Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[diddin]

So you faked watcher. And outed the vig. And then covered it up by guessing. There's no way you pulled BOTH the Binoculars and the Monkey out of your ass (don't take this out of context plz).

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

[Flavour Analysis]

Hey a useful question! I'll let down my block to answer...

I said it was a crackpot theory TO EXCUSE ANOTHER PLAYER AND STALL A LYNCH DAY ONE BECAUSE OF A TWO FACTION THEORY.

Rainbow said that if there were two factions Umbrage WAS NOT scum.

Fourseen could be scum, I just doubt it if there is one faction but I am not going to DIVERT a lynch because of a personal theory

Ok. What does that make Rainbow?

[diddin]

On another note... I start school again tomorrow. Which means I can't stalk the thread waiting for the minigame. Which means anyone who takes the power from me is SCUM.

[FourseenCircumstance]

I was gone to my camp without internet access and missed the whole minigame ....

I voted for deathnote becasue I believe if there is a real watcher then the person whose character is lenny should be the watcher. I just found it kinda strange that he cc'd my character claim but didnt cc the role claim.

[Flavour Analysis]

So how did you know Umbrage wasn't the real watcher?

[glowball]

Hey a useful question! I'll let down my block to answer...

I said it was a crackpot theory TO EXCUSE ANOTHER PLAYER AND STALL A LYNCH DAY ONE BECAUSE OF A TWO FACTION THEORY.

Rainbow said that if there were two factions Umbrage WAS NOT scum.

Fourseen could be scum, I just doubt it if there is one faction but I am not going to DIVERT a lynch because of a personal theory

Ok. What does that make Rainbow?

Um... Rainbow is obviously town. I don't like him very much right now- but he's town. I just disagree with his tactics.

[FourseenCircumstance]

I had no idea that umbrage wasn't the real watcher. I was going purely on gut and wanted the day to end so bad because I am a bored blue and I don't like sitting around and having long days so I then decided I would start a false claim campaign.

[Flavour Analysis]

So you were fine with lynching a PR that could have possibly been TOWN? Did you say you were bored YeSterday?

Also, why didn't you compete for the trivia or ask about it YeSterday?

Glowball

: Can you give me thoughts on Fourseen lynching a possible watcher without knowing if the claim was real?

[FourseenCircumstance]

I already answered that FA I was away at my camp and didnt have internet access at the time the trivia was posted

[Flavour Analysis]

Oh sorry I missed that. : D Thank you.

But you can still answer my first question, which is more important:

So you were fine with lynching a PR that could have possibly been TOWN?

[FourseenCircumstance]

I had no question that there was a slight possibility that he wasnt lying, but my gut told me he was faking the claim. So I went with my gut.

[glowball]

Under the impression that Fourseen is scum- there was no risk for him, he knew who was scum
Like I said before, if Fourseen is town he is blacklisted permanently for ridiculous play...

OH BTW... I was joking the other day when I said the whole lot of you would be blacklisted- actually I wasn't joking, but I was mad. Not serious. HOWEVER, Fourseen as town pulling this? DEFINITELY blacklisted

[Flavour Analysis]

Fourseen

: Ok, thank you. Do you usually use gut for your reads?

Glowball

: YAY : D Ah ok, thank you.

[SpyreX]

You old school mafiascum players are filled with soooo much arrogance I swear

Yes I am. If you want to call it arrogance to expect the town to play like a town should and scum to play like scum should.

At heart, you know what the biggest tool in the toolshed is for lynching scum? The truth.

That's the base of it. Looking at actual truthful motivations of a player and whether they align with "I'm trying to lynch scum." or "I'm trying to pretend to want to lynch scum."

THAT is the reason why you lynch liars. THAT is the reason why you're both dead in rapid succession. It honestly doesn't matter if you're town. You are a liability and you have to be purged. That is why "gambits" have to be carefully planned through and decided upon. You realize that all it would take would be one more derp move



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Based on the wording of the Broheim's post "There WILL be three mini games in the first four days" we could theoretically push this day fast and guarantee tomorrow to have a game.

[petroleumjelly]

Okay.

1.)

Despite FourseenCircumstance’s retraction of his Watcher claim, I do not believe it. I think he is indeed a Watcher – in part because he countered Umbrage on Day One, and in part because he has claimed an apparently accurate result of watching SodaSpirit17 and seeing FlavourAnalysis target him.

Right now, I am seriously wondering if the reason Umbrage claimed Watcher was in the hopes he could use a partner’s (such as FourseenCircumstance’s) results to confirm himself. This is easily done by having the partner with information simply code their results into their first post each game day. Because

seriously

– Watcher is just about the

most difficult

role to fake-claim accurately as scum. So if Umbrage was really trying to save himself – which right now I think he was, especially given that he was a Godfather – he wouldn’t have claimed Watcher without having the ability to back up his own fake-claim.

Still, what worries me is the fact that FourseenCircumstance counterclaimed Umbrage in the first place. But

if

there are two scum teams, then farside22’s post (linking to Mirror Mafia, where there were two different scum teams, each with a Tracker

and

a Watcher) could actually be what we’re dealing with. Scott Brosius was certainly generous with giving scum power roles in Simpsons Mafia.

I think the most damning thing is very clearly his Lenny the Binoculars claim, and retraction upon being countered. I believe that FourseenCircumstance is indeed the Cymbal-Crashing Monkey. (I haven’t actually seen Toy Story 3, but I looked it up after his claim, and the flavor fits

perfectly

with being a Watcher, as the Monkey apparently watched video cameras to catch toys trying to escape). And from everything I have read, the Monkey is probably scum, especially since Stinky Pete was scum.

Still, I am not going to vote right now because (i) I have not yet reread the game, and (ii) we don’t yet know if we’re going to get a prize today. On that note:

2.)

MOD

: On Day One, you gave out the prize when activity levels had dropped. But I think you should give out a prize when activity levels are high – to do otherwise promotes stagnation and dropped activity levels, just so we can get a prize. I’m pretty sure this is not the effect you are intending, but it will likely be result you end up with if you do not change the conditions for giving out a prize.

3.)

FourseenCircumstance, you just claimed that the “whole scumteam” was on your wagon, but earlier today your biggest three suspects were me, FlavourAnalysis, and Ray Montano. Of those three, only FlavourAnalysis is on your wagon. So who on your wagon is scum?

4.)

I frankly don’t know what to think about FlavourAnalysis. His explanation that he decided to leave a “fake breadcrumb” is sounding like a bunch of bullshit (and it is pretty much the only way scum could possibly get out of being caught breadcrumbing a role they did not ultimately claim). However, his claim of Woody is strong enough that I can’t see myself voting for him in the absence of a counterclaim. Right now I am seriously questioning if scum have fake claims at all. (But I will admit this would be strange, since Scott Brosius

did

give out fakeclaims in Simpsons Mafia, the last large themed game he ran).

Finally,

5.)

People need to stop directing Cops.

Feel free to direct Vigs, but directing Cops is just bad. This is a lesson I give to

newbies

in

newbie games

, and not one I should have to explain to supposed veterans in a large themed game.

It is completely random. The times/days for it have already been picked. I don't do it on a whim or when I feel activity is falling (it was just needless flavor the first time)

If a day ends before a game is supposed to be played, it will be rescheduled.

[TheJakalope]

Why are there people still not voting FourseenCircumstance?

Best Case Scenario

: HE IS SCUM, and we are one kill closer to winning.

Worst Case Scenario

: He is actually telling the truth, and he is a townie that lies about his role and is overall Anti-Town. (This scenario is HIGHLY unlikely)

[FourseenCircumstance]

YES FA I do usually use my guts as my read, unless I am a PR informationist and can get results at night and such. However; In this case I did in fact use my gut.


Petroleum you are going to be so very sad.
I believe FA is scum, I also believe that spryex is scum.

[farside22]

Rainbow made the 'two scum teams theory' when she was attacking Umbrage. She would do that as a scummate to leave a lack of connection to Umbrage being a VI who will die regardless. She also stated the 'double vig theory' which Peregine used to confirm Fourseen as town.

Umbrage stated that there was two scum teams and said something about the flavor up front. How does Rainbow catching that slip = scum connection? As for the other part I don't know why Rainbow thought double vig but I believe she stated that Soda looked scummy and could not see that as a mafia target.

You were having a hard time believing the watcher cc and called it null and called Fourseen a LOL player. You would say that to give support to Fourseen, while condemning me. You didn't really say why you were leaning towards me.

I have these moments with you were you come off scummy (example is your list looks more like self serving rather then scum hunting for whom you would shot) Fourseen claimed watcher who saw you target a player that is dead. I leaned on you because I have a your someone that gives me mixed views that I at times (see not always like 10% which is low) agree with and usually disagree with.

Yeah I need to work on my Glow reason I'm going to put that off till tomorrow night because I have to go back and find things I saw before and remind myself what all of it was.

As for your flavor. I don't see a gun and woody's belt and I see your list and the word sheriff woody and I start thinking about the movies and what makes sense in my head. Plus when you claimed (Glow beat me to stating it) It sounded like you had more then one shot which puts you on my someone to watch list. (not to be literal).

[petroleumjelly]

4.) I frankly don’t know what to think about FlavourAnalysis. His explanation that he decided to leave a “fake breadcrumb” is sounding like a bunch of bullshit (and it is pretty much the only way scum could possibly get out of being caught breadcrumbing a role they did not ultimately claim). However, his claim of Woody is strong enough that I can’t see myself voting for him in the absence of a counterclaim. Right now I am seriously questioning if scum have fake claims at all. (But I will admit this would be strange, since Scott Brosius did give out fakeclaims in Simpsons Mafia, the last large themed game he ran).

Been thinking about this some more. Even though it is completely idiotic, I guess I have to lean towards FlavourAnalysis purposefully making a "fake breadcrumb" given he claimed to have talked to chkflip about it before the game started. But God, that is just

so stupid

.

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Which leads me to something that quite clearly needs to be said by somebody:

The amount of claimed lying in this game (glowball apparently lying about her Bo Peep claim, FlavourAnalysis leaving "fake" breadcrumbs, FourseenCircumstances retracting both his Watcher claim and two rolenames) has seriously

got

to stop. This is just

dumb

. I am having a hard time trying to navigate through this junk. And yes, it is junk.

Lying is supposed to lead

directly

to scum. No questions asked. That's the whole point of catching somebody in a lie; it's pretty much the whole point of playing mafia to begin with. If any of you

seriously

has the mentality that it's "okay" to lie as Town if you are bored, don't like your role, or think you are in the right, etc., I am asking you as a person behind the player to rethink that policy, because it is very obviously bad.

And by the way, glowball, kindly

shut up

about calling players a "liability." You were the very first person to claim you lied about your own role, so you really have zero standing to call other players a "liability" for how they claim to play their own roles.

/end rant

[bobsnox]

Hey guys who should I shoot with my lasers tonight?

[petroleumjelly]

Hey guys who should I shoot with my lasers tonight?

WHY.

WHY.

I cannot remember the last time I've been so angry at a game. Why would you claim this? I want to just crumple this whole game into a tiny ball and throw it into a trashcan.

[glowball]

hey petroleum jelly, stop acting like you need to sort through anything. PEEK A BOO, I SEE YOU SCUMZ

[SpyreX]

PJ you're so arrogant GOSH

Seriously I still think DJ was scum but talking sense alone is gonna buy like 5 days easy with whats going on.

[petroleumjelly]

Hey guys who should I shoot with my lasers tonight?

Okay. Assuming you are claiming to be a second Vigilante here, and assuming we lynch FourseenCircumstance today, I would go with any of the following players:

1.)

chkflip

2.)

jmurph3

3.)

mikehart

4.)

Silver1337

5.)

TheJakalope

I couldn't really care less which of these you kill, because I don't have a hint of a read on any of them, and I'm kinda doubting I will get a read on any of them in the near future, either. In the end, though, you

should not

claim who you are going to kill (since that just lets scum plan around it).

[glowball]

Petroleum- I would like to say in advance that it sucks that you are a replacement. You seem like a great player and that list?! Sacrificing two of your own? LOVE IT. You play as if you aren't scum in the slightest. I wish you were here from the beginning it'd be more of a challenge