Into Africa - Over

[Cirno]

>Opinions on populartajo
Null read on him. His Hezlucky vote seems weak.
>Opinions on the game
The players in this game seem intent on stretching everything they possibly can. I don't think any of the current cases being pushed are worth a vote.

[Llamarble]

Oh and at sheepaccusers:
I pondered Snarky because I respect Fate & Elli a lot and found I agreed with them.

[Ellibereth]

oh damn it.
Jyl's early role pm shenanigan posts don't look like they're coming from scum gaaaaah.

[Ellibereth]

bleh I need to review the thread.
Someone link me to one post with silacase or something with silascumz please? I saw stuff with wrong reasons or 5 scumteam overreact or something but none of those really rang.

[inHimshallibe]

oh damn it.
Jyl's early role pm shenanigan posts don't look like they're coming from scum gaaaaah.

I see this now. You're thinking if scum this woulda been done privately?

[populartajo]

Also, tajo, you're not making much sense. Is it really an "easy target" if someone you think is Town is pushing the wagon? Why not convince Elli otherwise, be more concerned about his vote being on an easy target?

i assumed this was some sort of elliplanz until elli's last post, since i really dont see scum doing that kind of shenaningans on page 1.

it seems elli has realized that, though.

anyways, jil being an easy target doesnt mean all these three votes are from scum. Since I think elli and jyl are town, this means all posterior votes with shitty reasoning are potentially from scum players. While I think I can buy yours, I really really want vezok explanation for that quick vote.

[populartajo]

Checking in. Anything to add? Nope.

TOP THREE SCUMREADS IN FOLLOWING POST, NAO

If I thought there was someone scummy enough to point out, I would. I'm not going to bother posting my reads every few posts. Off the top of my head, I dislike Amrun and don't buy any of elvis' attacks against FA. If you want to know my opinion on some specific thing, just ask.

I will say that I think silavor is town, however.

is elvis the only one attacking FA?

[Ellibereth]

I really want an excuse to think jyl is scum. If someone can convince me the early iso posts aren't town I'd be very grateful...

PRE:EDIT:
ACTUALLY, WAIT. I FOUND MY OWN EXCUSE.
Inhim, my original thought was that mod wouldn't forget scum pm. >.<. I mean, they wouldn't know role so privately or publicly is a player thing. But yeah, modwifomblahblahscrew it.
ANYWAY, MY EXCUSE: 30 minute time gap between getting pm and RV. Reading Scum qt and other scum stuff.

SELFEDIT: Nevermind...posting history shows she was elsewhere...she's still probtown then.

INHIM. WHAT DID YOU SEE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS SEEING.

[Ellibereth]

HEZLUCKY.
I know you think I'm anti-town and liar crazy. But can you address this please???

As for noting, your attempt to drive a day one mislynch via a "slip" is noted.

Me no likey this sentence.
Hardly driving.
Or attempting.
Or lynching.

Of course you don't. You're voting for me.

actually.
( and I'm not voting you now.)
How as ckd doing any of those things.

[ZeL1nK]

Someone link me to one post with silacase or something with silascumz please?

My ISO#30 is why I'm voting him. Summary: Haven't seen any real scum hunting from him, no real contributions or content, he just looks like he's coasting scum.

[Ellibereth]

Waitwait.
If Jyl didn't know her alignment then all the shenanigan posts are void rite. So she's stills scum?
I need to stop with this.

[populartajo]

Did everyone get a role pm? Since, I didn't...but I got the message that said day 1 begins.

LOL...I was just going to vote myself...until I realized I was myself.

Ok, I got my role pm, thanks!

I really dont see scum doing this on page 1.

[Ellibereth]

She didn't know she was scum for the first two?

[populartajo]

that changes things quite a bit

[populartajo]

modwifom and shit, but wouldnt llama have made sure at least all scum PMs would get to their correct destinatary?

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry if this is a wall of words…still trying to only check this once a day.

ckd: I skimmed them, yes, but my read has since changed.

noted (reference for later, this is in reference to earworm and Amrun's stance on him). Some posts later vote FA…still think this is a bad wagon.

It really isn't a big issue, to me. And in fact, I forgot to unvote you.

UNVOTE: ZeL1nk

VOTE: Flavour Analysis

And now you're backtracking... Weird, for in your post 6 you said "Fuck momentum, I'm voting scum", thus you must have had strong reasons to beleive he was scum, but now it isn't a big issue anymore

I am agreeing with this...interested to see if this conversation thread develops. (EDIT amrun answers in 348)

@amrun, what are the “ton of scummy things” that FA has done? Earworm has only done 1, okay…question, did the fact that FA has literally posted 6X more than earworm come into play in your mind when making this vote? Not sure I have a problem with your vote here yet, but would like to see where it is coming from. Also I really don’t feel like snarky is rolefishing…I don’t like how you are counter attacking his questions with that label.

I can't take it. I can't.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

okay, now you are hitting my scumdar....why this vote?
Why was DK post MORE scummy than your previous vote on FA?

Oh good Hez replies.

CKD, one more time: (and this is it -- if you don't have any NEW questions after this response too bad)

Scum response to being daykilled before he flips: aw shucks guys I was a vanilla townie gl.
Town response to being daykilled before he flips: WAHT THE #$%#$? #$%#$%#$ IDIOTS ALL BURN IN HELL.

That is your reasoning for the vote?!? You never saw vindictive town give the old “fuck you” when they get mad for being killed? I don’t believe this for a minute. What does scum have to gain that a townie doesn’t? This is just horrible reasoning, I don’t think you really believe it.

You think I am scum now???!? Since when? What have I done that you deem scummy?

You're asking unnecessary questions (I'm just waiting for you to "catch me in a slipup" like you claimed before) and distracting me
from scumhunting (in fact, your consistent asking of pointless questions that have already been answered is distracting from the case at hand).

LOL, yep…you are scum…now, you are attacking me FOR YOUR LACK OF SCUM HUNTING?!?!?! I thought you did slip..but when I reread a couple of time I immediately unvoted(like minutes later)…how scummy of you to completely overlook that.

VOTE HEZLUCKY

he is scummy too??!? how? how is his play anti-town?..also I note he asked you questions that you ALSO did not answer.

How is his play not anti-town? He's claiming all over the place and pretending to be roles that he isn't (or he might be, who cares). In my day (2005-2006), we had something called lynch all liars. It's a good meta, and it's sad that it's gone away from the site now.

Let me ask you this….you think FA’s action was scummy…HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU HAVE FOUND THIS OUT IF IT WASN’T FOR HIS FAKEVIG KILL? so which is it...is his actions scummy for fake claiming, or is he townie for helping you "catch scum".....AND WAY TO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS AGAIN.

Please sweet god can we lynch this scum bag now?

Going to end this part of the post…I don’t want any of the above to be lost.

Rest of the read coming up.

[Llamarble]

I am up to date on happenings now. I will get up to date on who is scum tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay finishing up.

Ok, I understand Fate's reasoning now. As much as I despise him, he's a useful townie. Gosh, I'd love a reason to get rid of you.

Meow?

who are you? why do I have no opinion of you?

Cirno is scum.
VOTE: Cirno

Ooh okay Snarky is scum too and can die first.

UNVOTE: Cirno
VOTE: Snarky

... Yikes.
I have 2 games deadlining in the next day or 2 and will read this after dealing with them.

Okay, other games are twilight or nighttime. Here goes.

Got distracted. Will read more tomorrow. Promise. Goodnight.

Ok, I understand Fate's reasoning now. As much as I despise him, he's a useful townie. Gosh, I'd love a reason to get rid of you.

Meow?

Oh yeah, because the above is LITERALLY your iso at this point. How did that read go?...top 3 scum suspects and why please.

So at this point, I have decided that we need a silavor wagon.

For anyone who missed this, consider it your invitation to join the party.

I agree with your stated reasoning (not so muh about the earworm part), but what I am most interested in is his flailscum reaction.

Caught for the wrong reasons temper tantrum? What will more votes bring?

VOTE: Silavor

I dont think I have liked ANY of your votes thus far...

[curiouskarmadog]

LOL, xpost

I am up to date on happenings now. I will get up to date on who is scum tonight.

dont lie me to now...your next post, I want to see this info!

[inHimshallibe]

I really want an excuse to think jyl is scum. If someone can convince me the early iso posts aren't town I'd be very grateful...

PRE:EDIT:
ACTUALLY, WAIT. I FOUND MY OWN EXCUSE.
Inhim, my original thought was that mod wouldn't forget scum pm. >.<.

I mean, they wouldn't know role so privately or publicly is a player thing.

But yeah, modwifomblahblahscrew it.
ANYWAY, MY EXCUSE: 30 minute time gap between getting pm and RV. Reading Scum qt and other scum stuff.

SELFEDIT: Nevermind...posting history shows she was elsewhere...she's still probtown then.

INHIM. WHAT DID YOU SEE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS SEEING.

ollz this was silly of me.


I see a dearth of what I've seen elsewhere. May be the strain of number of games. It seemed good in the moment, still doesn't seem bad.

[elvis_knits]

Scummy things that happened:

Silavor didn't defend his earworm vote; never explained what he agrees with on other people's cases
Cirno is asked for top three scum picks and responds by saying he dislikes me and amrun's FA cases = not an answer to the question

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On the topic of jil:

I am now understanding more why people find her scummy. Elli's reason did seem somewhat reasonable.

The whole "I didn't get my role pm" thing:

WIFOM. SO I was trying not to dwell on it. I would expect that llama sent out roles correctly. We had a pretty long pregame too, so it seems strange that jil wouldn't notice she didn't get a role pm. But it seems she is VI (confirmation anybody?), which makes this more believable. If she legitimately didn't get her role PM, it means nothing about her allignment unless you think her scumbuddies would have contacted her and alerted her. If it's a fake, she's scum. However, I really don't know how we can know for sure. I think it's WIFOM, and I tend ot think she is VI who didn't notice her role PM - meaning she can be either scum or town and we just have to look at her to find out.

So I guess I'm still suspending judgement and want to hear her suspicions on the game before deciding. And like... she better post something meaty soon or else there will be trouble.

[jilynne1991]

oh damn it.
Jyl's early role pm shenanigan posts don't look like they're coming from scum gaaaaah.

Thanks, so you really wanted me to be scum so you could get my lynched right? *scumtell* Trying to get a mislynch, huh?

[elvis_knits]

JIL - GIVE US YOUR TOP SUSPECTS FOR SCUM, NOW PLEASE!

Even better, do a rundown of every player, giving a sentence about your feeling on them.

[Altilysian]

Altilysian, Flavour Analysis, silavor, Lowell, what is the case against earworm?

I think EK summarized it very well.

The earworm problem generally seems to be this:
People say that earworm was coaching FA by pointing out the loldayvig was fake.
earworm is following ellifate
earworm says snarky was rolefishing, people don't see it

I've been brewing over this matter and upon rereading, it's not as bad as I initially saw it.
Personally, my big issue was with the second reason. I really did not like post 72, where he just went with the flow and accepted Elli's wagon. He later says

The wagoning is slightly correct, though I did provide a seperate case.

And I'm trying to provide content for people to read me by.

Can't do anything about those vibes though.

As FA pointed out, it's contradictory that he wants to provide content for people to read him by, yet shamelessly sheeped Elli. I also found the content he gave in a separate case against FA totally unconvincing and fabricated; it was the one about how FA waited too long to claim and stretched it over several posts.

However, post 72 was all the way back on page 3 and a lot has happened since then. HezLucky's looking real scummy for his reactions to pressure from CKD.

Unvote

Vote: HezLucky

[Amrun]

Ckd -

I believe I have talked about several different things that fa has done that I take issue with. I could go through pbp, but I won't because I don't feel good and I've been dizzy for a couple of hours and idk why. I did not take into account post volume but I feel it's irrelevant anyway.

My vote on DK was not because DK is scummy. DK is probably town. He just ruins every game he's in and he's definitely for sure unsafe to take to lylo. I voted for him in a fit of rage. If there is no vig, we should prbably PL him tomorrow.

Don't care if you dislike my silavor vote; I like it.