Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[SleepyKrew]

That is not a reads list.

[Cosca]

That is not a reads list.

We already posted our reads. This is our executor preference list.

[SleepyKrew]

What was the point of quiting Quil asking for a reads list if you aren't going to comply?

[Quilford]

Scum:

- 2x jason (Cosca, Tragedy)
- 2x SK (implosion, Quilford)
- Tragedy (vezok)

Leaning scum:

- 2x vezok (Cosca, Tragedy)
- 3x Tragedy (Cosca, implosion, Quilford)
- jason (Quilford)
- CC (Tragedy)
- Quilford (Tragedy)

Neutral (Null? / Mixed?):

- MoI (Cosca)
- Cosca/IceGuy (implosion, Tragedy)
- jason (implosion)
- Scumhunter/fatlikepig (implosion)
- Zang (Quilford)
- SK (Tragedy)

Leaning town:

- 3x CC (Cosca, implosion, Quilford)
- SK (Cosca)
- Scumhunter/fatlikepig (Quilford)

Town:

- 3x Zang (Cosca, implosion, Tragedy)
- 2x Quilford (Cosca, implosion)
- 4x implosion (Cosca, Tragedy, Quilford, Zang)
- 2x MoI (implosion, Quilford)
- 2x vezok (implosion, Quilford)

Need reads list from:

- jason
- MoI
- SK
- vezok
- Zang
- Scumhunter
- CC's replacement


UNVOTE:
VOTE: implosion

[Scumhunter]

Post incoming. T-minus ~1.25 hours.

[Scumhunter]

Page 18 and counting. Holy fuck is SK obv scum.

[jasonT1981]

I am back, for the most part. catching up in all my games. Quil, if you read you will see I have already given reads though. Welcome to the new people. I caught you presented a case on me. Will try my best to respond by this evening to everything that I can.

[Scumhunter]

Obvious Town: Quilford (close to 100%), implosion,
Other town reads from strongest to weakest: CC, Cosca, Tragedy, Vezok
Null/Suspicious of: MoI
Incredibly Anti-Town (unsure if this = scum): SK
Scum: Zang, Jason

SK, your logic has been so terrible this entire game and you have been in attack, attack, attack mode on almost every player in the game from the getgo. Why does it seem like almost every post of yours is a veiled attack at like 10 different people? I see no town motivation for that at all. I mean I don't blame Quilford one iota for raging at you for the first several pages. I don't trust your power role claim AT ALL, but I'm still weighing the benefits/negatives of having you claim your specific role today. I'm considering the possibility that you are just an incredibly anti-town townie. I think you are scum, but you wouldn't be my first choice for execution today.

MoI, couple of questions: Why did you say you didn't want to be elected executioner? I 100% want to be elected executioner. I know I myself am 100% town (even my strongest town reads are still only 90-95%) and I trust myself more than anyone else to make a correct execution. More importantly, why have you backed off of your scum read on SK? He has been blatantly anti-town the entire game and you posted several good points on him day 1 that you have conveniently chosen to forget moving forward here.

For those of you who think Zang is town. His quote walls really say a whole lot of nothing to be honest. At first glance it looks like he is saying things but really its mostly useless chatter to me anyways.

-Zang's first post of the game posts 4 scum reads. 2 of which are on people who haven't posted at all (even though he has a neutral section for "everyone else") That left me scratching my head.
-Zang's #4 makes sure to point out that "Cod isn't his top scum read". But at the same point he doesn't even bother to clarify who his top scum read is until asked later. I feel if I were being misrepped about who my top scum read was I would make sure to clarify and point out who my actual top scum read is.

Jason's reads list #423 is terrible. Generally agree with Cosca's case on Jason.

At this point I'd likely only support Quilford/implosion/myself as executioner for today. And I'm the slightest bit paranoid of implosion because I usually have a scumread on him almost every game so it worries me a bit that I'm thinking he's obv town.

Vote: Scumhunter

, although I could compromise and vote for Quilford as long as he agrees to lynch someone in this subset [jason, zang, SK, MoI]

Have to run for now. Should be quite active in this game from here on out. Remember even though its day 2 we have already had 2 MLs. I strongly believe that the night kill/potentially day lynch mechanics may strongly favor the scum going forward. I very much believe this may be our last mislynch today so please treat this day as serious as you would treat a day 3 after 2 town lynches in a normal game.

Any questions about my reads go right ahead and ask.

[Tragedy]

Quil, my choice of execution isn't Vezok.
The order of preference is Jason, Quilford, SK then Vezok.

[Tragedy]

^ No wait, I misread that list for a moment.
CC isn't leaning scum, he's null 'cause of his "DV" power.
Then MOI's town for me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also I believe it is what we call active lurking where you make posts that are of much less substance than your previous posts which is what we saw from you. You were around the thread and posted to prove as such, however what you posted was not what we would expect from you.

Ok, I’ve managed to give you enough room to distance yourself from this ridiculous stance as necessary. And you’ve clung to it so strongly despite being told by multiple sources it makes no sense.

Into the scum-pool with this slot. Iceguy’s “Hey why should we agree on the Night-executioner” “Oh wait, nevermind” two step put you on my radar Day 1. This combined with your stance that Vezok is scummy qualifies you for my ‘Approved Execution’ list.

Yes it was, but codfish was going to die for a while, if that wasn't obvious enough. Especially once SK claimed PR. Yes it was towns' choice, but Vezok knew that it was going to be codfish and if he was scum he'd known that it was a mislynch. So he coasted.

Every single scum knew that Codfish was a mis-execution. Why is Vezok the only culpable one? Because he got elected to pull the trigger?

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I'm thinking elect me to kill Zang for the scum flip.

If you are advocating killing Zang you will NEVER get my vote. Zang is Town and an easy read as such.

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MoI, couple of questions: Why did you say you didn't want to be elected executioner? I 100% want to be elected executioner. I know I myself am 100% town (even my strongest town reads are still only 90-95%) and I trust myself more than anyone else to make a correct execution. More importantly, why have you backed off of your scum read on SK? He has been blatantly anti-town the entire game and you posted several good points on him day 1 that you have conveniently chosen to forget moving forward here.

Scumhunter have you seriously not read the thread? I’m going to answer your questions but clearly I’ve given the answers before.

1. I specifically requested to not be elected the Executioner because I was not going to listen to general Town concensus when making my execution. I don’t trust any of your scum-hunting enough to do so. I knew, from seeing the last game, that I wanted to avoid any discussions as to the behavior being Anti-Town at the very outset.
2. Again, I’ve backed off my scum read on SK because I was made Night executioner with VERY little pushback in thread. My scum reads list had CC and SK, both claimed Power Roles, at the Top. If either one was scum I would have expected more of a push against me being concensus (especially since SK was one of the consistent pushers of MoI Night Ex) or having my Night kill messed with (if scum has a Role-blocker). That I was allowed pretty much free an unfettered reign at Night to kill given my stated in thread reads tells me the odds of SK being scum dropped greatly.

Have to run for now. Should be quite active in this game from here on out. Remember even though its day 2 we have already had 2 MLs. I strongly believe that the night kill/potentially day lynch mechanics may strongly favor the scum going forward. I very much believe this may be our last mislynch today so please treat this day as serious as you would treat a day 3 after 2 town lynches in a normal game.

Appeal to Fear (we have to treat this as if it is LYLO) noted. I’d like to see your support for the premise that the Day and Night lynch mechanics ‘strongly’ favor the scum from here on out. You have a Town read on CC’s slot, thus you should be believing his Double-Vote claim.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Players I would support for Executioner Today

– Vezok, Zang, Implosion

CC’s slot is also very much Town to me if his slot can prove he is a Double-Voter.

Players I would support for Execution (in rough decending order)

– Cosca, JasonT, Tragedy

Scumhunter I need to see more content from before I give him a full read.

[mallowgeno]

VC 2.2

Captain Corporal (1)-Captain Corporal
Implosion (2)-SleepyKrew, Quilford
Zang (1)-Zang
Scumhunter (1)-Scumhunter

Not voting (5)-
Vezokpiraka
MagnaofIllusion
jasonT1981
Iceguy
Tragedy

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to elect.

Deadline is August 31st.

[Cosca]

Also I believe it is what we call active lurking where you make posts that are of much less substance than your previous posts which is what we saw from you. You were around the thread and posted to prove as such, however what you posted was not what we would expect from you.

Ok, I’ve managed to give you enough room to distance yourself from this ridiculous stance as necessary. And you’ve clung to it so strongly despite being told by multiple sources it makes no sense.

Into the scum-pool with this slot.

So you're considering us scummy, even your top suspect, simply because we didn't immediately read you as town or leaning town, completely ignoring we already pointed out a later post from you mitigated our point? That actually makes you more of a suspect than everything else you've posted so far - you seem to be trying to get rid of that one guy who doesn't consider you conftown because you're MoI.

(Also, in general distancing oneself from a previous stance without cause is viewed as backpedaling and scummy. This allowed you to set up a no-win scenario where you could've called us scummy, no matter what.)

Every single scum knew that Codfish was a mis-execution. Why is Vezok the only culpable one? Because he got elected to pull the trigger?

Vezok coasted his way to the mis-execution. Every other scum apparently at least pretended to scumhunt, Vezok didn't post anything of value.

[jasonT1981]

I am working on a reply to your case on me, Cosca. But to pin everything on Vezo is not fair, he said he would go with the majority of the towns wishes on the execution and he kept his word on that one. It was not like it was an off the cuff, I am executing him whatever you say post. The majority wanted Cod killed and that happened.

If it was a normal game, he would have been lynched on votes for him.

[Cosca]

I am working on a reply to your case on me, Cosca. But to pin everything on Vezo is not fair, he said he would go with the majority of the towns wishes on the execution and he kept his word on that one. It was not like it was an off the cuff, I am executing him whatever you say post. The majority wanted Cod killed and that happened.

If it was a normal game, he would have been lynched on votes for him.

Our read of him has nothing to do with him being executioner. If this would be a normal game, we'd have called him out for exactly the same: lurking his way to the mislynch.

[jasonT1981]

not really, he was quite active D1, hardly lurking.

thats the 2nd person you have incorrectly accused of lurking

[Cosca]

not really, he was quite active D1, hardly lurking.

Read his posts. From the moment he was executioner, he only posted three scum reads without justification and gems like:

I see SK as misguided town that could be scum( neutral).

some setup speculation (mostly parroted from others) and several posts "I'm going to hammer real soon now", followed by the actual hammer. That's not content, that's appearing to provide content.

thats the 2nd person you have incorrectly accused of lurking

Please read the posts in this thread instead of skimming over them.

[Cosca]

In addition...

not really, he was quite active D1, hardly lurking.

thats the 2nd person you have incorrectly accused of lurking

Interesting post you have made here, Jason. Said something that was inaccurate but looked good so that you can turn around and say that we have misrepped someone multiple times. Sadly, once again, you're wrong.

Post 249 is when Vezok is made Executioner.

Starting from there, Vezoks' first two posts have to do with a 2 man list for execution, which is a bit meaningless, but alright I'll say that he wanted to be sure.

Next three posts are Vezok hammering it in that Codfish will die, and a post about roles from the last Execution Mafia.

Next post is a meaningless post "you can vote your scumbuddies at night because you're scummy!". However, it shows a contradiction as Vezok stated Chaos as his number 2 scumread, but now CC is confirmed scum/obvious scum? And fatlikeapig was his third scum read. Big contradiction here, we're talking about 27 hours between posts and all of the sudden everything has changed for Vezok without expressing any desire to lynch CC.

Next post vezok laughs at the breadcrumb insulting it. Then says CC is confirmed town if he's leader because there was a town leader last game?

Next post not too bad.

But then for the next 5 days Vezok posts nothing but "codfish gunna die" and the "last game didn't have it therefore this one doesn't either" card which is a rather foolish thing to say.

[implosion]

Page 18 and counting. Holy fuck is SK obv scum.

This post made me happy.

And I'm the slightest bit paranoid of implosion because I usually have a scumread on him almost every game so it worries me a bit that I'm thinking he's obv town.

Have we played in more games together than [REDACTED]?

quil's reads list tally is also going to be very useful once everyone's outed a reads list.

VOTE: implosion

[Zang]

Is there a read here everyone agrees on?

Can everyone post a reads list asap?

I wasn't able to answer this before but here are my reads.

Most likely Town-

Magna
Implosion

Leaning Town-

Vezok

Null-

jason
Captain Corporal
SleepyKrew
Tragedy

Leaning Scum-

Scumhunter
Cosca

Most Likely Scum-

Quilford

The top of each group is the most town in that group and the bottom is the least.

Why?

Like I said, it's just a preference

For those of you who think Zang is town. His quote walls really say a whole lot of nothing to be honest. At first glance it looks like he is saying things but really its mostly useless chatter to me anyways.

-Zang's first post of the game posts 4 scum reads. 2 of which are on people who haven't posted at all (even though he has a neutral section for "everyone else") That left me scratching my head.
-Zang's #4 makes sure to point out that "Cod isn't his top scum read". But at the same point he doesn't even bother to clarify who his top scum read is until asked later. I feel if I were being misrepped about who my top scum read was I would make sure to clarify and point out who my actual top scum read is.

So this qualifies you to declare me as scum? To me it seems pretty weak.
1.They both posted they just posted little.
2.I thought it was more obvious but I probably should have been more clear about my top scum read. I posted it in my first wall but it wasn't clearly stated. I group my reads in groups and then in those groups from most town to least town (or least scum to most scum). I added a note at the bottom of this read list though.

So you're considering us scummy, even your top suspect, simply because we didn't immediately read you as town or leaning town, completely ignoring we already pointed out a later post from you mitigated our point? That actually makes you more of a suspect than everything else you've posted so far - you seem to be trying to get rid of that one guy who doesn't consider you conftown because you're MoI.

It's not because you didn't declare him as town but because you said he was not which most of the town has agreed is not the case.

Vezok coasted his way to the mis-execution. Every other scum apparently at least pretended to scumhunt, Vezok didn't post anything of value

There was very little scumhunting needed at the end.

Read his posts. From the moment he was executioner, he only posted three scum reads

That's all he had to post and it's one more than he asked everyone else to post.

quil's reads list tally is also going to be very useful once everyone's outed a reads list.

What are your reads?

[Tragedy]

@Zang: Out of curiosity, what got you into thinking Scumhunter's partially leaning scum with a post of his reads? >:O

[Scumhunter]

Tragedy <3. Zang, answer that townie bisssssssssssh.

[Scumhunter]

Tragedy <3. Zang, answer that townie bisssssssssssh.

[vezokpiraka]

Town
MoI
SK
Quilford
Zang
implosion

null
Cosca
scumhunter
jason

scum
captain corporal
tragedy

Probably the ones who replaced fatlikeapig and chaos omega should be in the scum group but I don;t remember who they were.