Mini 260: Miyazaki Mafia - Game over!
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Ah, once again my cross-posting powers rule all.
So Elvis_Knits was our frogger, eh? Weird that scum faked posting restrictions twice in a row after it already hadn't worked for Meme, but I suppose it makes lurking easier if you 'can't talk'.
Also, that was a good try for getting us to lynch Medicated Lain: giving her a different posting restriction than our other two 'frogs' was very clever. Meme's statement of "finding out all you can about posting restrictions" was misleading, so even in death (voting for herself) she gave a final attempt at misleading the town into a false lynch the next day. Tricksy! If Elvis_Knits had pushed that agenda more, I will admit that I probably would have fallen for it.
Good game all, I look forward to hearing how scum had planned to play their full game, because it is obvious they were setting the stage since Day 1.
So Elvis_Knits was our frogger, eh? Weird that scum faked posting restrictions twice in a row after it already hadn't worked for Meme, but I suppose it makes lurking easier if you 'can't talk'.
Also, that was a good try for getting us to lynch Medicated Lain: giving her a different posting restriction than our other two 'frogs' was very clever. Meme's statement of "finding out all you can about posting restrictions" was misleading, so even in death (voting for herself) she gave a final attempt at misleading the town into a false lynch the next day. Tricksy! If Elvis_Knits had pushed that agenda more, I will admit that I probably would have fallen for it.
Good game all, I look forward to hearing how scum had planned to play their full game, because it is obvious they were setting the stage since Day 1.
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So...could one of you scum explain exactly what was going on with the frogs? Were MeMe and W!nter faking to set up safe claims?
I still say vig'ing me was a bad move. Minis usually only have one group of 3 scum, and there wasn't any evidence of a second killing group. With 2 down, it's better to just get everyone involved and try to lynch correctly, rather than taking it on yourself. There just wasn't any reason to kill there.
Also, I was quite impressed with petroleumjelly's play. I normally think coming out as a cop early is a bad thing, but he had good basis for doing so, especially given who he had investigated. The only small suggestion I'd make for the future would be to cut down on the long posts a bit. Analysis of what's already happened is good, but making up long plans for the future can tend to give the scum too much information -- if they know what's going to happen at night they can come up with plans to thwart it. Never came into play here, but I could see an occaision where giving too much information about night plans in public could backfire.
I still say vig'ing me was a bad move. Minis usually only have one group of 3 scum, and there wasn't any evidence of a second killing group. With 2 down, it's better to just get everyone involved and try to lynch correctly, rather than taking it on yourself. There just wasn't any reason to kill there.
Also, I was quite impressed with petroleumjelly's play. I normally think coming out as a cop early is a bad thing, but he had good basis for doing so, especially given who he had investigated. The only small suggestion I'd make for the future would be to cut down on the long posts a bit. Analysis of what's already happened is good, but making up long plans for the future can tend to give the scum too much information -- if they know what's going to happen at night they can come up with plans to thwart it. Never came into play here, but I could see an occaision where giving too much information about night plans in public could backfire.
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yes we were faking...Yaw wrote:So...could one of you scum explain exactly what was going on with the frogs? Were MeMe and W!nter faking to set up safe claims?
I still say vig'ing me was a bad move. Minis usually only have one group of 3 scum, and there wasn't any evidence of a second killing group. With 2 down, it's better to just get everyone involved and try to lynch correctly, rather than taking it on yourself. There just wasn't any reason to kill there.
Also, I was quite impressed with petroleumjelly's play. I normally think coming out as a cop early is a bad thing, but he had good basis for doing so, especially given who he had investigated. The only small suggestion I'd make for the future would be to cut down on the long posts a bit. Analysis of what's already happened is good, but making up long plans for the future can tend to give the scum too much information -- if they know what's going to happen at night they can come up with plans to thwart it. Never came into play here, but I could see an occaision where giving too much information about night plans in public could backfire.
Day two was a result of miscummunication on Knits' and my part.
I was under the assumption that our post kill post had not gone out to Nai, and I took on the role of frog, believing our target had not been taken into account... I was wrong but then see my last post, I basicly gave up yesterday for a loss after ML posted as frog. If you notice my posting frequency dramaticly tapers off after she revealed her unfortunate case.
The entire mafia team was given two "safe roles" from which we could claim with which was a nice thing though I'm sad that they were such obscure things... I really had to stretch to make Dola at least somewhat believable... which worked somewhat... All in all I enjoyed this game, and it definate will go down in my book as a learning experience... now off to my other games. though I'd be happy to answer more questions.
Strategy, smategy.
I can answer that one, ML. It was a lynch, not a modkill. After MeMe gave up the posting restriction, she put the last vote on herself. The final post of the day shows it as a lynch, not a modkill. Looking back, she must've done it so that nobody could figure out that she was faking. Quite a cagey move, if I do say.
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Nai wrote:I'm officially back, and I"m about to post an official vote count. Gimme second.
Official vote count:
W!nt3r (4): Orbiting, cropcircles, PetroleumJelly, Medicated Lain
You have lynched W!nt3r. She was... drumroll please:
W!nt3r was a scumbag! Jigo, to be precise, and she was a godfather! Congratulations town! You win! I'll be posting roles in a moment, as well as night 1 and 2 actions. I'll need to get night 3 actions from Iammars.
Uhmmm I'm male... 100% manly dude. But if it'll get me better roles... i'm all for it.
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Aw, thanks Yaw. I personally don't think I played too well this game (after my debacle with Meme), and I agree that my posts are too long. That seems to be a bad habit of mine: at a different forum I was once voted for by multiple people because I talked too much. I will try to remedy my jib-jab for the future. And apologies for sending our Vigilante after you, you were looking pretty bad to me at the time.
I will agree with you, though, that I probably should not have posted actions for each night, but I will admit I tried to serve the town a double purpose (for Day 2, at least). At that point in time, I was pretty sure our Doctor was between W!nt3r, ML, or Orbiting. So I took the risk of having ML role-blocked (knowing that she would very likely not be killed if I had her role-blocked, and because I was honestly thinking that she was our frogger), further hoping scum would also not target me by assuming protection from
Day 3 I posted actions because I was honestly trying to find a sure-fire way for the town to win the game if W!nt3r turned out to not be scum. I will take your advice however, and keep this kind of talk at a minimum for the future, since I agree that scum could indeed easily use that information to their advantage.
I will agree with you, though, that I probably should not have posted actions for each night, but I will admit I tried to serve the town a double purpose (for Day 2, at least). At that point in time, I was pretty sure our Doctor was between W!nt3r, ML, or Orbiting. So I took the risk of having ML role-blocked (knowing that she would very likely not be killed if I had her role-blocked, and because I was honestly thinking that she was our frogger), further hoping scum would also not target me by assuming protection from
Aureal
. The whole Day 2, I wanted scum to think that Aureal was our doctor, since I knew her to be a messenger. I know you don't practice telepathy, but I figured only scum would hence want Aureal lynched, which is why I wanted you Vigged, Yaw. And sorry for trying to use you there, Aureal. Day 3 I posted actions because I was honestly trying to find a sure-fire way for the town to win the game if W!nt3r turned out to not be scum. I will take your advice however, and keep this kind of talk at a minimum for the future, since I agree that scum could indeed easily use that information to their advantage.
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My comment about lengthiness was more about day 3. I was following while dead and...well, I admit to skimming in some parts.
Interesting how we got our wires crossed there. I was convinced in the early part of day 2 that Aureal was scum trying to make us think she was the doc. (She was a bit more forward with hints than I would expect a doc to be.) Hence the vote.
Interesting how we got our wires crossed there. I was convinced in the early part of day 2 that Aureal was scum trying to make us think she was the doc. (She was a bit more forward with hints than I would expect a doc to be.) Hence the vote.
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Sorry, team! I completely fouled up this game from the start. I was supposed to fake being frogged in hopes that the cop would believe a guilty result might have been caused by whatever had happened to me (and since I didn't have investigation immunity and was the senior player, it was almost sure the cop WOULD investigate me and get guilty). We were hoping to get enough benefit of the doubt to get me to the next day when someone ELSE would show up as frogged.
I can't BELIEVE I forgot, in my very first post, to fake the restriction. My lynching was fully my fault. I feel incredibly guilty.
Nice job town!
I can't BELIEVE I forgot, in my very first post, to fake the restriction. My lynching was fully my fault. I feel incredibly guilty.
Nice job town!
Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza
Wow, that was a quick game. For comparison, the game in which I got killed to open up a slot so I could play this one is only in the first Night after the morning when I turned up dead. >_>;
Y'know, it actually didn't occur to me until later than all my ranting about not outing the doctor could be taken as a sign that I was the doctor, but once it did I was hoping for the same thing, since clearly my messages were much less useful than doctoring. >_>; I think you may have tripped up that effort by hinting at my role, though. If I was the doctor, you wouldn't have known it, so noting that you had another reason for believing me innocent could only work against the idea that I was the doctor. What was it that made you pass on targetting me last night, Winter?petroleumjelly wrote:The whole Day 2, I wanted scum to think that Aureal was our doctor, since I knew her to be a messenger. I know you don't practice telepathy, but I figured only scum would hence want Aureal lynched, which is why I wanted you Vigged, Yaw. And sorry for trying to use you there, Aureal.
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Yay! Well done, town!
For clarity these were my results:
Night 1: Falcone, Aureal
Night 2: Petroleumjelly, Medicated Lain
This is why I reacted strongly against a possible ML lynch. I thought she was the doc (I thought there might be a link between the results I did get). Especially when Aureal, who I thought may be scum, played around with the idea of lynching her. I knew Kiki was in there though, so I would have believed your claim.
One thing still puzzles me:
Scum, why was I killed?
For clarity these were my results:
Night 1: Falcone, Aureal
Night 2: Petroleumjelly, Medicated Lain
This is why I reacted strongly against a possible ML lynch. I thought she was the doc (I thought there might be a link between the results I did get). Especially when Aureal, who I thought may be scum, played around with the idea of lynching her. I knew Kiki was in there though, so I would have believed your claim.
One thing still puzzles me:
Scum, why was I killed?
You had no possible imunity I could see, and for a while people were in fact confused by your death...VitaminR wrote:Yay! Well done, town!
For clarity these were my results:
Night 1: Falcone, Aureal
Night 2: Petroleumjelly, Medicated Lain
This is why I reacted strongly against a possible ML lynch. I thought she was the doc (I thought there might be a link between the results I did get). Especially when Aureal, who I thought may be scum, played around with the idea of lynching her. I knew Kiki was in there though, so I would have believed your claim.
One thing still puzzles me:
Scum, why was I killed?
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What was the effect of a message from Kiki? I somehow missed that.
Also, of course, good play to the town!
And also, I probably should have told Yaw (my mason partner) that I'd gotten a note from Kiki, i.e. there was a Kiki in the game, but I didn't. I didn't trust him to be the same alignment as me, since at some point in Castle in the Sky, Pazu sells Sheeta out, and also because mixed-alignment masonries seem to be in vogue of late. I don't know that it would have helped, but I still felt sort of bad about withholding potentially useful information...
Also, of course, good play to the town!
And also, I probably should have told Yaw (my mason partner) that I'd gotten a note from Kiki, i.e. there was a Kiki in the game, but I didn't. I didn't trust him to be the same alignment as me, since at some point in Castle in the Sky, Pazu sells Sheeta out, and also because mixed-alignment masonries seem to be in vogue of late. I don't know that it would have helped, but I still felt sort of bad about withholding potentially useful information...
It's better to be lucky than skilled, surely. However, it's a lot easier to be skilled twice than lucky twice.
heh, I'll admit I was surprised to find out you had gotten a message. But I can see the concern -- Pazu and Sheeta did have a falling out midway through the film.
But I also mentioned in a mason PM that I thought I was stinking up the place, so I'm not totally surprised by the town reaction.
But I also mentioned in a mason PM that I thought I was stinking up the place, so I'm not totally surprised by the town reaction.
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The effect is, uh, that you get a message? ^^; Clearly I didn't have anything useful at all to say night 1 with no idea who else was out there, so I just mentioned random stuff that was unlikely to come up in the course of the thread, as evidence in case I needed to claim.Orbiting wrote:What was the effect of a message from Kiki? I somehow missed that.
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Night 3:
PJ: Investigates VitaminR
Aureal: Sends " I didn't get what you meant about saying something to cropcircles. Sorry. ^^;
But I thought you might want to know that I sent a message to Orbiting on night 1, so depending on whether I'm still alive in the morning or not, that may make her more or less suspicious.
Since you gave a couple hints about my role during the day ("I also have a secondary reason for thinking Aureal is innocent, which I will not state here, and you will probably find out why on the morrow," "Aureal, I think you have something to say to cropcircles after the lynch?"), she's the most likely to figure out what my role is, as she should know that there's a messager in the game already. So, if the scum don't kill the vig or roleblocker, they must be hunting for the doctor. I would probably be the best choice to get rid of in that case, because you cleared me already, and as far as they know, I could just as likely be the doctor as any of the other people whose roles aren't out yet. Orbiting, however, is most likely to figure out that I'm a messager, not a doctor. So, if one of the other people whose roles aren't known gets killed instead, I think that makes her more suspicious; on the other hand, if I don't survive, she's a bit less likely to be scum, as they'd not want to waste a kill on a fairly harmless messager when they could get someone more dangerous.
-Kiki, aka Aureal" to PJ.
Lain protects PJ
Mafia targets VitaminR
Cropcircles: Yaw
EnderX: Medicated Lain
PJ: Investigates VitaminR
Aureal: Sends " I didn't get what you meant about saying something to cropcircles. Sorry. ^^;
But I thought you might want to know that I sent a message to Orbiting on night 1, so depending on whether I'm still alive in the morning or not, that may make her more or less suspicious.
Since you gave a couple hints about my role during the day ("I also have a secondary reason for thinking Aureal is innocent, which I will not state here, and you will probably find out why on the morrow," "Aureal, I think you have something to say to cropcircles after the lynch?"), she's the most likely to figure out what my role is, as she should know that there's a messager in the game already. So, if the scum don't kill the vig or roleblocker, they must be hunting for the doctor. I would probably be the best choice to get rid of in that case, because you cleared me already, and as far as they know, I could just as likely be the doctor as any of the other people whose roles aren't out yet. Orbiting, however, is most likely to figure out that I'm a messager, not a doctor. So, if one of the other people whose roles aren't known gets killed instead, I think that makes her more suspicious; on the other hand, if I don't survive, she's a bit less likely to be scum, as they'd not want to waste a kill on a fairly harmless messager when they could get someone more dangerous.
-Kiki, aka Aureal" to PJ.
Lain protects PJ
Mafia targets VitaminR
Cropcircles: Yaw
EnderX: Medicated Lain
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