New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[mastin2]

WHO DO YOU THINK I HAVE A RESULT ON

/peeved

and the reason that I know everyone is confirmed town in the qt is that when Lew's slot was absent

immediately on day 1 when I was getting pressured I claimed gunsmith in the qt so they would get off my back.

I didn't die that night.

yesterday, hiplop claimed everyone in the qt. Why would he have to do that as scum if there was scum already in the qt? USE FUCKING LOGIC

Oversoul claimed on day one. If the neighborhood did not possess daytalk, Oversoul would've been modkilled. Oversoul hasn't been modkilled, therefore, neighbors have daytalk. Simple enough logic. And since they apparently have daytalk, it's logical to conclude scum do as well. Pretty simple stuff.

(As for the rest, I'll be addressing it. In the case. Which I am too busy tonight to start.)

[Oversoul]

We have daytalk. Mastin isn't scum for assuming that, but I do have a contrary opinion about it. I'll present myself later. I will give you all time to look for the basis of my explanation.

iso

[TOGTFO]

By saying you received a result of negative, does that mean you were not blocked or that your result will clear FF as being gun free?

Oversoul please answer.

No one end this day yet and can we PLEASE get a replacement for foolishfool as soon as possible :/

[evilpacman18]

Indeed I was, Evil.

You yourself noted how Iron was playing differently in this game.

"I was the cop in that game." was all it took you to be convinced?

No I'm not convinced at all, hence my vote being on Ironhead. I just wanted to make sure I'm not the only one noticing it.

[Thor665]

Unvote: fatlikeapig
Vote: Ironhead

Speed wagon, choo-choo.

Also, fat's reaction to the current wagon makes me doubt he's scum.

[ObliviousDruidMuncher]

Day 4 Vote Totals

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[7]Ironhead:

redFF, evilpacman18, mastin2, Oversoul, David Xanatos, Empking, Thor665 [L-1]

[2]fatlikepig:

projectmatt, Xeras [L-3]

[2]Xeras :

Ironhead, fatlikepig [L-6]

Prods:

Xeras

Searching for replacement for Foolish Fool

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. It is currently Day 4. The deadline for Day 4 is October 12th, 2011 at 6 PM ET.

[TOGTFO]

Please someone unvote.....

[mastin2]

TOGTFO, have you read the thread title?
Deadline's tomorrow.

'Sides. Foolish Fool can't hammer, Fat probably won't, Ironhead despises self-hammering, and matt would probably prefer not to bus. Xeras might, though he's getting prodded. Then there's you. That's 13/14 accounted for.

If anything, I'd be worried about not having enough to hammer before deadline, not being worried about a premature hammer.

[projectmatt]

One: Mastin, explain the purpose of the questions that you made early in the game. You claimed they would be the basis for your scumhunting and you haven't brought them up since.

Two: Funnily enough you're actually wrong on the point of me not liking to bus. If you want to meta my scum play read C9++, I bussed my scum partner hard on d1 in order to try to get a win for the rest of the game.

Three: Of course I am going to defend myself if you lean town.

Four: I'm voting Pig over Iron because Pig is scummier and I got town vibes from Iron's posts earlier, none from Pig. That's all.

[mastin2]

Actually, they're not the basis of my scumhunting. They were meant as an augmentation, like all my other tools, ESPECIALLY since it was highly experimental.
I'll explain after I do the analysis of the questions--I haven't due to me needing to read the thread and now start building cases, but once I finish with the case, I'll begin. (Though by then, it'll probably be night; I don't think I can finish a case before deadline. Didn't realize it was so close.)

And I suppose the better word to use would be you wouldn't want to bus in a situation LIKE THIS, where you're pretty much screwed with a single scum lynch. Thanks for claiming scum, by the way. How do I know?

Funnily enough you're actually wrong on the point of me not liking to bus. If you want to meta my scum play read C9++, I bussed my scum partner hard on d1 in order to try to get a win for the rest of the game.

Matt knows Ironhead will flip scum. By bringing up his meta as scum-who-busses, by being off of the wagon, he can hopefully get a little suspicion off of himself. He's basically admitted that, yes, Ironhead is scum, and that yes, he is as well.

[projectmatt]

No, I think that Ironhead is more town then Pig, that's why I'm voting Pig. You were again, basing your reads based off of what you thought I would and wouldn't do, so I tried to prove you wrong with previous games. I am going hold you to the promise of that analysis.

[Thor665]

Four: I'm voting Pig over Iron because Pig is scummier and I got town vibes from Iron's posts earlier, none from Pig. That's all.

Could you explain these? I'm reading it the other way around.

[TOGTFO]

Well Oversoul dies tonight.

[Nobody Special]

Alright, let's do this.

Vote: Ironhead

[TOGTFO]

claim JOAT

Watched Oversoul last night,

Hopster and FoolishFool visited him.

I had a cop report on bvoigt

Using my doc tonight then I officially become a villager. Got my info out there in case I die...

[fatlikepig]

Okay, so by that info FF is either conftown or there are two scumteams. Right?

[Thor665]

A reasonable conclusion.

[mastin2]

Seems believable enough. Oversoul, you'll live to see tomorrow.

Foolish Fool visiting you is interesting. It can't be a scum kill, yet they already knew your role, so not something like rolecop. I *think* this makes them town, but I can't make sense of it.

Hopefully, Ironhead is scum. If he's not, you've got a limited pool to work from: Vifam (no, as Vifam's probably town)
6. Lady Lambadelta (no, as I consider Thor confirmed town)
7. projectmatt (Yes)
12. fatlikepig (possible)

So, if Ironhead is town, you have a 3/4 chance of hitting scum. If Ironhead's scum, you have a 2/4 chance of hitting scum, with the additional condition that fatlikepig is extremely unlikely to the point where he might be able to be eliminated from the list and make it 2/3.

(See also--Foolish Fool probably not scum.)

[mastin2]

Wait, forgot Xeras. Him not being blocked last night means he's in the potential suspects, and with Foolish Fool apparently being town, that's more likely than it was before.


...But still. Worst case scenario, 3/5. Best case scenario, 2/5 or 2/4.

I'd say investigation order priority would be {Matt, Xeras, Vifam, Thor} (most to least) if Ironhead's scum, {Matt, Fat, Xeras, Vifam, Thor} if he's not. Mainly because a lot of my scum/town reads do admittedly hinge on Matt being scum--if I'm wrong about that, I'd rather find out about it sooner rather than later. (That said, I don't think I am. Between Ironhead and Matt, I'm 95% sure there's at least one scum, and ~85% sure they're both scum.)

[TOGTFO]

May I also add something that has been bothering me. Oversoul claimed to have a result but was jailkept which means roleblocked so his result is not valid.

[mastin2]

He's still town, though.

What, you don't need roles to form these conclusions. He was town before the apparent innocent.

[Xeras]

///Prod Response.

I was going to hammer Ironhead... but it seems like he is already hammered.

[Oversoul]

I admit that Hoppster protected me and I faked that result. I think that Foolish tried to kill me >_> Either way I don't think they are town and I am glad I had suspicions of them.

Roleblock or a rolecop are really the only possible things Foolish could have done last night and none of them are pro town abilities.

TOG, don't defend me please. Do it to Evilpacman.

TOG, I also would have liked you to remain quiet today, but whatever. Nice catch on Foolish.

Mastin, since Iron is hammered, the scum don't have daytalk. Hiplop would not have needed to out the neighborhood publicly if they did have daytalk. That was what I alluded to earlier.

[Oversoul]

Yes I have concluded that Foolish Fool is scum. She dies tomorrow.

[fatlikepig]

Oversoul, if Ironhead flips scum, I want you to investigate me.