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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:46 am

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Flavor inconsistencies is just the cherry on the top of the cake of scuminess Vifam has done since DAY FREAKING 1.
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:59 am

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DemonHybrid wrote:Frank and scooby, since you obviously don't get it,

Espeonage claimed a different character and flipped a different Mafia character.

Vifam CLAIMED OVERLORD. WHY WOULD SCUM CLAIM OVERLORD WHEN SCUM HAS A FAKE CLAIM

SERIOUSLY WHY DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH VIFAM

THAT IS STUPID.

This much is a good point about Vifam. The theory we were working from IIRC is that Kerrigan is her own fakeclaim and she got spooked.
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:10 am

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scooby wrote:
ooba wrote:Lol. I'm not moving my vote from Morthas.

The fact that you're pushing a Vifam lynch solely on flavor when the game was advertised as bastard-flavor is fail. It's a red herring role and he will flip town. Do what you want.

Tell me, Mr. ooba.

WHAT IS THE FUCKING PROTOWN THING VIFAM HAS DONE THE WHOLE GAME?

Seriously, go ISO HIM.

This is not a fucking LYNCH for flavor. This is a lynch for DIESCUMDIESDUMSUCKDIESCUMDIE.

DemonHybrid wrote:Frank and scooby, since you obviously don't get it,

Espeonage claimed a different character and flipped a different Mafia character.

Vifam CLAIMED OVERLORD. WHY WOULD SCUM CLAIM OVERLORD WHEN SCUM HAS A FAKE CLAIM

SERIOUSLY WHY DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH VIFAM

THAT IS STUPID.

It's pretty CLEAR Vifam is not scum with Espeonage, specially since Vifam hammered without a claim. We don't know for sure he has a fakeclaim but what we know is that she is SCUMMY as fuck.

Seriously, this is fucking ROAD TO ROME or what?


If you know that scum has fakeclaims, you can be sure that "cult" (I still laugh at the fact that that term is being used in this game) has a fakeclaim and wouldn't be forced to fucking claim overlord.

Frank's only case is "LOL HE CLAIMED OVERLROD LYFNFHF HUISHFIOSHFUSHI"

You pointed out some more things, but that may just be dumb play.

Does no one do nightkill analysis nowadays or what
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:12 am

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KillerJester suspected Mothas, Vifam, and one other suspect I can't recall. There are no useful or interesting omissions or inclusions re: his suspect list AFAICT.

His kill can also be justified as doctor paranoia or watcher paranoia.
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:02 am

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Sorry death in family, birthday approaching, running around. Should have something up tonight for real this time.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:31 am

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How often do I need to point out that you lack sufficient information to do proper night kill analysis, demon? And when in doubt, night kill analysis is just WIFOMish and bad.
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:43 pm

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Actually, I think scum almost always go for the non-WIFOM kill these days being that no one does NK-analysis anymore. So it's a decent tool, especially early on in the game, though you have to be wary of other factors (e.g. was the dead player just an obv leader, in which case he didn't necessarily have to be correct in the short term, etc).
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:49 pm

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Alright so a grand total of nothing has happened since I have left. With scum having fakeclaims, I do not understand why Vifam's claim is such a big deal. Again, apparently flavor does not make sense (and I am clueless about) but wouldn't scum having fakeclaims almost make Vifam more town than anything else. His play has certainly been less than stellar but having such an odd role would lead me to believe that it's not a fakeclaim. Especially when the mod said don't try and guess the flavor.
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:56 pm

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Vifam is not scum with Espe. Near 0% chance.

He is 3rd party at worst.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:56 pm

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And I think it's probably a nice third party at worst.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:57 pm

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Granted, lynching nice 3rd parties ain't all bad BUT it ain't ideal innit.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:53 am

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DH is defending her scumbuddy imo
after we lynch vifam or morthas (id rather get zerg scum than terran, since we already hit one terran)
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:04 am

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Night kill analysis only works if you are sure that you know how many killing parties/roles there are, if you can reasonbly be sure that no kill was redirected and if you can match the kills with the parties. I have doubts about any of these points after only one night.
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:07 am

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Easily could have been a doctor save. Kerrigan is definitely in this game as scum. Is the Overmind scum with her? We shall only see. I feel like we should save morthas for later on, in case they have a "be the last scumteam alive" win condition
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:31 am

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Making Kerrigan an anti-scum 3rd party would be more relevant to the recent direction of the series.

Vifam didn't claim to be the Overmind -- he claimed to be an Overlord.
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:36 am

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Furcolow wrote:DH is defending her scumbuddy imo
after we lynch vifam or morthas (id rather get zerg scum than terran, since we already hit one terran)


Shut up. We went through all of this.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:36 am

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Furcolow wrote:Easily could have been a doctor save. Kerrigan is definitely in this game as scum. Is the Overmind scum with her? We shall only see. I feel like we should save morthas for later on, in case they have a "be the last scumteam alive" win condition


"overmind"

Lol, you don't even know the claim that you're voting over :lol:
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:40 am

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can someone plz hammer so then I can tell DH "i told you so"
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:51 am

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kiwieagle wrote:can someone plz hammer so then I can tell DH "i told you so"


No, it'll be more like I told YOU so.

THE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE SENSE WITH A CULT

I am LITERALLY just banging my head against the desk here. You know what's funny about this whole situation? There could be a Kerrigan AND SHE COULD EVEN BE TOWN

And why is that? Because DeathNote SPECIFICALLY SAID that ANY character could be ANY alignment and I'm betting that with 1. The Overlord claim and 2. despite the fact that scum have fakeclaims.

Could Kerrigan even be aligned with Mengsk? YES. THAT IS POSSIBLE.

Could Infested Kerrigan be town? YES. THAT IS POSSIBLE.

With that in mind, WHY WOULD VIFAM CLAIM A SCUMMY NAME IF SCUM HAVE FAKECLAIMS?

NONE OF YOU ARE LISTENING. THIS IS DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMBDUBMDUBMDUBMDUBMDUB DBUM.
DUMB.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:53 am

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Seriously, if there's an Overlord, it could be any alignment. If there's a Kerrigan, Infested or not, it could be

say it with me

ANY ALIGNMENT

you guys are going off the confirmation bias that I and Iecerint have information that wincons can change DESPITE THE FACT that alignment changing in regards to -cult-
has not been confirmed or hinted to at all
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There can be alignment changing WITHOUT cult.

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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:57 am

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You know what IS possible? A recruiting NON-CULT third party (like a 1-shot recruiting survivor/SK or something). I can SEE that happening. We don't have enough NK information to confirm or deny that at the moment, but it's a possibility and FUNNILY ENOUGH

FUNNILY ENOUGH

NO ONE HAS BROUGHT THAT UP.

But WHY WOULD THAT PERSON BE VIFAM, CLAIMING AN OBVZERG NAME

CHRIST PEOPLE YOU MJADE ME DO STARCRAFT RESERARCH FOR THIS.

If MENGSK HAD A FAKECLAIM, THEN WHY WOULD ANYONE

even someone as inexperienced as vifam

TAKE THAT CHANCE AND RISK THEIR WINCON OVER A STUPID DECISION

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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:59 am

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I doubt Kerrigan is town, unless she became town last night, and she probably would've claimed it if that'd happened. If I'm mistaken: TOWN LIARS ARE BAD.
DH wrote:You know what IS possible? A recruiting NON-CULT third party (like a 1-shot recruiting survivor/SK or something). I can SEE that happening. We don't have enough NK information to confirm or deny that at the moment, but it's a possibility and FUNNILY ENOUGH

FUNNILY ENOUGH

NO ONE HAS BROUGHT THAT UP.

Actually, I've alluded to that several times.
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:59 am

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BUT HERE

UNVOTE, VOTE: VIFAM


I'LL JOIN YOU FOR THE STUPID PARTY AND EAT DUMB CAKE AND DRINK DERP TEA

I don't CARE who it is
as long as Morthas DIES


And if Morthas does not die either today or tomorrow I am goinng to just jfiogwajfiwjaiofaiejgehevrguihdghihiulghdi

and you do NOT want me to oipafjpoasjfoisajfisaugdiuhiighiudgifghidfs.

Preview edit: Have you? Which posts? I probably missed them in a readthrough o_o

Alluding and stating are two different ballgames by the way, so I need to know.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:00 am

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Unvote
so that I can hear this.
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:08 am

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I have not specifically argued SURVIVOR OR SK, but I've argued 3rd party recruiting role.

The basis for this is that the Zerg in general and Kerrigan in particular can infest or hybridize other organisms in-universe AND we know that wincon modulation can happen AND I agree with your point about the size of this game AND Kerrigan had BETTER be in a Starcraft-themed game.
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