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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:48 pm

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I wish nobody had voted at all in order to flummox the mod.

Oh well.
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:51 pm

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Darox, your thoughts about the game please.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:03 am

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Why can't you be a future roleblocker who blocked MoI night 1?

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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:04 am

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What would blocking MoI night 1 do?
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:06 am

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Also.

Is a two man scumteam in a thirteen player setup with a SK and a fuckload of Town PRs where one of the scumteam's members has the ability to get in a 50/50 lynch balanced?

I think not.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:11 am

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It would make MoI be telling the truth about being roleblocked night one.
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:12 am

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MoI is lying about being roleblocked night one?
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:49 am

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Quilford wrote:MoI is lying about being roleblocked night one?


The only way I can see you not knowing what hes talking about here is if you straight up didn't read the thread. (which fits nicely with how manufactured everything feels with regards to your read on me).
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:54 am

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I haven't read the entire thread, no.

Now you can also explain why my read sounds so manufactured.

I still need answers to all the other requests for information that have been made.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:57 am

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I know, but thats a lot of -work-, and reading/making quick posts is much less -work-, so expect that stuff like ~12h from now.
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:07 am

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@Darox- you still want your details, because unless your the last mafia who is just plain sadistic, the game will either be won or lost with this vote.
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:47 am

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The answer is "MoI is past scum" which is really hard to justify, or "Peregrine did it" but lol too late for that.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:21 am

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Peregrine did what?

Who are you leaning towards as scum, and why?
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:24 am

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Everybody.

But mainly you and Quilford.
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:30 am

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Well, why Quilford?

What about Quilford's posts about Chamber?

If I were scum, I would have ended the game days ago. If I were scum now, I would vote either player and win.

Given that it won't happen that way, and you haven't ended it either, it stands to reason that one of Quilford or Chamber is the last scum.

That being the case, why Quilford? And, why Chamber?
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:36 pm

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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:50 pm

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Can you point out which of Entanglement's posts were yours?
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:16 pm

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Quilford wrote:Town again:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=16903 <--- Open 292

Basically an entire game in which I fail at logic. Crazy even made this comment about me regarding the game:
"I've played with Quil-town before and he was much more passionate and aggressive than he is here,
even if his logic was slightly off on occasion.
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Not reading an entire game right now, can you be more specific.

Quilford wrote:Okay, here's me logical failing as town:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3200722 <--- Mafia Invictus

I suggest all people with a certain ability out themselves, not taking into account that doing so means scum can kill people without fear of being vengefully killed.


Quilford wrote:Town:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3245823 <--- Open 316

Asking for counterclaims
to vigilante in an Open setup
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Those are somewhat bad, but they, especially the second one, don't have much/any scum motivation.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:17 pm

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Quilford wrote:Can you point out which of Entanglement's posts were yours?


Up untill the other head replaced out we wrote them all together. I can't say any are 'mine'.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:20 pm

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I can't do anything until you at least post the logical fails I have supposedly been making this game.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:26 pm

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Quilford wrote:Why did we never see so much as a read from you on IS?


It was still very early, We didn't have a read on him so we didn't give one. This is pretty typical of me, and at the time he died I think I hadn't given reads on a solid 1/3 of the game.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:32 pm

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Quilford wrote:I can't do anything until you at least post the logical fails I have supposedly been making this game.


You made a lot of requests. I'll get there.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:55 pm

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No, you made a lot of statements that you didn't bother to back up.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:15 am

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Quilford enters the game, apparently without having read the thread, and decides I'm most likely scum. I propose he did this as a gambit, accusing someone highly unlikely to get lynched in order to make himself look better. The only evidence he's tried to submit against me he dredged up after making the initial accusation, I think that's important given him apparently not reading the game even at that point. Exactly what was he going on?

Take his first point raised against me, the VCA. If you look at the VCA in any sort of context you'd see that me and peregrines voting is nearly identical. The only divergence are in timing of votes, and the RBT wagon. He claims scum wouldn't have motive to vote for JAM over zodiark, completely ignoring that I was voting JAM myself in everything but the most technical terms, I had only unvoted to avoid a quick lynch (which happened anyway but to someone else, so clearly my caution was founded). Now one could make the argument that he was just working off the mod vote counts and didn't know better. But he added weird stipulations to the VCA that were seemingly specific to this case (I don't think springlullaby would get to l-1 without scum on the wagon, actually posting the VCA instead of just a summary, in fact not posting any conclusion at all), these all seem to go against how he used VCA in the past game he mentioned, and seem specifically tailored to find me scummy.

I previously asked Quilford why he'd attack peregrine if he had to, yet the only thing he could come up with was role speculation. No one is unreproachable when a games gone this long. Everyone does scummy things and everyone's attackable. I might've been able to forgive Quilford for not reading the whole game, but this looks like he didn't look into peregrine -at all-. No mention of the day 1 quickhammer or the weird past/future VCA that would have 'caught' 2 townies from his perspective if he were. Clear points that would look bad.

Finally he asks the question 'WHY IS CHAMBER STILL ALIVE' like that's some damning fact, but when asked WHEN he expects I should have died, he has no answer, because he didn't actually think it through. The ONLY night a kill on me would've made sense is night 4 when JAM died. At that point we were moving to the past where I was vanilla and JAM had a swingy power (that scum couldn't reasonably have, effectively a dayvig that ends the day. If the scum were given that power it would have to look a lot more like Quilfords ;)), I can only assume that's why he was killed instead of me. If anything this sounds like frustration with tcl for not killing me.

All of those things are completely inconsistent with having actually given the game any thought, and my impression of Quilford is still that he's above such on the whole, at least enough so to not make 3 in such a short span that all wrongly point to me being scum. Now I may have been incorrect to use the word illogical, it framed my argument poorly and let Quilford make a bogus defence. For me irrational and illogical go hand in hand and thats what this really was, irrational. As to why thats scummy, sometimes scum need to be irrational to further their game, especially when in as bad a position as he was. He decided he was going to attack me before seeing the evidence, and then had to twist it to fit, but the twisting shows through clear as day.
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:39 am

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Yeah, ok.

My gut is swinging every which way like a fat man jogging, but the power role mishmash provides enough tilt to sway me.
Vote: Quilford


Again, if there is some crazy past/future scum thing, I am going to sit forlornly in a fountain fuelled by my tears.
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