Into Africa - Over

[Seacore]

Try again. This time read everything.

[Calcifer]

No. Quote your latest post on Cirno where you took a clear position on a read. There is absolutely no reason to be stubborn about a single read when all it takes it for you to say town or scum.

[Cirno]

>As it is, he's leaning scum to me, and not just for his refusal to answer.

There you go.

[Seacore]

See Calcifer. Cirno's not helpful at all and she can still read the freakin game.

[Llamarble]

Also WTF is an incompetent goon?

[Llamarble]

And how could action resolution work to allow Tajo to give Grey power and Grey use it on the same night??
Probably that just isn't how it goes.

[Seacore]

I've run PRs like that in the past. Not that I really believing Tajo right now, but I've seen it work.

Example: "Hired Killer: Each night PM the Mod with a target. That target will receive a PM instructing them to PM the mod with kill target. You will perform the kill action for purposes of investigation abilities such as tracking"

Well that's probably not how we wrote it, writing them to make sense is Faraday's department, but still the process was Player A targets Player B, Player B targets Player C (or player A as it turned out, ha!) all on the same night. You just need a decently long night and
a) to wait for all the Role Blocking targets to come in or
b) make the first action unblockable.

Here's the one thing that I've been mulling over.

If Tajo was lying, why wouldn't he just say he gave Ze the cop power? Why did he make his fake claim more complicated by adding a protection role in?

[Altilysian]

I think he said that he gives it to the player during the day.

[Llamarble]

Haha, when I claimed in MPM I claimed doctor with fractional chance of protection.
Incompetent goon might be a clue to how many scums there are as a balancing mechanism etc. depending what it does.
I reread Tajo and he barely mentions Grey, which is at least not inconsistent with Grey being a secret townread or something.
But we have SERIOUS CAN NOT IGNORE role information pushing a Tajolynch.
And AMRUN IS SCUM TOO. AND CIRNO.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote ckd

SK needs to die.

Tajo is way too obvious town. If he was scum he would have replaced long ago.

[Calcifer]

@Seacore: Not useful, and yet has no problem stating your reads when you can't state your own?

@vezok: vote tajo.

[Lowell]

Too many scenarios for me to keep track of, but I'm getting a positive town-vibe from tajo, for what it's worth.

[Snarky]

Tajo is scum. The inventor role name doesn't really fit the role. He voted ice somewhen. The claim fits too well, nahnahnah not buying it.

If tajo really is scum, pretty sure Amrum is scum too, but not Cirno. Not Seacore either. elvis and pacman still works.

For the info the grey lynch would give us, everyone who defended him is town. I remember Seacore. He is conftown for me.

[Snarky]

VOTE: populartajo

[Snarky]

Tajo: inventor = gadgets. What are your gadgets, flavourly speaking?

[curiouskarmadog]

Im a chimpanzee, 50% inventor. Day 1 and 2 I gave GreyICE 50% cop ability since he was the town read that wouldnt be nked. When GreyIce claimed cop Day 3 he was TELLING THE TRUTH so this cleared Amrun and Seacore. Notice how I said today "As much as I hate amrun, I think we should start lynching from the pool that lynched greyice, since Im pretty sure the majority, if not all scum, are on there. Y/N?" Yesterday, I gave Zelink 50% chance of protection but I guess it failed or I was roleblocked.

This paints you as total scum since no townie in his right mind would do what he do knowing that it was still possible to out a PR. I was sure you were scum anyways so

Vote: CKD.

WHO IS THE SCUMBAG NOW?

Given the situation I just put you in, this was the only claim that you could have said. An inventor that works sometimes and oh by the way, the only person I chose to target the entire game is dead.

But I guess you knew that right?

forget what I said about caustic ice.

vote: greyice.

claim.

BULLSHIT!

Seacore, Amrun - confirmed town.

Llamarble, Elvis - confirmed scum

Also you used this comment to prove your point, but you didn’t actually quote it..why I wonder…he also says the L and E are scum…now how could he have results on all these people? and why did you just chose the top two?...how do you know that he didnt know the L and E are are scum, and S and A were guesses...lies lies lies.


LIES…sad try tajo…I still love you, but sad try.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, why didn't you wait for all players to claim for the full effect?

there was no need to...I have done this once before and caught scum...the reason I said 2 people was because scum would think "hey if I dont claim CKD will know I am lying"..this forces scum to claim. At best in their situation it will be a he said she said type thing with the other person I watched...also, in tajo particular situation his claims were limited...he cant say he was a doc...he cant say he was a watcher (he thought I was), he cant say is was a cop, he cant say he was a hider, he really cant say he was a tracker (because who would believe that?)...the only safe claim he could say...was the bullshit he spewed out..

an inventor that works sometimes and the only person who can verify it is someone he help kill...why would you lynch someone you gave to cop investigations too?...lies

[curiouskarmadog]

im not going to play the why ice did what he did

as I said, do whatever the hell you want

just lynch ckd after flip.

hey why dont we do this then...put your money where your mouth is...dont post for 72 hours...I will vig you, if you dont flip scum, I will give everyone the permission to lynch me...fuck, I will even place the first vote!!!

[Flavour Analysis]

Hahaha, good point about him 'giving GI 2 shot cops' but put him to l-1.

Also his play seems more like sacrificing himself to get rid of you, because it seems you are a threat to the scum.

[Flavour Analysis]

So, this means:

1. A portion of the lurkers may be scum
2. They think you are bluffing about your lurker day kill, and possibly just being a day kill.

[DeityKabuto]

Vote: Seacore

Your last comments on Cirno were your ISO #34 and ISO #35, and you fencesat even that. Getting a read should not be like pulling teeth, so put on your big boy pants and dedicate yourself to a read and explain it.

Wasn't there a Seacore wagon a while back?

[Calcifer]

Lowell, what scenarios are you referring to?

Snarky, your conclusion on the greyice lynch doesn't make any sense. Why do you think scum would be incapable of defending someone they know is town?

FA, I don't understand what on earth you are talking about re: scum versus ckd. Why do you think scum are trying to get rid of him?

[Calcifer]

EBWOP: FA, how is tajo's play geared more towards getting rid of ckd as opposed to just surviving?

[Snarky]

Calcifer: Why would they slow down a mislynch? I'm not talking about just going on a counterwagon like tajo and Amrum did, I'm talking about stating openly that you think this person is town and try to convince people to switch wagon. I need to do a reread to know who did it.

[Calcifer]

Scum do things like that in order to get town cred, especially when the momentum is heavily tilted towards a particular person. It's called white knighting...

Also wondering what you meant by "the claim fits too well"...