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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:08 am

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Oh man, I agonised over you and Peregrine. I totally, utterly did. I can explain exactly what was going on in my head when I decided to duel you because I was in turmoil. I just didn't want to post lots of emotional fluffy posts in which I fencesit, which I felt would pretty much guarantee my lynch in an environment hostile to my slot. I decided my best bet was to construct a cool, steely façade.

Moving on.

"I propose he did this as a gambit, accusing someone highly unlikely to get lynched in order to make himself look better."
This is classic scum tactics, right here. chamber has posted what my actions would be described as if I were guaranteed scum and worded it such that it sounds like a reason for me being scum. It's nicely disguised WIFOM and that's it.


"Now one could make the argument that he was just working off the mod vote counts and didn't know better."
Yep.

"But he added weird stipulations to the VCA that were seemingly specific to this case"
what

"(I don't think springlullaby would get to l-1 without scum on the wagon,"
wait, hold on. I said this about three pages after the VCA in the context of me having a scumread on you. Of course it was tailored to make you look scummy.

"actually posting the VCA instead of just a summary"
How does that go against how I used VCA in the past game I mentioned? (also: check it) Also, I did the exact same thing here as town too: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3006039

"in fact not posting any conclusion at all"
Hence why I stated "for reference" at the bottom of the VCA post. Pretty clearly indicated it was a WIP.

"and the RBT wagon."
No further mention of the most important wagon. Also assuming PeregrineV is now confirmed town, if charter is town the Day 1 lynch wagon was all town as well as the DAY 3 AND DAY 4 wagons. Unlikely. Very unlikely.

Continuing soon.
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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:10 am

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Darox goddamnit unvote please or at least Peregrine dom't vote.

Three out of four lynch wagons would have to be all town if chamber is town. No fucking way. No fucking way at all.
This wagon:
springlullaby (7): LordChronos, Entanglement, Zodiark13, MagnaofIllusion, charter, popsofctown, PeregrineV

This wagon:
riceballtail (5): Entanglement x 2, LordChronos, popsofctown, tclawren

AND THIS WAGON:
LordChronos (4) - PeregrineV, chamber x 2, Darox
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:13 am

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"(that scum couldn't reasonably have, effectively a dayvig that ends the day."
WHY COULD A TWO MAN SCUMTEAM NOT HAVE THIS POWER

Why why why why why would a two man scumteam have a power that makes one of their members go 50/50 with town OR guarantees a scum lynch.

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USE YOUR BRAIN
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:16 am

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"Now I may have been incorrect to use the word illogical, it framed my argument poorly and let Quilford make a bogus defence. For me irrational and illogical go hand in hand and thats what this really was, irrational."
This is just bullshit backtracking. You specifically referred to logical failings and you did it more than once.
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:19 am

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My why is chamber still alive question?

This game. Right here.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3335344
I goddamn knew MoS was scum because he was still alive in LYLO.

chamber has a goddamned 'Best Town Performance' gif under his name.
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:21 am

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"sometimes scum need to be irrational to further their game"
You can tell by the weaselly way this is worded that it's BS. "sometimes", "further their game"
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:26 am

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"my impression of Quilford is still that he's above such on the whole, at least enough so to not make 3 in such a short span that all wrongly point to me being scum. Now I may have been incorrect to use the word illogical, it framed my argument poorly and let Quilford make a bogus defence. For me irrational and illogical go hand in hand and thats what this really was, irrational. As to why thats scummy, sometimes scum need to be irrational to further their game, especially when in as bad a position as he was. He decided he was going to attack me before seeing the evidence, and then had to twist it to fit, but the twisting shows through clear as day."
"my impression" "above such ON THE WHOLE" "at least" "I MAY HAVE been incorrect" "For me" "thats what this REALLY was" "sometimes" "further their game" "he decided" "clear as day"

COME ON

LANGUAGE TELLS

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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:26 am

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He's not even showing fuckinh emotion goddamnit
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:27 am

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So.
On night one.

Zodiark targeted me. [Cop]
MagnaofIllusion targeted me. [Tracker]
PeregrineV targeted me. [Neighbourize] (This trio still amuses me)
I targeted Springlullaby. [Deadspeak]
Popsofctown targeted Riceballtail. [Roleblock]
LordChronos targeted MagnaofIllusion. [Ability Clone]
Chamber targeted himself. [Doublevote Enabler]
Presumably, IS targeted charter. [Night Kill]

charter, JAMFTW, and Quilford did not target anyone, on account of not having night abilities, and Riceballtail was busy being roleblocked.

MagnaofIllusion has told me that he got an explicit message from the mod informing him that he was roleblocked night one. This is not represented in the list of used abilities.

Everyone on the powers list bar IS is either dead future town or their ability is confirmed.
Everyone on the powerless list is dead town or Quilford.

How did the roleblock get there?

P.S. I was wrong last time "Peregrine did it" isn't a reason because I know he targeted me with neighbourize N1.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:29 am

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Oh, point of clarification.

LordChronos targeted MagnaofIllusion [Ability Clone] and then targeted Riceballtail [Tracker]
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:31 am

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I don't know

some fucking scum redirect or roleblocker or something

this is beside the fucking point

Fuck the power role shit. we don't know what abilities scum have so it's fucking moot
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:37 am

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darox where the hell are you
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:41 am

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Maxing, relaxing.

Cause, the other alternatives are "Chronos was wrong about his role, either through him lying or the mod being deceptive" or "There are two scumteams and MoI was part of one"
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:41 am

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Actually fuck.

Unvote


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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:42 am

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MoI being past scum explains why Jam got night killed.

Everything is ruined forever.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:43 am

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okay great

how does any of this have to do with your scumread on me?

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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:44 am

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What the fuck are you talking about

if MoI was past scum then he'd just reveal his buddies in the future
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:44 am

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The Rules wrote:7. Once you are dead, do not post at all in the thread. Likewise, do not communicate with anybody still in the game once you're dead.
Never mind I'm forgetting the rules.

CARRY ON.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:45 am

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unless you're suggesting two scumteams

in which case I would say lolno, especially with a serial killer

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how does any of this have to do with your scumread on me?

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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:45 am

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No because then he'd lose.

I explain this when chatting with tclaw.
Darox wrote:No because then we'd just lynch the future scum and win in the future.
Swap future for past.
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:46 am

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Yeah two scumteams has kinda been a big thing I've been chatting about. Like, multiple times throughout the game I've gone back and forth on it.
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:47 am

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okay well fucking forget about it if there are two scm of opposing alignments alive today we've already fucking lost
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:48 am

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and explain your scumread on me
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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:50 am

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I think you're scum + all the power role evidence points toward you.

Basically doing that read through I alluded to at the start of today was filled with "Oh wow tclaw sure is scummy" and it was only the Peregrine/pops thing that stopped me from locking it in.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:52 am

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Quilford wrote:okay well fucking forget about it if there are two scm of opposing alignments alive today we've already fucking lost
Nah, because they won't be on the same side and we just need to get the right one. The past one, unless we also want to vote for the future.

Town wins when all the threats in the current time period are eliminated, remember?
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