Into Africa - Over

[Flavour Analysis]

Also, whenever I have mentioned "She" or "July" it means my other head. I posted this now because I want to make sure it is posted in case of a quick hammer like Pacman did.

[Cirno]

Elli and Jily are both dead town, btw.

[Flavour Analysis]

Yeah well I didn't edit anything out because she has been working on that post since before the thread opened. Then I previewed and saw Jil get dk'd too, but I felt it was better to leave our thoughts about them in the post.

[Altilysian]

@Atil:

* Answer my question. Why do you want to wait for CKD's answer before answering me?
* I also assume you conceded to my points by voting Hez again.
* Zelink hasn't been scumhunting as much as he has been in the past, he's just been sitting there, promising cases.
* The mod would say "PLAYER X HAS BEEN MODKILLED FOR BREAKING RULE #42!". That's what I think that would say. You could ask the mod.
* Btw Atil, how experienced are you in Mafia? I have looked at your Wiki and it's all newb games. (Don't know if it's up to date or not)

1) FA, I didn't realize you meant that question. The reason I wanted to hear what CKD has to say about Hez's explanation is because CKD asked me if I could understand Hez's problem with VT claims. I said yes and felt it would be appropriate to ask what CKD thought of Hez's beef with your claim and hear what he had to say before I gave my understanding of Hez's problem. Some big things have happened since then and now we know either CKD or Hez is scum. I have no problems answering the initial question posed if you request it.

2) If you're implying that I'm sheeping you (sorry if that's not what you mean), then no I'm not. As I was writing up post 856, I realized how scummy Hezlucky is once again. Basically, I was able to understand why he might have a problem with your claim, but his D1 tunneling is super scummy. My vote was based on the points I outlined in my post 856. not your summary post.

3) Okay. You're probably more experienced than me.

4) I'm not very experienced. I played some newbie games over a year ago and I decided to play a game here again.

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My vote is staying on Hezlucky. First of all, Hezlucky has been more scummy than CKD. Secondly, CKD's claim is better. The "scavenged" word choice puzzled me initially, but now it makes more sense. As a hyena, CKD is not actually killing animals, but scavenging their remains after they've become inactive. With Hez's claim, okay I can understand trying to act scummy to avoid the nightkill, but tunneling to get an investigation target sounds off. Wouldn't it be better to have a range of possible suspects to inspect, so you keep your options open?

P-edit: FA's big analysis post. I will post this down now.

[Flavour Analysis]

"What was your thought of Hez not spreading enough content during d1? I felt that was a good point. Please expand on that."

"I will answer your question about why I was able to see where he was coming from after I hear what CKD has to say about HezLucky's assertion that your VT claim was "too self-preservationist."

First statement is mine, second is yours. I'm sure you know what question to answer from your second statement.

[Calcifer]

So either the SK lacks cop immunity, or HezLucky is a dirty, animal-eating bastard.
Hmmm...

Vote: Hezlucky

Yeah well I didn't edit anything out because she has been working on that post since before the thread opened. Then I previewed and saw Jil get dk'd too, but I felt it was better to leave our thoughts about them in the post.

Why, so you could look townier by having a longer post?
SCUM NO. 1 CAUGHT AND I HAVENT EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT READING THE GAME YET.
YESSS

[Flavour Analysis]

@Atil:

Right. But you didn't post the vote near the time you posted that post. You voted after I responded to you. (After I said that you should put your vote back on) I assumed you agreed to that and then voted without really commenting on what I said. It just seemed to me like you did that to drop it and give in. (It's always good to be honest then to just give in)

Ah ok, thank you for clarifying.

Well then, you make a good point. (Regarding the Scavenging)

@Calcifer: No. Without those two the post is pretty damn long regardless. (You should actually read it to see that each spoiler is quite short)

And you just hammered.

[Flavour Analysis]

Btw Calcifer, why did you just hammer without reading first?

[HezLucky]

You people need to get off the drugs -_-

I should be madder than this. :shrug:

[Calcifer]

Then what was your reasoning?

And I didn't need to read in order to hammer... A cop claiming a guilty on someone, with that someone responding with a claim in kind doesn't take 37 pages to figure out.

[Fate]

Calcifer's in this game?

[Flavour Analysis]

Yeah he replaced in.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Calcifer

: Reason why is because she worked on giving those reads, and I wasn't going to omit them. You have our thought process of them.


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Elvis Knits #814

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• Oh, obv? (My other head must have missed it only if it was obvious)
  
  
• Ah, I see. I think it's best to move on from that then, because it all seems null. You could find Fate suspicious for taking advantage of the Vi's votes, or you can't really do much else but blame Pacman. If one of the Vi's are scum, then it would be at the fault of a smarter buddy. So just keep an eye on them. I agree, I feel he doesn't really read much either. He is null to me.
  
  
• Fair enough, my other head now understands why you were suspecting him.
  
  
• No, she said you explained it well enough for her to understand where you were getting at with him. She says she thinks he is scum but that it isn't a determining factor for her.
  
  

  If llamarble was so sure silavor was scum, WHY feel guilty about causing a quickhammer? He got exactly what he wanted -- silavor was lynched without claiming, and suddenly he feels bad about it?

  
  
  
• You make a good point though. Right, seems like fake concern. Regardless, I do feel Llama is scummy because I have seen him do more in the past.
  It's totally scummy whatever his motivation.
  
  

  As speculation, the whole things looks like llamarble was setting us up to discount any claim that silavor might make and push the lynch through regardless. I don't think he actually intended to quicklynch silavor. But then evilpacman did quicklynch silavor and llamarble went "Oops," now they're going to blame me when silavor flips town." Except only scum would know that silavor would flip town.

  
  
  
• Hmmm, more fake concern, but it's only speculation so it's null.

[Flavour Analysis]

Oops, didn't edit out one of your lines.

[populartajo]

FIRST THINGS FIRST

HYENA IS DEFINITELY NOT A TOWN CLAIM. SO CKD IS THE SK.

SECOND, HEZ IS FAKECLAIMING SINCE HE CANT HAVE A GUILTY ON CKDSK OR CKDTOWN AND CKD CANT BE SCUM SINCE NO ONE HAS COUNTERCLAIMED THE SCAVANGED KILLS.

GOOD NEWS, WE HAVE TWO SCUM GOING DOWN AS WE SPEAK.

KILL THEM WITH FIRE.

LETS ELIMINATE A KILL TODAY AND LET HEZ "INVESTIGATE" ANOTHER NIGHT.

VOTE: CKD

[Flavour Analysis]

Hez is hammered. By Fate. (Miscounted) 11 to lynch.

[populartajo]

NOT THE OPTYMAL PLAY I WISHED BUT ITS SCUM LYNCH ANYWAYS SO :HAPPY:

[Llamarble]

Yikes. It's like still a week before I was expecting D1 to end.
And apparently I was one of the 2 main wagons today?
I hope we didn't do the cop claims guilty -> lynch cop thing without a good reason.
It sounds to me like we have a claimed guilty on a claimed Hyena who scavenges people, which doesn't really sound pro-town to me.
I can kind of picture "whittles away at the pride's stragglers to make the group stronger" as a town role but it's definitely iffy.
Calcifer you seem to be confused. Hez is the claimed cop. Oh well, I guess we'll see the flip soon.

[Flavour Analysis]

LLAMA. SCUM PICKS NOW.

[Altilysian]

"What was your thought of Hez not spreading enough content during d1? I felt that was a good point. Please expand on that."

"I will answer your question about why I was able to see where he was coming from after I hear what CKD has to say about HezLucky's assertion that your VT claim was "too self-preservationist."

First statement is mine, second is yours.

I did expand on your first statement. I realized what made Hez's content so hollow...his focus on your claim.

I'm sure you know what question to answer from your second statement.

You convinced yourself he is scummy again? Well I suggest you put your vote back on him, or vote someone else you feel is scummy. I don’t want you to be unvoteless here. I would rather you answer it first, please. Why is Zelink Pro-town to you?

I thought you meant the Zelink question since it came right after. That's the one I answered before voting.

@Atil:

Right. But you didn't post the vote near the time you posted that post. You voted after I responded to you. (After I said that you should put your vote back on) I assumed you agreed to that and then voted without really commenting on what I said. It just seemed to me like you did that to drop it and give in. (It's always good to be honest then to just give in)

You're right. I probably should have voted in 856. I had reconvinced myself he was scum at that point. Meh, I just didn't want to lay down the vote again so soon after I had unvoted. You could say it was a "stylistic" choice. I figured I would (and could) wait until my next post to do so. Also, your point about you liking people always placing their votes on their suspects was valid. So I was like "ok, I certainly have no problem with that. I'll proceed to place my vote on my top suspect."

Atil - Null leaning scum.
Atil seemed to be excited to join the Hez lucky wagon, and immediately jumps off because of queasiness. (I assume it was going to fast) He has been pushing Hezlucky all game for being scummy, and yet when he finally votes, THEN realizes that he truly understood where Hez was coming from. This is BS to me because he didn't even explain and would rather wait until CKD answered his question so he can then asnwer mine. This is minorly suspicious.

Actually, if you look back, you'll see that I unvoted just 34 minutes after my initial hop on the bandwagon. There was some DietyKabuto stuff in between and if you see that stuff as influencing my decision to unvote, then fine. The truth is right after I voted, I rethought and reread Hez.

But please, tell me why you see what I did as scummy. Why was my inconsistency scum-motivated?

[LlamaFluff]

End of Day Vote Count

HezLucky (11) - Flavour Analysis, ZeL1nK, populartajo, vezokpiraka, GreyICE, DietyKabuto, Altilysian, curiouskarmadog, Amrun, Fate, Calcifer
curiouskarmadog (4) - HezLucky, earworm, Seacore, Cirno
Llamarble (3) - elvis_knits, Lowell, snarky
snarky (1) - evilpacman18

Not Voting (1) - Llamarble

[LlamaFluff]

In the wild, lion cub mortality rate is nearly 80% for the first two years. Way to be average.

HezLucky - Lion Cub (Incompetent Goon) - Lynched Day Two

Night actions are due June 29th, 2AM PST. I likely will not get the day started until at least 4PM however, but deadline is final

[LlamaFluff]

Fate - Antelope - Townie - Eaten Night Two

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch
Deadline is July 20th, 12:01 AM PST

[Seacore]

Llamafluff = +1 awesomeness for using Calvin and Hobbes

In other news I think we should still lynch CKD. Unless we've got some PR results of course. So I'll wait til everybody's posted before revoting CKD

[Flavour Analysis]

Hey Seacore.

What do you think of Elvis, Earworm, Zelink, Pacman, and Atil?

What did you think of the Hez lucky wagon?

How about the people off of the wagon?