Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[Pinky and the Brain]

I'm sceptical of Dekes visiting nobody N3. I'll pull up the relevant quotes tomorrow morning when not on a phone.

Essentially, the gist of it is that he strongly implies he has used up all his actions (as a JOAT), but doing nothing N3 gives him just 2 Nights to use up his actions, when JOATs usually have 3 or 4 actions.


@ Kdub: Thoughts on SK hunting?

I'm concerned that with a likely SK in play we won't have enough mislynches to parse the 5 completely of scum, given that we need 2 mislynches to guarantee hitting all 3 scum but the SK means 2 probable deaths a night. Hitting the SK will give more room for error.


Got a bit more to say which I'll type up tomorrow.

[Kdub]

I'm sceptical of Dekes visiting nobody N3. I'll pull up the relevant quotes tomorrow morning when not on a phone.

Essentially, the gist of it is that he strongly implies he has used up all his actions (as a JOAT), but doing nothing N3 gives him just 2 Nights to use up his actions, when JOATs usually have 3 or 4 actions.

This is a reasonable point, but GW correctly calling lew's action kinda nullifies it. Right now, there are 3 options I see:
1) GW is a tracker
2) GW is scum and his faction has a tracker (could be GW himself) that saw lew target thil
3) GW and lew are buddies and made up the tracking story

Right now I'm leaning toward #2.

@ Kdub: Thoughts on SK hunting?

Well sure, killing an SK would be preferable right now, but we don't really have a solid lead on who that may be. What we do have is a 1v1 between likely town and likely mafia. I'd rather settle that now rather than lynch someone else and hope they turn out to be the SK.

[Bunnylover]

Ugh, I find the information that GW had is somewhat similar to the information Ythan had yesterday.
Its basically doesn't really help anything.
I say we go with PW sensor ability, and lynch one of those 5 people.
Starting with DH.

[esuriospiritus]

Bunny, is there any particular reason you're ignoring that there's a 1 v 1 between thil and PatB right now?

Thil continues to avoid the subject of two claimed roleblocks as well.

[lewarcher82]

Bunny, is there any particular reason you're ignoring that there's a 1 v 1 between thil and PatB right now?

Thil continues to avoid the subject of two claimed roleblocks as well.

I wish to add that I cannot believe we have 1-shot flav cop+cop+tracker+1/2sensor+doc+joat(with universal block). Sounds too much. But still, I cannot but agree with pinky that in this situation the double nightkill is something we cannot afford. We mentioned the possibility of cp/weird being the SK, esurio added a meta-related argument. Now his nameclaim is not unconsistent with this possibility.

question to everybody: we have two distinct killing flavours that occurred more than 1 night, one is certainly scum, the other prolly a sk. Which one do you think is scum and which one do you think is the sk and why?

@bunny: I have noticed your vote. But I will comment on it after my question has been answered.

@weird: I prefer to wait for you to answer this before going on with a case on you. Your answer is of the utmost interest.

[wierdalexv]

'was found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body' is probably SK.

NK Speculation

SSBF,Old Bird, Vanilla Townie, found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 2

- Not exactly sure here, looks more like a Mafia kill because SSBF looked pretty town.

E_Lou_Sive, Wario, Mafia Doc, has been slashed to death Night 3.

- Looks like a vig kill, probably from Dekes.

hohum, Ribbon, Vanilla Townie, was found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 3.

- Don't see scum motivation here, so probably SK.

RedCoyote, Tetra, Vanilla Townie, was found incinerated with energy burns all around them.

- Looks like scumkill here.

Ythan, Princess Peach, doctor,was found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns Night 4.

- Not sure.

Dekes, Kirby, Jack of all Trades, was found with multiple high-energy burn marks on their body Night 4.

- Not sure, either.

Not entirely sure, though.
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Pinky and the Brain brings up a pretty good point, but there might be a Mafia Roleblocker.
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WHY IS THIL13 ALIVE? THERE IS A 1ON1 WITH PINKY&THE BRAIN, AND WHY THE HECK WOULD SCUM CLAIM SENSOR WITH THE DOCTOR DEAD AND EXPECT TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE ALIVE THE NEXT DAY???

~I'm out with a :RAGE:

[wierdalexv]

EBWOP: I'm out with a :POINTLESS RAGE OVER NOTHING:

[wierdalexv]

:+P = emote that I don't want.

[Kdub]

question to everybody: we have two distinct killing flavours that occurred more than 1 night, one is certainly scum, the other prolly a sk. Which one do you think is scum and which one do you think is the sk and why?

Not sure, but I'm leaning toward agreeing with alex that "incinerated" is more likely to be mafia. My feeling is that the SK would have left Ythan to be dealt with by the mafia.

What other issues need to be addressed before we proceed?

[lewarcher82]

attention, kdub: weirdalexv is confusing the situation. He says that hohum and smashbro are killed by two different parties, but flavour is the same. How is that possible?

I want to hear esurio's and bunny's thoughts on this point: who incinerates and who does not?

@everyone: I am not crazy, I have something in my mind.

[GhostWriter]

Alex)
Asked for a nameclaim because I was fairly certain I couldn't get a full role claim without claiming myself anyway.

Lew)
TAC seemed like a VT claim because of the other Kirby enemy flip. There was no option of TAC scum, it was an option of you using a fakeclaim.

It's extremely convenient that in a game with the majority of the players dead that the 1 other report I have is on a dead player?

Kdub)
I've actually never even heard of a scum tracker, but it's seems that'd only be worth putting into a game with 2 scum teams and an SK. Otherwise, there are much better choices to put on a scum team.



I think that the best course of action is to lynch Thil, who is on the sensor list, then DH, then probably Alex.

Thil has the best chance of flipping scum, DH/Mb feels right for an SK, and Alex is the most likely scum left over from the sensor list.

[lewarcher82]

actually, GW, I wouldn't mind asking you the same question I asked to esurio and bunny.

[The Master Hand]

The main reason I don't like the 1v1 thing is because I have town-reads on both. I would rather catch the 3 scum out of 5 on PatB's Tragedy wagon thing. Wierdalexv is our strongest read, and as such we would prefer to vote him over unfortunately lynching a cop.
-Toast

[GhostWriter]

I don't really know. Looking at Hohum feels like the key though. Hohum pushed Thil's lynch very hard. Best guess is SK wanted him dead to sow dissension about Thil's role in the game. So I'd say that was SK kill flavor if I had to choose.

[wierdalexv]

Looks like =/= is.

I said that the SSBB kill

looks like

a Mafia kill, but there is more kills with that flavor that look like an SK.

Lew, I take it your plan can't be explained without blowing the effect of it?

[Bunnylover]

Bunny, is there any particular reason you're ignoring that there's a 1 v 1 between thil and PatB right now?

Thil continues to avoid the subject of two claimed roleblocks as well.

I don't have a response to that. Not sure why I haven't paid attention to it.
Thinking about it now, could it be that mafia has a jailkeeper who is JK'ing Thil and a RoleBlocker to RB random people. This would explain why Thil isn't been killed by mafia or an serial killer if we have one.
I don't know, its strange and now I understand why PatB is voting Thil. But a cop uncounterclaimed just makes me believe him more.

@Lew: I'm not entirely sure about what is what. Apparently we have no vig. But how do we explain the "slashed to death" part? I don't think the SK would put himself at risk and attack Ythan doctor, so Im going to go with found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns is mafia killing.

[GhostWriter]

Honestly, I've been chalking the "slashed to death" flavor to Kirby. He has two copy abilities that could be attributed to that. I simply assumed Dekes was wanting someone to fakeclaim vig.

[Bunnylover]

Honestly, I've been chalking the "slashed to death" flavor to Kirby. He has two copy abilities that could be attributed to that. I simply assumed Dekes was wanting someone to fakeclaim vig.

lol wow, that makes sense.
Kirby as JOAT because of absorbtion ability.
Sword absortion kill flavor would be "stabbed to death".
:O
-explodes-

[Kdub]

attention, kdub: weirdalexv is confusing the situation. He says that hohum and smashbro are killed by two different parties, but flavour is the same. How is that possible?

I don't think he was saying that definitively. I think he's just unsure, just as I am.

Kdub)

I've actually never even heard of a scum tracker

, but it's seems that'd only be worth putting into a game with 2 scum teams and an SK. Otherwise, there are much better choices to put on a scum team.

You have a short memory

Thinking about it now, could it be that mafia has a jailkeeper who is JK'ing Thil and a RoleBlocker to RB random people

That is super-overpowered. Scum doctor+roleblocker+jailkeeper in the same faction? No.

[esuriospiritus]

NIGHTKILL SPECULATION

20. DTMaster SSBF,Old Bird, Vanilla Townie, found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 2.

12. Lucresia chkflip E_Lou_Sive, Wario, Mafia Doc, has been slashed to death Night 3.

5. Xtoxm hohum, Ribbon, Vanilla Townie, was found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 3.

1. RedCoyote, Tetra, Vanilla Townie, was found incinerated with energy burns all around them.
4. Ythan, Princess Peach, doctor,was found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns Night 4.

2. Dekes, Kirby, Jack of all Trades, was found with multiple high-energy burn marks on their body Night 4.

iso 68 points to Dekes not having killed E_Lou_Sive. More than that, I'm not willing to speculate on as it's obvious that if it wasn't Dekes it was someone who's still alive, barring some sort of inventor.

I can see hohum's death coming from any faction and

even E_Lou Sivre doesn't have to be a clean vigshot, although it fits the mo of a vig.

Important:
I am responsible for no deaths N1. And no actions at all for that matter. I'm a JOAT, one of them was a mass block.

I pretty much wasted all of my actions and the only informative thing is that PatB is a bit more likely town

(which becomes a lot more likely looking at his recent play).

An Ythan (orange) kill doesn't make as much sense to me as an SK kill as it does as a mafia kill. Keeping in mind that it wasn't super obvious that we had an SK going into Night 4 being that we'd only had one kill Night 2, I think our SK left Ythan for the mafia (who I think would be mafia's obvious target if they were the only compulsive shooting faction), which would lead to the SK being the red kill and mafia being the orange kill (which means if we want to ignore the 1v1 and try to hit the SK today it's probably not DemonHybrid as RC was an orange kill).

I also

really

can't see mafia having shot hohum. Not when there were people who thought his slot was scummy. I think that was probably the SK trying to hit a scum.

[Bunnylover]

attention, kdub: weirdalexv is confusing the situation. He says that hohum and smashbro are killed by two different parties, but flavour is the same. How is that possible?

I don't think he was saying that definitively. I think he's just unsure, just as I am.

Kdub)

I've actually never even heard of a scum tracker

, but it's seems that'd only be worth putting into a game with 2 scum teams and an SK. Otherwise, there are much better choices to put on a scum team.

You have a short memory

Thinking about it now, could it be that mafia has a jailkeeper who is JK'ing Thil and a RoleBlocker to RB random people

That is super-overpowered. Scum doctor+roleblocker+jailkeeper in the same faction? No.

Two teams then?

[Kdub]

No, most likely one team + SK.

You're ignoring the simplest answer: one of PatB and thil is lying about being roleblocked.

[wierdalexv]

Kdub)

I've actually never even heard of a scum tracker

, but it's seems that'd only be worth putting into a game with 2 scum teams and an SK. Otherwise, there are much better choices to put on a scum team.

You have a short memory

This is....interesting to say the least. I want to see GhostWriter's response to this.

Thinking about it now, could it be that mafia has a jailkeeper who is JK'ing Thil and a RoleBlocker to RB random people

Jailkeeper+Doc+Roleblocker? I think that the power would be a little bit more spread out than just between Protecting & Roleblocking, especially because protecting is a lot less useful being that we don't have a vig.

[lewarcher82]

Huh, I may be slow tonight, but how do we know we don't have a vig? I am asking this to bunny and weird. This question is very relevant... I wish I used my power on someone else, but I had no idea someone would have claimed the name of a bounty killer... I wonder what I would have found visiting him instead of thil.

[Pinky and the Brain]

@ Mod: Please prod DemonHybrid with

extreme prejudice

@everyone: I am not crazy, I have something in my mind.

Can you tell us yet?


Bunnylover: If you had to order {thil, DemonHybrid, weirdalexv, GW, esurio} in preference of order of lynching, what order would you put them in?