Alright, caught up, and with tons to say. Given the amount of information there is, I am going to attempt to keep this concise. First things first, my reads before I woke up today.. AKA before anything with any cop claims:
Vezokpiraka - scummy
MagnaofIllusion - very scummy
jasonT1981 - not enough to go on
Zang - super town
Quilford - town
Scumhunter fatlikepig - town
SleepyKrew - scummiest
Cosca Iceguy kondi2424 - very town (by the way Cosca, you are awesome at laying out arguments.. if you are scum, I'm scared!)
implosion - super town
Tragedy ChaosOmega - generally town, but not enough to confirm
Main point: I suspected MOI might be scum from the beginning, and by page 28, was scared to approach how to get the town to believe this, because it generally felt like MOI was confirmed as town in most player's eyes. Main tipping point for MOI: why would anyone not want to be day executioner? Felt like a heavy plea to the town, and just trying to keep any accusations off. I have not agreed with most anything MOI has said, and in particular with the giant fiasco between him and Cosca.... Cosca made a decent case, and MOI just fell over board, felt like a scum player just pointing out a victim and just pushing where ever any case at all could be made.
And then I woke up today, and read... wow this game really is a mindfuck, implosion definitely has the right user name to be in this game hehe.
First:
Quilford mentioned the US documents for the first time on August 18th. CC mentioned US documents back in July, so Quilford has no claim on the word alone.
Stupid play on CC's fault.. could have been used for confirmation on someone otherwise, since I don't believe any scum would start out with a document.
Let's think about things on the grand scheme here: we will have 10 players alive tonight. One is town with two votes at night, mafia have two votes at night.
A. Assume scum die today, we had 3 scum: 4 votes for scum. 9 votes for town.
B. Assume scum die today, we had 4 scum: 6 votes for scum. 8 votes for town
C. Assume town die today, we have 3 scum: 6 votes for scum, 8 votes for town.
D. Assume town die today, we have 4 scum: 8 votes for scum, 8 votes for town.... well this is interesting... if there is a tie, mod confirmed that there is no kill, correct?
I believe there is a possibility that we have 4 scum, not definite, but possible.
If Quil turns out to Miller, then I can't possibly believe that we have a 4 person mafia, and we should be in situation C, and if Quil is mafia then we are either in situation A. or B... the cool thing is, assuming we stick together and vote well, town seem to have no problem keeping control of both the day and night kill.
Case that developed since the cop situation.
Cosca and MOI have epic battle.
SH claims guilty result on MOI.
Zang claims guilty on Quil.
Quil claims miller immediately.
SH backs off, says it was a fake, but was convinced MOI is scum.
What this means about Zang/Quil:
Zang definitely had a correct hit. Now that SH backed down, I see no reason at all to doubt any issues with sanity...
unless anyone else wants to claim cop now. This is a last chance call, after this I will be pressing hard for any cop claims after this to be executed.
Is Quil mafia or miller? 50/50 chance, no way to prove since CC mentioned documents first. I think it is possible that Quil is town, but not willing to risk the chance. If he is miller, there is no way I can see this as a 4 person mafia game, therefore killing Quil is best for the town.
My opinion on SH/MOI:
If SH is town, as I strongly believe he is, then I came in this game at the absolute perfect time. Honestly, when I started reading this morning, and saw MOI's posts, I was dead convinced that MOI was scum fooling everyone in town. He had the kill last night, and killed Fitz. When Fitz was alive, he was definitely low on my list to kill. But the town seemed so convinced, and there was even some mention of making MOI night kill again. If MOI got night kill, and I was the only one to stand up against him, then I suspected MOI would likely kill me.
And then....
SH claimed guilty on MOI. I didn't know if I believed SH, but still wanted MOI to die immediately because of it. It was a relief to see I was not the only one that thought that MOI needs to die, and I still believe that MOI should be killed in the night, after Quil, regardless of result on Quil, because MOI has a very scummy way about him. If asked for a case I will provide.
Point:
SH claimed a guilty on a player who seemed incredibly scummy, but felt like they had a high leverage on the town. I can understand why SH would do this as town, but could not understand why he would draw this light to himself as scum, given that the argument was between Cosca and MOI. SH is pretty much verified town to me.
Decisions:
Quil should die today. If not Quil, then I would kill MOI.
For night: I will vote for Implosion if Implosion agrees that MOI should die. Do you agree, Implosion? Otherwise I will look to create a block with SH and whomever else agrees that MOI needs to die, and form a group there.
Questions/Comments:
MOI: what was scummy about Fitz at all?
SK: So you did not know who gave you the papers, it just said they had been passed to you? Page 31, post #772 is the roleblocker thing I am talking about, please confirm what you meant if not a possible fake claim. Also, are you willing to claim as I have asked?
Implosion, Tragedy, Jason: can I see your general reads for all players?
Vezok: where are you? What do you think of today's happenings?
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