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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:09 pm

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Iecerint wrote:I have to admit that I hesitate on Vifam/Kerrigan partially cuz I wanna see if she can recruit me and give me simultaneous town and scum wincons. ^^

And there's KJScumenderrigan. Oh well.

I can reveal another piece of modtalk at this point. When I asked the Mod if the game had been advertised bastard,
he specified that the only kinda bastard-y role
was my own Duran role on the grounds that [REDACTED]. This weakly implies that giving someone only the Overlord name ala Vifam's claim is not very likely, since that would also appear to be a bastard-y move. However, this depends on what the Mod considers bastard-y.

He did NOT specify that my role was the only bastard-y aspect of the game
-- only that insofar as roles were a bastard element of the game, that bastard element was limited to my own role.

Maybe he's Kerrigan and he wasn't given a fakeclaim, or his fakeclaim was the human version of Kerrigan and he was afraid to claim it.

Iecerint wrote:Morthas, what do you think about my modtalk allusion in 414?

I friggin hate bastard-y games.
How would it be a bastardly move to give an inconsistent rolename to vifam?
I haven't noticed this before, but. Did you just claim traitor?
Also, bolded parts. Don't those 2 statements contradict.?
Explain the bastard part of your role, you just claimed traitor and give me a reason not to support your lynch?
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:22 pm

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Nope, I have not claimed traitor at any point. So I dunno what you're talking about there.

The first bold says that the only bastard role is mine. The second bold clarifies that there may be other bastard parts of the set-up, though those aspects are not roles. You seem to have gathered my point, which is that it would be bastardly to give an inconsistent rolename to Vifam, even if you frame it as a question.

I do not think it best to elaborate upon my role.

EDIT: Are you just using flavor to justify my being a traitor...? I'm quite aware of my character's role and the flavor in general, as my posts demonstrate, and I would've come up with something better if I were Duranscum. Also, there's clearly either fakeclaims, or the scum are unusual roles, so basing reads on flavor on its own is not likely to lead to good outcomes.
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:31 pm

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Iecerint wrote:
I have to admit that I hesitate on Vifam/Kerrigan partially cuz I wanna see if she can recruit me and give me simultaneous town and scum wincons. ^^


That pretty much claims traitor? + It would make sense with flavor.
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:37 pm

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I said that purely because of the flavor allusion + it's mod-confirmed that I will always have my town wincon regardless of any wincon modulation that may or may not happen.

He has also implied that more than one character is in a position to modulate my wincon (and maybe others' wincons, too -- not sure).
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:58 pm

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Iecerint wrote:I said that purely because of the flavor allusion + it's mod-confirmed that I will always have my town wincon regardless of any wincon modulation that may or may not happen.

He has also implied that more than one character is in a position to modulate my wincon (and maybe others' wincons, too -- not sure).

Cult Mechanic?
I want to hear more from Vifam.
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:11 pm

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He did not allude specifically to cults, no.

Basically, aware of my character's flavor as someone whose alignment is simultaneously basically unknown and all over the place (but decidedly scum-leaning), I decided to try asking DN whether my Town alignment was confirmed for the entire game or if it could be changed, since some Mods feel strongly about totally changing alignments and I thought I might be able to get confirmation on this, which would affect how I'd play. He clarified that I would always have my town wincon, even if my wincon were to change.

I followed-up by asking specific questions about possible changes that I don't feel comfortable elucidating, and his explanation implied more than one hypothetical wincon-modulator ("modulate" because I'd still have a Town wincon) might be in the game.

Emboldened by this, I asked further questions that led to the what-is-bastard type modtalk.
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:06 am

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So...Vifam, right?

Yeah.

Vifam.
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:19 am

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Vifam is 3 days 20 hours from posting her last prod dodge. She either gave up or is going to replace out. Pisses me off.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:37 am

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Meetings all day. I'm trying to get time to catch up and I will, just be patient for a few hours, guys.
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:43 am

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~Prodded anyone who has posted in the last three days. Deadline will be the 19th at 11:00 P.M. central time.~
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:58 am

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Iecerint wrote:Oh, neat.

Arcturus Mengsk is Valerian's father and the Emperor of the humans. He was portrayed with shades of grey in the original game, but became a boring Lawful Evil authority figure in the sequel.

GBE=SB is scum and/or Arcturus is scum in the game.


Well the PM basically says Arcturus is scum (or at the very least has a killing power). Given that nobody claimed him, him being scum seems a safe assumption.

What exactly is the case on Vifam? I went through the ISO, there pretty much isn't anything of substance there but it seems to be just lurking lately.
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:21 am

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Regarding his play, I do not really know the case. I think people perceived that his defenses of certain players was unnatural IIRC.

From my PoV, modtalk implies that only one character having a out-of-paradigm rolename is relatively likely to be a lie, so that's why I'm leaning to Vifam...
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:33 am

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Sorry, completely forgot about the game with school starting and stuff. Will have post up soonish
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:06 pm

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Iecerint wrote:Regarding his play, I do not really know the case. I think people perceived that his defenses of certain players was unnatural IIRC.

From my PoV, modtalk implies that only one character having a out-of-paradigm rolename is relatively likely to be a lie, so that's why I'm leaning to Vifam...

:goodposting:

Votes on Vifam before the deadline please
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:26 pm

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VOTE: killerjester
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:43 pm

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Well that's...hmm..what?

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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:59 pm

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These are my reads.

Absolutely town:

Psyche
Vifam
Scott Brosius
HellooNewman
KJ

Meh:

kiwi
Iecerint
Scooby

Why the fuck aren't these people dead yet?:

Morthas
rewq
ESPEONAGE

VOTE: ESPEONAGE


Why this isn't a wagon, I have no clue. He is the definition of opportunistic and fluffy, just ISO him.
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:02 pm

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Psyche is paying very close attention to details and his scumhunting is right on point.

SB's intro post is golden.

Vifam is the most misrepresented player I've ever had the fortune of playing with. His early game play shows nothing but misinformed, confused and scared town play.

Helloo's claim is awesome due to the timing, details and confirmability, and his play has been pro-active as well, which unfortunately, got a bullshit and opportunistic wagon placed on him.

KJ's a gut feeling, so this may change. I know absolutely nothing about the three in the middle, but rewq is the definition of active lurking, Morthas is opportunistic, and Espeonage is a great and delicious combination of both.

Am I missing something? If so, please let me know, I did a skim because I plan on sleeping soon.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:08 pm

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Espeonage wrote:
Vote: Vifam


BANDWAGONZ


Overdone RVS post. Obviously picking the weakest player out of the bunch.

Espeonage wrote:1. Nope. I'm just here for you.
2. Puppies are ok.
3. Alot
4. Sup


Not caring about his answers, too focused on other things other than providing information

Espeonage wrote:Well it's almost 9pm here.


fluff

Espeonage wrote:
Psyche wrote:
rewq455 wrote:
Vote:Morthas
for having three reasons for an RVS vote


Explain. Should he have more, or less? And why?


luuuuul. Psyche is town. But stupid.


attempt to look town, obvpsychetownlabeling town point scramble. attempt to put down his scumhunting ability as bad, when he's right.

Espeonage wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Morthas


opportunistic

Espeonage wrote:woah shit. Game is now on my bookmarks.



fluff

Espeonage wrote:Just got noobs in LoL so I have to wait 20 minutes at least before they forfeit after me leaving. (Seriously. They wanted Jax mid and bot to be the solo lane while WW was jungling. Idiots)

I'm not going to reread, that always ends in a bunch of IIoA. Instead I will look at current state of play. See who needs to be looked at and just comment and maybe iso.



attempt to justify lurking. fluff.

Espeonage wrote:
HellloooNewman wrote:
Unvote


I kept my vote on you as a test, to see how you would react.

You passed.


bullshit

Doesn't change that you're town just from that page.



attempt to look town

Espeonage wrote:
Vote: rewq



opportunsiticccccccccccccccccccccccc

Espeonage wrote:I'll help. Let me do my own thing for a bit. I'll let you know if there is anything going on my head that needs to be shared. I'll pull an all-nighter on the weekend. I'm more talkative when I'm tired.

And tbh, this game sucks pretty bad. As far as I can tell you guys are getting caught up in stuff that doesn't matter. I see two separate arguments about wording of posts which is stupid.



avtive lurkging

Espeonage wrote:Ok seriously. STFU ALL OF YOU.

Kiwi stop being a dipshit, Newman is town.

Go back, reread just a pae or two and look at your posts. Then look back at this one. Then look at Newman's most recent one. back at your posts. Look at me, and tell me you don't need to take a step back.

IF I HEAR ANYONE USE THE WORDS GRAMMAR, ROLE PM OR PROTOSS IN A CASE ABOUT ANYONE WHERE THESE WORDS AREN'T NEEDED I WILL NOT HESITATE TO VOTE THEM.

I remember why I started lurking this game -.-


trying to be the mediator and look town, nothing useful, actuvei lurkgijng

Espeonage wrote:Morthas != girl.

I'd be much happier with a rewq lynch tbh. And I've only read three pages.



fluff luff lfuflfuluflufl FLUFF

Espeonage wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Vifam



OPPORTUSNISTICCCCCCCCCCCCCC

Espeonage wrote:There was a mass nameclaim?

Matt Horner.



I KNOW IM OUTGUESSING THE MOD HERE BUT THIS IS A BAD CLAIM. I MAY NOT KNO ANYTHING ABOUT STARCRAFT BUT IF YOU PUT IN A BUNCH OF "EH COULD BE SCUM, THEYRE NEARLY VILLAINS" ROLES IN THE GAME AND THEN A HUMAN IN, AND THEN SPECIFY THAT THE CHARACTER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALIGNMENT, THIS IS A CLASSIC MOD META SWITCH AND MY GUESS IS THAT THIS SHITTY CLAIM MASKS SCUM

Espeonage wrote:Lol. I was actually scummy that game I'll admit. Actually that was a bad game.

Anyways, How am I too scummy to be scum this game?



LOL

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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:10 pm

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DeathNote wrote:
Thus the game begins with two missing in confirmation. They will be given 48 hours.

Day 1 ends August 16th at 10:00 P.M. central time. My last piece of advice for this game is this:

Do NOT assume you can outsmart me.
I have a reputation of placing not so evil characters as Mafia type roles. Flavor should mean nothing!!!!!!!


hell, look at this.

just

look at it

You fucks will unvote Vifam this very moment and vote Espeonage or so help me god
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:19 am

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Demonhybrid, I'd really like to lynch Vifam today. Your case on Espeonage is goodposting but not lynching Vifam because bastardmod (despite her scuminess) is idiotic. This is not outguessing the mod. This is common sense.

What is more likely?

a) lol, bastard mod put a unit in a characters game. (here you have to ask yourself why would you do something so useless as a mod?)

b) lol, scumbag fakeclaimed a unit name before all people claimed and all realized this was a characters game?

I think anyone with a brain can decide which is more likely without hesitation.

And that's not the only thing we have in the table to support Vifam lynch. We have Iecerint info, kiwi's theory, the fact that nobody has claimed a very important character of the game, the fact that Vifam is posting in other games and not in this one despite being prodded, etc, etc.

I think you are town, but here is a tip, don't ask us"fucks" to unvote Vifam quoting the "don't outguess the mod" clause when you outguessed the mod in your previous post.
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:22 am

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The suspicion on Vifam isn't that she's an Overlord ergo scum. It's that she's not comfortable with her fakeclaim and claimed something else. The main reason I feel good about this is my modtalk, which suggests there are no further out-and-out bastard roles.

The flipside is if DN doesn't consider the lone non-character role to be bastard, and that going outside of a fakeclaim is pretty rare, I think.

Espy I could see as scum.
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:23 am

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Vifam wrote:I've played SC Broodwar but everyone on ICCUP said I sucked at it so I figure I might as well drop it. :/

1. I liked Terrans
2. Goliath
3. What is this?

In terms of Vifam picking a random alternate fakeclaim, though, this information makes it harder to interpret why she'd pick that...
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:24 am

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I think there was some back-and-forth with KJ before she claimed, but all that shows is that she's definitely not toss IIRC.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:33 am

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To make it clear what Vifam claimed (since you dunno Starcraft, apparently), it would be like if this were a WW2 game and the roles were like this:

Iec: Hitler
DH: Stalin
kiwi: FDR
Morthas: Hirohito
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[as such for everyone]
...
Vifam: Spy plane, Watcher
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