Execution Mafia: Days of the Cold War GAMEOVER

[Cosca]

If there were papers in scum's hands, they would be useless because they'd

never

pass them on. And if one of them came under suspicion they'd just pass it to the towniest member of their team!

Wait, so you do get that? Then why do you demand to be executed at night over day when it is obvious under that premise that papers are passed on through death? Are you intending to give papers to someone other than Zang whom town has insisted you give them to for quite a while now?

[Quilford]

If there were papers in scum's hands, they would be useless because they'd

never

pass them on. And if one of them came under suspicion they'd just pass it to the towniest member of their team!

Then why do you demand to be executed at night over day when it is obvious under that premise that papers are passed on through death?

I assumed scum is accounting for the possibility.

I really think that if papers were passed onto the killer, I would be told in my role PM.

I'll pass the papers onto Zang, then?

[Scumhunter]

Quilford, you can cling to this paper talk as a distraction tactic all you want but it doesn't change the facts:

-The uncc'd cop has a guilty on you.
-You claimed miller, which you would have claimed early d1 if you really were a miller.
-You are scum.
-Die.

Refusal for anyone to accept these facts I will consider blatant trolling.

[Cosca]

If there were papers in scum's hands, they would be useless because they'd

never

pass them on. And if one of them came under suspicion they'd just pass it to the towniest member of their team!

Then why do you demand to be executed at night over day when it is obvious under that premise that papers are passed on through death?

I assumed scum is accounting for the possibility.

I really think that if papers were passed onto the killer, I would be told in my role PM.

I'll pass the papers onto Zang, then?

So you think that a slightly bastard game would tell you that the papers were passed on death? I doubt they would in a regular game but this is Junpei talking and I'm not too sure what is normal and what isn't. Do you think the mod then would tell you what would happen if the papers were gathered? I feel like we can only assume that the papers transfer on death, as if they do not then scum can not have papers at gamestart. This would create a situation where everyone with papers claims early on and gives it to a town. Isn't it also possible that the papers trigger a

bad

event for the person/faction?

[implosion]

We are electing Zang for the night executioner. If anyone (scumhunter doesn't count) has any qualms about this, SAY SO NOW.

-You claimed miller, which you would have claimed early d1 if you really were a miller.

I've replied to this probably 5-6 times.

[implosion]

Okay, only twice. I guess it just feels like that much because you're completely ignoring it.

[Quilford]

If there were papers in scum's hands, they would be useless because they'd

never

pass them on. And if one of them came under suspicion they'd just pass it to the towniest member of their team!

Then why do you demand to be executed at night over day when it is obvious under that premise that papers are passed on through death?

I assumed scum is accounting for the possibility.

I really think that if papers were passed onto the killer, I would be told in my role PM.

I'll pass the papers onto Zang, then?

So you think that a slightly bastard game would tell you that the papers were passed on death? I doubt they would in a regular game but this is Junpei talking and I'm not too sure what is normal and what isn't. Do you think the mod then would tell you what would happen if the papers were gathered?¹ I feel like we can only assume that the papers transfer on death, as if they do not then scum can not have papers at gamestart.² This would create a situation where everyone with papers claims early on and gives it to a town.³ Isn't it also possible that the papers trigger a

bad

event for the person/faction?⁴

¹ I'll ask.
² Scum can lack papers at gamestart without them transferring on death.
³ What if scum have a recruitment mechanism? A roleblocker? What if the townie they elect to pass the papers to is actually scum? This would never happen in the first place because people with papers wouldn't think to claim - I certainly didn't.
⁴ They're U.S. papers. Does any claimed power role have any mention of their nationality in their Role P.M.?

[SleepyKrew]

CC and I also have papers of US nationality.

[Cosca]

if I have to read one more pointless wall of Cosca that is TL:DRed as "No U, I am right, you are wrong" I might have to pluck my eyeballs out.

As opposed to your lies and flimsy "cases", we actually have arguments based on facts. I understand why a scum player such as you doesn't want to read that.

Zang

- Make your execution decision and let's move forward.

Look who's trying to prevent his and his scumbuddy's case from being posted.

Zang should be the Night Executioner ... no questions asked. He's almost assuredly confirmed Town and no-one else is even close. Arguing against that is an exercise in claiming you are scum.

"Do what I say or you're scum!"

[SleepyKrew]

shut up

[vezokpiraka]

If there were papers in scum's hands, they would be useless because they'd

never

pass them on. And if one of them came under suspicion they'd just pass it to the towniest member of their team!

You can't pass them if we execute you now.

Also the papers could also be useful to scum. Like in Candy Zoo mafia.

[Quilford]

If we give them to scum, probably.

[Cosca]

The Great Wall of China

Please read the wall carefully. If you have any questions, ask them.

fatlikepig

fatlikepig was an inactive player; he only posted 8 times and most of them didn't contain a lot of content.

ISO #1:

• 1st paragraph pointless.
• Second paragraph waffling.
• Third "paragraph" is him saying "if I am about to commit a scumtell because I have not read the thread clearly then please don't kill me". He should know if his suspicions have been stated or not by now because he should be scumhunting through everyones' posts.
• His first point on Codfish is wrong because it is attacking something which Codfish clarified in his next post, which was 2 threadposts later and something fatlikepig had read.
• Second point is a reiteration of "you're buddying with SK" which has already been said.
• Third point is proof that he has read likely every post as he references a post that happens AFTER this post. Which means that he is reading ahead of the posts which mean that there is no reason to have posted his first or second point.
• Fourth point is fair enough. Being anticipative of the attack against you isn't a scumtell, it's a null tell I think.
• Sixth point is fine.
• Him not liking Quilford's logic on someone who is LEANING scum (note that he was unsure as stated at the start of the post, if anything you should have said he was waffling) and a neutral read isn't scummy.
• Ends with basically saying that Quilford is too insane to hold the insane power that is day execution.
  
  

• While I find Vezok's semi-contradictory "I support only MoI and myself" post somewhat concerning, I think we now have bigger leads than that.

  
  
  This would be the standard weak bus ("X is suspicious but we have better targets").

ISO #3:

• SK, I'm fairly sure MoI said that he didn't want to be elected executioner.

  
  Why care if you're not MoI?

ISO #4:

• Point 1 points out waffling vezok which SK pointed out in the
  very next post
  .
• Second point is a reiteration of a point from his last wall, and that was bad for reasons explained, and this is worse as it has happened later in the day.
• Third point is a total misrep, as he says first that Vezok was replying to Quils' thoughts on "everyones" reads.
• However he was replying to Quilford's response of MoI saying "holy freaking spam", which clearly was referring to the "capsraging".

ISO #5:

• Waffle thy name is fatlikepig's fifth ISO post.
• Says he finds Codfish scummy and no one else really.
• This is when I remember that he found Vezok scummy earlier.
• Says he gets "odd vibes" from implosion, no further explanation.

ISO #6:

• vezok asked why fatlikepig doesn't consider him scummy any more and fatlikepig responds he only questioned him and states "your VI reputation makes you null" although he actually did express suspicions.
• "Odd vibes" are clarified: because implosion considered the possibility Codfish could be town. Why is this an "odd vibe"?

ISO #7:

• Attacking CC for the breadcrumb, again sheeping other players.
• Likes an idea by vezok (suddenly trusting him although he called him a VI in ISO #6?).
• Notes that codfish has "slipped under the radar" (obvious and also mentioned by other players).

In retrospect, this earns him a

leaning scum read

which probably would've been upgraded to scum if he had continued posting.

Scumhunter

ISO #0

:

• Comes into the game at post 586, replacing fatlikepig as of Night 1.

ISO #2

:

• He says that he is at page 18 and that he finds SK obviously scum

ISO #3

:

• He gives us his reads, note that Quilford is at the
  very top
  of the list, MoI is null, and Zang is scum.

• His first paragraph says that he finds SK incredibly scummy as his actions don't have town motivation at all and SK has made a "
  veiled attack on like 10 different people
  ". Yet he is still "
  considering
  " the possibility that he is a townie. My first thought is that
  he thinks SK is cop, and when he goes to claim cop he needs to cover his bases in case he has to pull something like he did on the Zang claim
  .

• Next is a little interaction between buddies, stating something that has already been said and something about an SK read to show that he hasn't forgotten him.

• Zang is scummy for several reasons and Jason is scum for our case, finally he points out that execution mechanics favor scum here on out.

• He says he going to figure out the benefits/risks of the SK claim to see if he likes he, has he done so yet? No.

ISO #6

:

• After 2 fluff posts(hit post twice) he
  tells
  Quilford that tragedy is town because she is "always mislynch fodder". I find it interesting that Tragedy is a "
  very confident
  " town read when tragedy is his second
  weakest
  town read only more town that Vezok on that side of the dial.

ISO #7

:

• He's doing a little interrogation with MoI about the old point of not wanting to be day executioner, and then says that he would trust his ability to scumhunter, and die the next night phase just to have one shot of daykill. If this is true then why did he ever retract his cop claim?

ISO #8

:

• Waffles on his Zang read and asks why his predecessor was scummy.

ISO #10

:

• First bit stung to me that he was intentionally and consciously avoiding dropping the amished tell, scummy.

• He attacks SK again but I'm not sure why because he
  • 1) says the day needs to end soon and
  • 2) says he won't lynch SK today

• Uses meta to
  clear
  tragedy (lol) which seems like buddying to a townie to me.

• Hits MoI
  again
  , but says that MoI
  WONT
  be the execution today and that there are
  far
  better options.

• Also, very important for later:
  

  
  

  I'm not pushing for a MoI execution today,

  mainly because

  its possible he is town

  and will be useful as the game goes on (and also I doubt anyone but me would have the balls to make that execution today if given the power). That being said I think we would all be wise to strongly consider the fact that MoI is scum.

  There are far better execution options

  [Jason, SK, Zang]

  for today though.

ISO #13

:

• Prods SK hard to fullclaim. I really that he is planning to CC SK whom he thinks will claim cop.

ISO #14-#16

:

• Includes more Tragedy buddying and SK pointless argument.

• "
  Refusal to [give your reads on each slot] will be treated as a scum claim
  " yet SK
  didn't do this
  and Scumhunter still went on with his little gambit.

ISO #19

:

• Backs off of MoI

ISO #21

:

• Claims cop with guilty on MoI

• Gambit starts here
  . We don't know why it was started at that point because there was relatively little pressure on MoI at this point. The timing could've been agreed in advance, another possibility we were considering was: Since MoI coached jason early in the game (see MoI analysis afterward), scum does not have daytalk. During night, they prepared the gambit and agreed to start it when MoI's under fire, so when we started attacking MoI for his flimsy scum case, Scumhunter started the gambit.

ISO #23

:

• Says he's willing to die
  TODAY
  to have MoI killed during the night. Fakeclaiming cop VT wouldn't do that
  at all
  , if he died then town wouldn't kill MoI.

• Puts Quilford on the "
  do not lynch under any circumstances
  " list. Funny how now he is flailing to have his top town read hang to save his own VT skin.

• Backs off of SK, says again that Zang is scum.

• Says that
  executioner votes only may go to him or MoI today
  . That is a huge scum gambit motivation right there.

ISO #24

:

• Says that he listed MoI as neutral to better gauge town reads to MoI. That really makes no sense to me at all

.

• Says that scum never attack their partners (lol ironic).

ISO #25

:

• Scumhunter says that his motivation makes no sense as scum because HE wouldn't die. The whole point is to give MoI enormous amounts of towncred, and we don't know what roles the coven might have.

• Says that he is a cautious player and that is his town tell despite earlier saying he'd go guns blazing at his scum reads with the execution vote
  even if he died at night for missing
  .

ISO #27

:

• Still saying that MoI is 100% scum. Scumhunter is flailing around in this post, he says that MoI is scummy for turning it into a 1 on 1 me or him executioner vote path, when scumhunter himself
  AGREED AND SECONDED THE NOTION.

ISO #28

:

• Scum motivation is to bus MoI, get yourself killed, and give MoI tons of towncred.

ISO #32

:

• He blindly follows the cop claim and his guilty, so much for trusting your own reads like you earlier said, eh?

ISO #36

:

• Asks to see if Zang will kill Quilford over him (read as: if I support you do I get out of this thing alive?).

ISO #38

:

• MoI is still scum, voted Zang for execution in 37.

ISO #41

:

• "
  You're forgetting, the part where I'm town and Quilford is scum
  ". Such a compelling argument and such a huge turnaround from his read who was previously not to be lynched under any circumstances.

• Oh and now he's asking MoI "
  if thou art town please save me
  " and since they're scumbuddies that means "
  dont save me, I'm going down
  ".

A

ton

of AtE then..

ISO #47

:

• Retracts cop claim and claims VT

.

• Felt that MoI was so scum that he would be worth claiming guilty on as cop instead of making a case on him like we did.

• So much AtE and bs in this post that it isn't worth reading a second time.

I'm going through the ISO and there is a

ton

of AtE and little

content

... It just keeps going and going and going. "

AtE! AtE! AtE is not a scum tell! Bad play is not a scum tell! Not all fakeclaimers are scum!

"(but all uncced cops are real, all miller claims are false and all guilties are real?).

ISO #82

:

• Hurry up someone hammer Zang so I can be done with this shit game.

  
  
  If Scumhunter was merely a fed-up townie, he'd have either called for implosion's hammer (since implosion has
  pledged to execute him
  ) or anybody's hammer. However, he
  specifically
  requests a Zang hammer, although Zang stated he would also be OK with a Quilford execution (although he prefers Scumhunter)

ISO 84

:

• Buddies to Lain for finding him town.

ISO 85

:

• Throws more suspicions out saying that Zang could be gambiting scum when he just said that there's no reason that he would be gambiting scum.

ISO #88

:

• Admits
  he'd try the gambit!

So much emotional appeal "

I'm town!

", so little arguments and scumhunting.

Lots of SK hate, lots of "

I'm a moron, so are you for not believing me

".

ISO #107

:

• "
  WOW ZANG YOU DONT BLINDLY FOLLOW GUILTIES LIKE A PRO? YOU MUST NOT HAVE THE FUCKING BALLS TO DO IT!
  ". AtE harder, this is not the post of an
  experienced
  Mafia Town player that Scumhunter claims to be.

ISO #108

:

• He trusts ML more than Zang now. Maybe because ML won't kill him at night?

A lot a lot a lot of defending the same points and attacking Quilford/SK, and using AtE to form his case. Scumhunting it practically not relevant to his ISO now.

We do not believe he is town for his MoI change of opinions (if he's so convinced MoI is scum that he needs to fakeclaim as town, why didn't he post it from the beginning?) and his specific request of a Zang hammer. And then there is the gambit.

MagnaofIllusion

ISO #1/#2

:

• 
  

  First – don’t elect me Executioner

  . I’ve surveyed the playerlist. There aren’t nearly enough players whose scum-hunting I trust that I would agree to listen to the Town as a whole. .

  
  Or, to rephrase, "
  You all suck, I'm the greatest
  ."

• The rest are basically attacks on the usual scummy-looking players, i.e. SK, Codfish and Captain. Nulltell at this point; it is however interesting he's defending vezok and jason, listing them as his #2 and #1 townread, although both of them have contributed
  very little
  so far.

ISO #6

:

• 
  Jason you were on a hot streak there in providing quality posts with content. Don’t backslide into fence-sitting like this and make me question my Town initial read on you.

  
  Notice how he in the rest of the game
  never
  "warns" a player he might question his town read on him, he either changes his read or doesn't mention it at all. The reason he does this here?
  He's coaching his scumbuddy jason
  .

ISO #7

:

• Contains his scum reads SK, Codfish and Captain again.

ISO #8

:

• Suddenly, havingfitz also goes on the list:
  

  You are annoyingly pretentious. You don't think enough of the people you play with to follow their opinion/wishes if you were to be elected executioner but you have no problem doling out instructions "in case" you die before Day 2 start.

  
  
  Oh how quaint. So NO OTHER INPUT? Like who is scum.
  
  Nice.
  
  

  @Quil

  - Throw having on my "Would like to see Executed list" if you are updating that list still.

  
  Why this sudden attack on a player who
  has just returned from V/LA and posted little
  ? MoI starts noticing he's going to run into a problem.
  • He knows it's
    very likely
    vezok will be elected day executioner and kill Codfish
  • and MoI will be elected as night executioner.
  • With his scumlist SK, Codfish and Captain he can only explain away a kill on SK and Captain.
  • But since
    both of them appear scummy, he'd like to keep them alive as long as possible
    .
  • So he needs another victim.

ISO #12

:

• MoI defends jason against IceGuy after he has noticed his strange fence-sitting regarding Quilford.

ISO #12/#13/#14

:

• MoI and IceGuy talk about IceGuy's night strategy. Note how MoI states:
  

  
  Your logic is borked.

  
  To which IceGuy replies:
  

  
  Yes, it is, because I was thinking of normal day voting, and I didn't take into account that the Night Executioner isn't voted by majority but by plurality. So yeah, my strategy wouldn't work.

  
  
  From this point on, MoI ignores the strategy and does not reply to IceGuy.

ISO #22 onwards

:

• He starts building up heat on havingfitz to prepare his night execution.

Day 1 ends, Day 2 starts.

ISO #31

:

• 
  Given my explicitly stated reads (as discussed below) the fact that I got control of the Nightkill means the likelihood that multiple scum were in that read group is pretty much nil.

  
  Wait a minute here. During N1 executioner voting we were down one townie. Assuming a town doublevoter, no scum doublevoter and three or four coordinated scum, that's
  10:6 or 9:8 for town.
  
  
  Why is he so sure that scum voted for him
  ? Does he know
  something
  about night voting we don't know?

• Also answers to our lurking accusation.

ISO #32

:

• This is where it becomes interesting.
  

  
  Ok, I’ve managed to give you [Cosca] enough room to distance yourself from this ridiculous stance as necessary. And you’ve clung to it so strongly despite being told by multiple sources it makes no sense.
  
  Into the scum-pool with this slot. Iceguy’s “Hey why should we agree on the Night-executioner” “Oh wait, nevermind” two step put you on my radar Day 1. This combined with your stance that Vezok is scummy qualifies you for my ‘Approved Execution’ list.

  
  Is somebody else reminded of the havingfitz attack in
  ISO #8
  ? He takes a player that has neither strong town reads by most of the players (to avoid resistance) nor strong scum reads (because they're going to get executed anyway) and invents a reason for why they're scum. It's exactly the same pattern.

• Also, he immediately attacks Scumhunter.

ISO #33

:

• We have become his top scumread after jason (with no explanation - the usual "
  <Scumbuddy> is also scum, but we need to focus on <Townie> now
  " bus) and Tragedy (since she was in a similar situation as we were, few strong town or scum reads, she's the alternative planned misexecution.)

• We will not discuss MoI's attacks on us in detail here, but will focus on other aspects of his play.
  For a detailed discussion of his attacks, see the next section.

ISO #34

:

• More Scumhunter attacks. Notice how Scumhunter is still not in his execution list although we got the top space for nothing.

ISO #35

:

• Again, Scumhunter attack and a small attack on Tragedy, to prepare for the gambit (
  see following
  ).

ISO #36

:

• Finally, Scumhunter takes up his place in the execution list, still after us.

• Tragedy gets removed because
  

  
  I've removed Tragedy due to the buddying displayed by Scumhunter. I can't see them as scum together and I have a stronger read on Scumhunter at this juncture than Tragedy.

  
  
  Read
  :
  If the gambit goes the other way and MoI gets lynched and flips scum, Scumhunter will be seen as confirmed town and MoI's attacks on us will also prevent our execution. In this case, a Tragedy mis-execution can be pursued
  .

ISO #39, after Scumhunter's fake cop claim

:

• ATTENTION EVERYONE

  - It is him or me today. Not other Executioner votes are going to be acceptable at this juncture.

  
  The gambit is now in full swing. If we had proceeded as MoI wished, there would be two outcomes:
  
  • (likely) MoI gets elected as day executioner and executes Scumhunter. Scumhunter flips scum thereby semi-confirming MoI as town. MoI gets elected night executioner because of this and can execute us.
    
  • (unlikely) Scumhunter gets elected as day executioner and executes MoI. MoI flips scum thereby semi-confirming Scumhunter as town. Scumhunter gets elected night executioner and can find a suitable mis-execution, for instance Zang, whom he found very scummy despite many others finding him to be town.

ISO #41

:

• After being pressured by implosion for his "him-or-me"-stance he retracts:
  

  
  Ok, perhaps in my quick reply last night before bed I didn’t phrase it as clearly as I should have.
  
  No other votes for WHO to be executed are acceptable.

• Also, it's turning out better than expected. The town cop is now not only out, he also has a guilty result on somebody else. Of course, Scumhunter (or MoI) is still doomed, but he sees a good opportunity to
  postpone the kill to the Night, therefore having an extra two votes for a scum night executioner.
  
  

  
  I support Zang for Day Executioner to kill Quilford.

ISO #56

:

• 
  

  Zang

  - Make your execution decision and let's move forward.
  
  Zang should be the Night Executioner ... no questions asked. He's almost assuredly confirmed Town and no-one else is even close. Arguing against that is an exercise in claiming you are scum.

  
  
  MoI is trying to stifle discussion (he knows that a wall from us is upcoming and he tries to suppress it by ending the day know) and tries to pressure all of us into voting Zang, knowing Zang will kill Quilford.

MoI's "case" on us

Here is a full summary of all the allegations MoI has made against us:

• ISO #32
  :
  
  • 1. MoI was showing much less activity then he usually was, and we called him out on that. After he made a content post, we retracted our suspicion and agreed this post was enough to satisfy our activity requirements.
    
  • 2. IceGuy made a mistake and thought the night executioner was elected by majority voting, not plurality voting. He therefore thought up a scheme which would have lead to the exposure of at least one scum player.
    
  • 3. Vezok posted fluff and we called him out on that.

Please note MoI has never called us out for

2

. or

3.

before this, although they happened much earlier.

• ISO #34
  :
  
  • 4. We cut out a piece of his quote irrelevant to our current argument. And then he did
    exactly the same thing
    in the process of calling us out for that.

• ISO #37
  :
  
  • 5. After
    4
    ., we posted that MoI did
    exactly
    the same thing he accused us of doing. He claimed this was scummy because we turned his accusation back on him.
    
  • 6. We summarized MoI's allegations against us and he claimed we did it in a way "
    completely to favor us
    ". His "
    arguments
    " against our summary (reproduced here verbatim as
    1.-3
    ., only in a different order) can be summarized as "
    You are wrong and I am right
    ", for instance claiming vezok wasn't active lurking or that IceGuy didn't post such a plan, without actually showing this or posting quotes to support his claims (which he couldn't, as they didn't exist).

• ISO #38
  :
  
  • 7. We changed our Scumhunter read because he committed a scum-tell (reading his predecessor's posts). MoI claimed we changed the read without justification.

• ISO #44
  :
  
  • 8. He ignores our arguments and calls us scummy because don't want to execute Quilford immediately, but rather a player who's actually behaved very scummy.
    
  • 9. Similar to
    7.
    , he claims we "backtracked" on our Scumhunter read after "pressure began to build on him", although we already posted we changed our Scumhunter read because of the scumtell, and there was no pressure except for MoI's gambit preparing posts.

• ISO #47
  :
  Repeat of
  8
  .

• ISO #50
  :
  
  • 10. We didn't want Zang as an executioner because we thought he'll be the scum's useful idiot. MoI claimed this is scummy because Zang is
    "confirmed town
    ".

• ISO #51
  :
  Repeat of
  9
  .
  
  • 11. This "argument" is so stupid, I can't even summarize it. Here is the original text:
    

    
    

    If Scumhunter was merely a fed-up townie, he'd have either called for implosion's hammer (since implosion has pledged to execute him) or anybody's hammer. However, he specifically requests a Zang hammer.

    
    
    Look who isn’t reading the thread. Here’s Zang’s latest pronouncement on the subject (from ISO 44)
    
    

    It shouldn't change anything though. We either kill scumhunter or quilford today and the other tonight.
    
    I would prefer scumhunter today because of his fakeclaim and just in case Quilford has papers that he is willing to pass on.

    
    
    When you don’t have to read the thread to know who the scum are (aka your Partners) it is tempting to skim and make up crap to support your ‘position’, isn’t it?

• ISO #52
  :
  
  • Repeating
    9
    ., again, completely ignoring what we wrote in response the first two times it came up.

• ISO #53
  :
  
  • 12. MoI claimed we used the word "traitor" first, which makes us scum looking for our traitor. Actually, "traitor" was used
    much earlier
    both by us
    and
    implosion, and a traitor was present in the first Execution Mafia.

• ISO #54
  :
  Repeat of
  12
  .

• ISO #55:
  
  Repeat of 12., again ignoring what we wrote.

It should now be clear that MoI's case is

simply pure bullshit

, and we have already given an explanation why he concocted this bullshit.

There is no pro-Town reason for continuously inventing scumtells

(in both senses of the word -

claiming something that happened was scummy when it wasn't, such as 10, or claiming something scummy has happened when it didn't, such as 7

).

MoI is scum. There is no other explanation for his actions. Period.

[SleepyKrew]

tl;dr

[vezokpiraka]

Shut up Cosca.

You are bad at this game. Just shut up.

[SleepyKrew]

lol

[Scumhunter]

Fairly impressive tunnel Cosca. You should consider being an architect. There is one flaw in your argument. You are basing your train of thought on the presupposition that I'm scum. Your argument insists upon itself and if you look at the real heart of it, the case boils down to you not believing my motivations for my actions. Can't do much more to convince you than I already have, but you are wrong about me and you would do well to reconsider cases and read my iso with the idea even for a second that I'm definitely town and see if my actions make sense then.

[SleepyKrew]

Zang, execute him and end this.

[Scumhunter]

In other words, all your reads are explained from the pov that MoI and I are scum partners somehow (which is just such a stupid theory really..I've explained why so many times now, but yea you have me written off for scum so you aren't listening to what I'm saying). You are taking any comments you can find from me or MoI and using them to fit to your case. Its logical fail. Looking back to find quotes to support your hunch is bad. You will see what you want to see and find evidence to supprt whatever hunch you have doing it that way. Lesson to learn. For the record, Cosca, I think you are town, I also think MoI is scum. His absence at this critical juncture of the game is noted. He's find letting town implode upon itself here, kill me, and then swoop in on the attack against you tomorrow Cosca when I flip town. I hope you aren't blindsided by that when it happens.

[SleepyKrew]

MoI is V/LA on weekends...

[jasonT1981]

Fairly impressive tunnel Cosca.

Hardly tunnelling as he is going after MOI too

[Scumhunter]

hes tunneling on an idea. The idea that me and MoI are both scum together which makes close to 0 sense. MoI was practically confirmed town in most peoples pov BEFORE i faked my report. The idea of that being a gambit is a very very far out idea tbh

[Scumhunter]

i dont care that hes v/la on weekends. even when he was here late last week MoI was just taking a back seat and not being engaged in the game. i still say he's scum. (omg super pro bus going on right here!!)

[mallowgeno]

Mod is back. Reminder that deadline looms...

[SleepyKrew]

Hey ML, why did you decide to reveal that CC had passed on your papers? I'd like to see the thought process behind this.