then WIFOM. I would risk losing you as a doctor even without a counterclaim.

Vote Ythan

[DemonHybrid]

Alright, I'm going to read this in an hour or so. Sorry about putting it off; long few days.

[Ythan]

Bunnylover are you voting me for a reason? I mean like, a justification. The reason is clear enough.

[danakillsu]

Ythan votes are not good. I'm serious here, this isn't a "card" and it never was. Lynch me over Ythan. I'd rather you have to reconsider your reads when I flip town than lynch a valuable member of the town and have nothing to go on. If you don't like the fact that I'm not giving you a ton more content, then too bad. I gave you my reads, and some reasons why, which is more than a lot of people do when they get lynched. Now obviously some Kdub votes would be appreciated, but it looks like I'm going to be ignored on that count, which is why I said in the first place that it looks like I'm going to be lynched.

[Kdub]

Oddly enough, I agree with dana. Ythan is probably town. Lynching him over dana would be a mistake.

I don't know exactly what to make of dana's "lynch me today" play, but it looks more like a gambit than anything. I don't think town would give up so easily. I'll have to take a look at some past games of his to see if he's taken this defeatist attitude before as town when he's about to be lynched. dana, if you have past games of yours that you want to link to, feel free to help yourself out.

[thil13]

Yeah but that's what I thought, not what you thought. Which is what the post you quoted was about but I guess it wasn't clear enough.

I expect you to know the consequences of playing a deplorably scummy game.

However, I don't think Ythan would be the best lynch, sure he dies, but if he really is the doctor, that leaves me out in the firing line. I'm not entirely convinced that Ythan is scum, just completely arrogant.

[lewarcher82]

@Ythan: ok, a suggestion. Sit in front of a mirror, repeat 50 times the sentence "you were an idiot", then come back and tell me: do you still want to lynch thil?

@the_alleged_voting_bloc: we have 4 days. Please come here, react to TMH's post. React to my post.

[danakillsu]

I don't know exactly what to make of dana's "lynch me today" play, but it looks more like a gambit than anything. I don't think town would give up so easily. I'll have to take a look at some past games of his to see if he's taken this defeatist attitude before as town when he's about to be lynched. dana, if you have past games of yours that you want to link to, feel free to help yourself out.

You really are ignoring everything I've said, aren't you? THIS ISN'T A DEFEATIST ATTITUDE, NOR IS IT TOWN GIVING UP EASILY. I have looked at the way the game is going, and with this day having gone on for quite a while already, the only wagons picking up any kind of steam are mine and Ythan's. I WANT people to lynch me over Ythan. It's not even remotely like "I don't want you to lynch me, but you're going to apparently, so I'll just give up". That's why you won't find any past evidence of me doing that, which I bet you figured on anyway.