A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[lord_hur]

Holy... I was not accusing you, I was asking questions to make sense of one incredibly imprecise statement! You're voting people for asking questions now?

And you didn't answer my perfectly logical and sensible question, so I will reiterate : if it is not that my intent didn't match my words (which, by the way, was the most logical interpretation of your accusation, especially because of alternatives not making any sense to me, see below), what makes you say it is more likely to be made by scum? Because :

(ie. you were frustrated at being caught as scum, but you felt that the reason that you were caught as scum is completely ridiculous).

I am (utterly) frustrated, as town, for being voted for completely ridiculous reasons. You will have to explain me the very, very subtle difference...

[jilynne1991]

Sorry, right now I'm super confused, but none of your previous post was directed at me, right?

[jilynne1991]

Also, do you really need to cuss? I don't think you can achieve anything by cussing that you can't achieve but speaking with more class and using normal words. Sorry, you're cussing kind of bothers me, especially since this is just a game. Go have a coffee or something and take a break.

[lord_hur]

1) I have no knowledge of meta and feel that it is an inadequate argument to lie on it solely. Scum who knows their town meta are going to try to make it identical. I similarly have a habit of getting into a "survival" mentality when town, but its not enough to base a town read on me.

You left out the most important question : what would be my scummy intent?

You don't want to die, lol. Its not a valid defense.

Town also don't want to die. You still fail at saying what in my behavior makes me more likely to be scum.

- My scumhunting isn't strong enough? God, I feel like I'm doing the only scumhunting that is not completely focused on me! No one but me even tries to find an alternate wagon!

what's your case on imaginality? 509 (you find his hopping sketch but say its no reason to vote him), 524 (I interpret this as a null read; also, the day went on for sufficient time), 540(1 scum game is not meta)

We'll see about this when he flips, I guess. Which is at the end of the game, since you all let him get away with the most ridiculous things.

This is what it looks like when reading your slot today. "Hoppster is scum. Wait, ppl don't like me, I'm gonna be nice and gentlemanly when responding to inHim, but AV's giant post attack deserves RAGE. DEFEND. DEFEND. USUK. Oh, btw, I don't like imaginality."

And? Except your out-of-line remark about inHimshallibe (which isn't based on anything), there is nothing town wouldn't do, or that scum are more likely to do.

Many games that I've been L-1 are not completed, but there is Cowboy Bebop

You claimed your name, but resisted claiming your role, and was bitter when you did it. Thus, you know that early claiming is bad. Thus, you are scummy for asking it.

[lord_hur]

Also, do you really need to cuss? I don't think you can achieve anything by cussing that you can't achieve but speaking with more class and using normal words. Sorry, you're cussing kind of bothers me, especially since this is just a game. Go have a coffee or something and take a break.

Sorry about the (very light) cussing.

No, none was directed at you. I have not much to say, really, I also thought that gut reading could be a valid voting method when I started.

Advice time : it really, really is not, for one reason : gut reading is completely anti-town. Since it is unverifiable (we're not mind readers), it lets scum "blur into the background". Picture this : if everyone just said "he's scum, just because I feel it", we'd have absolutely no way to determine which vote is sincere, and which is not. Lynching would be random, and town would always lose. Thus, you should never, ever use gut reading unbacked-up with reasoning. Maybe it makes you feel good, but all town suffers from it.

[jilynne1991]

Thanks, tomorrow, when I don't feel like I'm going to fall asleep on the computer, I'll point out exactly which posts made me feel like you're anti-town. Now, it's not so much for me that it's a gut feeling, it's more, the "I'm too lazy to do it" feeling for me.

I do rely on gut feeling alot though, but it's always one post that really hits a nerve, so I'll start posting and analyzing and explaining all of it. (Since I still haven't figured out how to quote multiple posts without saving a draft 50x, copying, and pasting, expect quite a few posts from me tomorrow.

[lord_hur]

Thanks, tomorrow, when I don't feel like I'm going to fall asleep on the computer, I'll point out exactly which posts made me feel like you're anti-town. Now, it's not so much for me that it's a gut feeling, it's more, the "I'm too lazy to do it" feeling for me.

Good. I am looking forward to your first case.

[AurorusVox]

[/OOC whilst I catch up]

AV: Who do you think lord_hur is scum with? You were tunneling a bit.

At the moment, I'm not sure, because of the amount of lurking going on has meant a lot of players are floating at null, or they're individually scummy for active lurking without allowing us to draw connections. I acknowledge that I've been tunnelling and will do a proper read-through-since-I-replaced-in and/or a string of ISOs when I get the chance. I remember imaginality did something naughty earlier (dodged questions as far as I can remember), and thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if lord_hur voted him for distancing (especially when he sounds so sure that I'm scum but won't vote for me - what other purpose could his imaginality vote serve?) That's where I'll be focussing first.

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Sorry. The one vote I like the *least* is AurorusVox's. I don't like gut votes, as there is no way to determine is they are genuine or not, so they are utterly anti-town. And on top of that, he brought it up well after his vote. So basically, i can picture it being : "oh well, I have no reason to vote for this guy except that he's being attacked by everyone, so I'll just latch at him with walls of doom until he gives in. Damn, he's resisting, I need to find something else. Hmm, he brought up my history of town voting... *browses* yeah I remember, I let that guy off the hook because my reasoning sucked, but I was right at first! Hey, I can use gut voting as an excuse, it makes total sense given my history, and you can't unprove it anyway!".

Excuse me, but I've been making cases on you along with my vote. The ONLY person who was "attacking" you at the time I voted was Hoppster. This is

extreme

misrep - how can my vote be "gut" but also a "wall"? Are you honestly saying all I said in those walls was "Yeah, it's gut"? Really? You're saying those entire "Walls of Doom" contained zero reasons? By jove, you've basically nailed your own coffin shut.

Where have I said I need to find anything else to justify my vote? My vote was justified before you misrepped my voting history. And my reasoning never sucked when I voted scum (how could it?) - I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

Town (at least, as I play as town) would have thought they have not enough against me, and, at least, looked for an alternative wagon. Only scum would stick to a very promising wagon with teeth and claws, changing completely their voting reason on the way (especially for something as despisable as gut voting), and tunnelling as if there was no other player.

Why would I go to an alternative wagon when you're scum? "AV can only be town if he changes his vote" - uh, nthx. And what? Where have I changed my voting reason? Show me?

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As much as I agree with what you're saying, the tone of this post is reading to me as scum who feels he has been caught out for a completely wrong reason.

^QFT.

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Just out of curiosity, why don't we lynch vezok? He seems to not help much even if he is town, and if he's scum, yay!

This has already been addressed by others explaining why its a bad idea. But.
Do you think vezok is likely to be scum? Do you think he helps more or less than Cookiebringer?

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No, that was L-1. Next vote would be the hammer, so don't. I have a town read on Lord Hur, and I really don't want to lynch one of our few members who actively contributes.

I don't like the second part of your reasoning. Why should we

focus

on lynching people who contribute less? Is lurking a scumtell for you, or is it null? If you think we're engaged in TvT, do you think that lord_hur isn't misrepping me in places? Because I sure do, and that's a sure marker of scum in my opinion.

Also; "so don't" rubs me up the wrong way. Why is your town read worth more than five peoples' scumreads?

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I'm going to have less time to get on over the next few weeks so don't expect me to have the same level of activity. I'll manage to post at least once a day, but I've neglected my studies whilst I was away and I need to catch up there too >_>"

[lord_hur]

Excuse me, but I've been making cases on you along with my vote. The ONLY person who was "attacking" you at the time I voted was Hoppster. This is

extreme

misrep - how can my vote be "gut" but also a "wall"? Are you honestly saying all I said in those walls was "Yeah, it's gut"? Really? You're saying those entire "Walls of Doom" contained zero reasons? By jove, you've basically nailed your own coffin shut.

Exactly. Zero reasons. I affirm every reason you gave was crap, and I never lie as town.

And I said gut, because you said you would lynch me no matter what. It is illogical, so it is gut (or scummy intent, but it's hard to tell one from the other).

Where have I said I need to find anything else to justify my vote? My vote was justified before you misrepped my voting history. And my reasoning never sucked when I voted scum (how could it?) - I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

Tunnelling is anti-town. Period. Good town always look for alternatives, because they know that they can be wrong. Saying you're sure that someone is scum is immensely presomptuous. I myself typically vote for 2 or 3 persons before I commit to a lynch (mainly because I'm always very active, so I analyze and vote fast).

[vezokpiraka]

Excuse me, but I've been making cases on you along with my vote. The ONLY person who was "attacking" you at the time I voted was Hoppster. This is

extreme

misrep - how can my vote be "gut" but also a "wall"? Are you honestly saying all I said in those walls was "Yeah, it's gut"? Really? You're saying those entire "Walls of Doom" contained zero reasons? By jove, you've basically nailed your own coffin shut.

Exactly. Zero reasons. I affirm every reason you gave was crap, and I never lie as town.

And I said gut, because you said you would lynch me no matter what. It is illogical, so it is gut (or scummy intent, but it's hard to tell one from the other).

Where have I said I need to find anything else to justify my vote? My vote was justified before you misrepped my voting history. And my reasoning never sucked when I voted scum (how could it?) - I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

Tunnelling is anti-town. Period. Good town always look for alternatives, because they know that they can be wrong. Saying you're sure that someone is scum is immensely presomptuous. I myself typically vote for 2 or 3 persons before I commit to a lynch (mainly because I'm always very active, so I analyze and vote fast).

This post. And the one you talked about gut feelings are scummy.

In this post you say that tunneling is anti-town. Maybe. But people use. And it's effective in catching scum like you. You are under pressure and your problem is that you can't escape that pressure.
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The post where you said gut feelings are bad is bad. Town will always use gut feelings. When you try to find scum you'll always have some gut feelings from people. If you're scum and people post gut feelings it's bad because you have no case on them.

[AurorusVox]

Exactly. Zero reasons. I affirm every reason you gave was crap, and I never lie as town.

I offered PLENTY of reasons...

And I said gut, because you said you would lynch me no matter what. It is illogical, so it is gut (or scummy intent, but it's hard to tell one from the other).

...therefore it's not gut.

It's like me turning around now and saying "lord_hur, your entire case is gut and thus not valid". That's not how this works.

ALSO, I'd like to point out. You say you're 70% sure I'm scum...but you can't tell if it's gut or scummy intent? Ha, yeah, okay scum.

I also never said I'd lynch you no matter what. Keep misrepping.

Where have I said I need to find anything else to justify my vote? My vote was justified before you misrepped my voting history. And my reasoning never sucked when I voted scum (how could it?) - I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

Tunnelling is anti-town. Period. Good town always look for alternatives, because they know that they can be wrong. Saying you're sure that someone is scum is immensely presomptuous. I myself typically vote for 2 or 3 persons before I commit to a lynch (mainly because I'm always very active, so I analyze and vote fast).

Nice dodge scum. I asked you where I said I needed extra reasons. I also asked you and notice you didn't reply where I said my reasons for finding you scummy had changed.

I'm 99% sure you're scum. How's that?

[Hoppster]

Holy... I was not accusing you, I was asking questions to make sense of one incredibly imprecise statement! You're voting people for asking questions now?

Here's what you said earlier:

Oh yes, and what is that right reason then? And what makes you feel it is not genuine?

This is a

CLEAR

implication that I do not find your reaction genuine. I said no such thing.

It is a genuine reaction from scum who feels he has been caught for a terrible reason. I know the feeling, and it's a bloody awful one, paticularly when the reason is incredibly illogical.

You are further misrepresenting me by saying that I am voting because you asked a question. I never mentioned or implied anything of the sort.

And you didn't answer my perfectly logical and sensible question, so I will reiterate : if it is not that my intent didn't match my words (which, by the way, was the most logical interpretation of your accusation, especially because of alternatives not making any sense to me, see below), what makes you say it is more likely to be made by scum? Because :

(ie. you were frustrated at being caught as scum, but you felt that the reason that you were caught as scum is completely ridiculous).

I am (utterly) frustrated, as town, for being voted for completely ridiculous reasons. You will have to explain me the very, very subtle difference...

It's got nothing to do with intent. It's the tone and general feel to the post.

1. Town who genuinely feels they are being accused for ridiculous reasons
2. Scum who genuinely feels they are being accused for ridiculous reasons

They are not the same. They will, most of the time, react differently.

It's difficult to describe, because it's all to do with the way you're saying things, and when I try to type it out I look like an utter idiot. However, in my head, it makes sense. I suppose it's elaborate gut.


However, your whining "OH BUT I WASN'T ACCUSING YOU I WAS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" response makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside about my vote. You quite clearly were not just asking questions, and your charade at playing the naive child feels very feigned.

[inHimshallibe]

@inhim: could you explain your vote on Reya in more depth? Is this entirely based on lurking?

No, not entirely, but a fair deal of it is centered around Sir Cookiebringer's lack of participation and generally unhelpful content when poking in to see to affairs.

Still reviewing.

[Wraith]

I'll be prodding Reya tomorrow. If she doesn't respond to that by Thursday, she'll be replaced. It will be her last prod before being force-replaced.

[jilynne1991]

I'm on my phone, so sorry, but I'm not in the mood to write up a case, though I do want to respond to some other peoples.

You're calling AV scum, yet everything he says seems to be true. Please find one way he lied and then prove it.

I'm not sure if vezok is scum or not. He confuses me and there's not enough content for me to get a decent read. I think he might be leaning scum a bit, especially since he actually wrote a few lines in his last post and they kind of made sense.

I think vezok is more helpful than reya cookiebringer, because like I said, he actually did write a little bit of content. Reya has given me nothing to work with.

Lord_hur, you seem like you're struggling to dig yourself out of a hole. Sorry, I know it seems like I'm saying things about you with no evidence, but yea, I'll write up a case later. I'm just going to say that for now, you're lying, and you seem way too...worried in a way. Sorry, I know this means nearly nothing, but I'm really not in the mood to type up a case at the moment.

[lord_hur]

@Hoppster. What a steaming pile of shit. Okay, let's dig :

Holy... I was not accusing you, I was asking questions to make sense of one incredibly imprecise statement! You're voting people for asking questions now?

Here's what you said earlier:

Oh yes, and what is that right reason then? And what makes you feel it is not genuine?

This is a

CLEAR

implication that I do not find your reaction genuine. I said no such thing.

It is a genuine reaction from scum who feels he has been caught for a terrible reason. I know the feeling, and it's a bloody awful one, paticularly when the reason is incredibly illogical.

You are further misrepresenting me by saying that I am voting because you asked a question. I never mentioned or implied anything of the sort.

1. You're reapeating yourself, and not trying to explain or answer me in any way.
2. Again your misrepresentation crap, just like with Twistedspoon. You never learn, do you :

Oh yes, and what is that right reason then? And what makes you feel it is not genuine?

This is what you voted me for, and this is a question.

They are not the same. They will, most of the time, react differently.

It's difficult to describe, because it's all to do with the way you're saying things, and when I try to type it out I look like an utter idiot. However, in my head, it makes sense. I suppose it's elaborate gut.

I have never had a hard time describing something like this. Town would have said this, but you said that.
And it is basic, despisable gut. Of course, it thus deprive me of any chance to defend myself.

However, your whining "OH BUT I WASN'T ACCUSING YOU I WAS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" response makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside about my vote. You quite clearly were not just asking questions, and your charade at playing the naive child feels very feigned.

I was asking questions, and just this. Your attack was unmotivated, and I wanted to know what it was exactly. There is no way anyone sane could read it differently.
There was also frustration, but just like in all my posts in the last week of this joke of a game.

[lord_hur]

Exactly. Zero reasons. I affirm every reason you gave was crap, and I never lie as town.

I offered PLENTY of reasons...

Whatever. I just said this to clarify my stance about you when I flip town.

I also never said I'd lynch you no matter what. Keep misrepping.

Yes you did :

I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

You do say there that you will not change your vote for whatever argument you may find in my favor.

Nice dodge scum. I asked you where I said I needed extra reasons. I also asked you and notice you didn't reply where I said my reasons for finding you scummy had changed.

I explained what I think your reasoning was, so no more explanation was needed.

[lord_hur]

You're calling AV scum, yet everything he says seems to be true. Please find one way he lied and then prove it.

I just did. There were more examples earlier, in those shitwalls from him, too.

I'm just going to say that for now, you're lying, and you seem way too...worried in a way. Sorry, I know this means nearly nothing, but I'm really not in the mood to type up a case at the moment.

I'm not worried, I don't much care about this game anymore actually. I just stick around and dodge flying shit because it is my duty to do so. If the word you were looking for is frustrated, then I am very much.
And about the lying, well, you'll have to point me where it would be.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, seriously expect around 10 posts from me tomorrow, it's my bedtime right now. So I have to go to sleep, but you seem way too emotional about just a GAME, so that makes me think you scum. A townie might not care that much.

[lord_hur]

Ok, seriously expect around 10 posts from me tomorrow, it's my bedtime right now. So I have to go to sleep, but you seem way too emotional about just a GAME, so that makes me think you scum. A townie might not care that much.

I can't understand why scum would care more. Good night.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Jilynne, the point you are trying to elucidate is not too far off the mark, though still a tinge misguided. As it were, the Rogues and Rapscallions would very much care about being lynched or not, as there are fewer of them than Gentlemen in our midst. As such, a loss of one of them is a much severer blow to their organization. However, impassioned Gentlemen must also care about not being a mislynch, as it is important to be counted as an Upstanding Citizen which makes it easier to root out those Lower Individuals.

[lord_hur]

Sir Jilynne, the point you are trying to elucidate is not too far off the mark, though still a tinge misguided. As it were, the Rogues and Rapscallions would very much care about being lynched or not, as there are fewer of them than Gentlemen in our midst. As such, a loss of one of them is a much severer blow to their organization. However, impassioned Gentlemen must also care about not being a mislynch, as it is important to be counted as an Upstanding Citizen which makes it easier to root out those Lower Individuals.

This is accurate. Scum care more about staying alive, not about winning the game in general.

Actually, if you must know, this will be my very first time getting lynched as town, and seeing it happen on reasons so ridiculous without anyone roughing up my attackers makes me emotional and bitter. Getting lynched as town means I have failed, except that I do not feel I failed in this game.

[lord_hur]

I indeed live in Finland. I wonder what you mean by meta in this instance? There was a time once when I used my location as part of my defense, when I decided to go to sleep instead of doing yet another ISO read, but that was the only time I remember mentioning my location in a game. Not that this matters, just curious.

Sorry, I missed this. I metaed you about the frequency of your votes (and what you said is true, you do vote rarely both as town and scum). During it, I saw, at the end of one game, that you said you were wrongly attacked for inactivity while it was 6 AM in your country, Finland.

[AurorusVox]

Whatever. I just said this to clarify my stance about you when I flip town.

What ho? So, they possess the attributes of reasons now, but won't have that formality at a later date?

I also never said I'd lynch you no matter what. Keep misrepping.

Yes you did :

I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

You do say there that you will not change your vote for whatever argument you may find in my favor.

No, not in the slightest, sir.
I'm saying forthwith that I'm not letting you wriggle free. If there was a decent argument for not running you up the proverbial, then I would not submit a ballot in favour of that action. I am saying that it will take a strong, solid argument to change my mind; and I have not yet seen such.

Nice dodge scum. I asked you where I said I needed extra reasons. I also asked you and notice you didn't reply where I said my reasons for finding you scummy had changed.

I explained what I think your reasoning was, so no more explanation was needed.

You have failed to supply the required information because it does not exist.

I notice that lord_hur professes that he "does not care," but also conveys to us that he cares enough to be "bitter" that he's getting lynched "as town".

lord_hur, if you never get lynched as a true gentleman, why do you think that it is, that you are close to a lynch right now? Your entire carriage cannot be solely comprised of dastardly rapscallions.

[Feysal]

I don't like the second part of your reasoning. Why should we

focus

on lynching people who contribute less? Is lurking a scumtell for you, or is it null?

Definitely a scumtell. I've been part of enough many towns that lost because of infighting to say this. One good example is Cold War Mafia which just ended, where both scum teams spent day one lurking, while the town was tearing its own guts. I also know that I tend to lurk myself as scum, since I can't seem to summon the same enthusiasm as when I'm town.

Of course this is but a general rule, and does not take individual playstyle into account. Someone like Lowell tends to be more active as scum and lurk as town, which is a detail about him I will commit to memory in case I ever play against him again.

Also, on the site I moved here from, there is an epidemic of suspecting and lynching active players, and I'm seeing the same symptoms here. Active players such as Lord Hur tend to stand out, especially if they have controversial ideas or suspects, and may end up being wrongly suspected simply because of it. Add confirmation bias and plain stubbornness, and you have the makings of a mislynch. By that point all you need is some lazy townies or scum to vote with the majority.

If you think we're engaged in TvT, do you think that lord_hur isn't misrepping me in places? Because I sure do, and that's a sure marker of scum in my opinion.

I was frankly uncertain what these misrep allegations were about, so I searched your posts for the term. I found three cases:

1. The first case was in post #497. I think this was a misunderstanding more than anything else, I don't think that Lord Hur intended to suggest that you would've demanded him to question everything and everyone. I read it so that he did not see motivation for Hoppster, should he be mafia, to lie about whether he had laid a snare for Twistedspoon, so he did not question his explanation. You disagree and say motivation existed, and that Lord Hur should not have believed him so readily. Fair enough, you can suspect him if you think his trust implied knowledge of Hoppster's alignment, but I don't think this was a misrep.

2. There were two further mentions of misrepping in #657. First was Lord Hur calling your vote a gut vote, and you obviously disagree. The way I read it was that Lord Hur called it a gut vote at the time it was made, and the walls came later. Still, I have to grant you that you did give some reasons for your vote in the same post you voted, so perhaps this one is a mild misrep, though I don't think it is nearly so extreme.

The other one is about your voting history. Lord Hur sought your games where you'd used walls, and looked at your voting history too in those games. He did list more of your games as mafia than as town, but he also said the difference was marginal, and thus did not try to draw conclusions from that data. That is how I saw it anyway. He demonstrated that you used walls both as town and as mafia, making the whole argument null. As for your voting history, I'm not even seeing the point of arguing about that. No matter how good you had been at voting mafia in the past, your voting record is pretty much irrelevant in the here and now. Your past performance is not a reliable indicator either way on whether you've caught mafia now.

3. There was a third case where you mentioned misrepping after you asked the question, in post #660. This one was about you lynching him no matter what, and frankly, if you say you're persistently tunnelling him that is not so far from the truth. Deadline is in six days, and apart from Lord Hur, we seem to have no potential lynches to speak of.

Perhaps I should try to remedy that:

Vote: imaginality

I just read through his posts, and there is not all that much there. He agreed with the vezokpiraka policy lynch, made the case on kr0b (incidentally, this means that it is very unlikely for both him and kr0b/ToastyToast to be mafia), defended Twistedspoon with meta, but ended the day by sealing his execution. It is this last action that seems most peculiar, and today he has been mostly inactive. His V/LA ended two days ago, and he has not been seen since.

Also; "so don't" rubs me up the wrong way. Why is your town read worth more than five peoples' scumreads?

It's mine. The five other people can be wrong, or they can be scum. What would be the point of having town reads if I just let them be lynched without comment? I could be wrong myself of course, but that is no reason to blindly follow the majority. Maybe at deadline if there was no better choice, but we're not there yet.

Sorry, I missed this. I metaed you about the frequency of your votes (and what you said is true, you do vote rarely both as town and scum). During it, I saw, at the end of one game, that you said you were wrongly attacked for inactivity while it was 6 AM in your country, Finland.

Then it was the very game I remembered, Stars Aligned III. Of course I was a cultist, but I still thought the attack made no sense. Nowadays it does not even apply anymore, my sleep rhythm has been so haywire that me being awake late at night has been rather the norm than the exception.