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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:19 am

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Ok, catching up now –

Seraphim’s play today has been terrible. No content, dropping random votes with no support and what looks to be buddying up to Fate. If Fate is Town Seraphim needs to be examined closely.

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For the moment -

UNVOTE: Fate
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LLD wrote:I was calling Wrath scum long before he was voting me.


He’s clearly Town. After Day 2 there can be little question of that.

Combine this with everything else (lurking, hammer on Hiraki when it was inevitable and you ignored him all Day 2) and you are the lynch today. Just ride out the time until we get Ant replaced and input from that slot.

Your ‘who is Town’ post at
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LLD wrote:I'm Rocket, a 1 shot Bus Driver, from Rocket: Robot on Wheels. (Don't even ask, I don't know. This is the kinda shit Maru chose).

Haven't used my 1 shot yet.


So why didn’t you use your 1-shot last Night? I would expect Town LLD to have been trying to busdrive her scum Toasty suspect with a strong Town read (probably Grey knowing you) in an attempt to flip the script and get Mafia to kill themselves. You did it in Nikanor’s Cuttlefish Mafia and got blown up doing it in Brightest Day Mafia, both as Town.

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Fate does make a solid point at
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– if LLD didn’t “know” Toasty was dead why didn’t she immediately vote for her obv-suspect today?

[qutoe="Fate"]Why in the hell is MoI not foaming at the mouth for a chance to get me lynched?[/quote]

Because frankly unlike you I play first to my wincon not me ego.

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kuribo wrote:i don't recall saying that anyone was most likely scum, i just recall you losing your shit because i turned my attention to Rayray


What color is the sky in the world in your head kuribo? I ask because my reaction to your scummy play isn’t ‘losing your shit’. It’s scum-hunting.

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Spyrex wrote:Meta arguments nonwithstanding and bro-status with Fate nonwithstanding AND blossoming bro-status with Kuribo nonwithstanding:


Let’s be frank Spyrex – I don’t give two shits about whatever bro-status you have or all developing with either Fate or kuribo. That sort of thinking lets scum buddy up to each other (Hobbits to Isengard Mafia anyone?) or lets whichever of you is scum have an easier path to victory (some Large Theme based on a Video game comes to mind, scum Spyrex was let off the hook repeatedly by Fate because of ‘bro-status’).

Spryex wrote:The committal of resources scumside at this juncture to drive a lynch on you through that would require some serious swing votes and have a huge backlash tomorrow is NOT scum motivated. The vehemence with which all of you are getting into it is NOT pushing a scum agenda - its all genuine which makes it all the sillier.


This doesn’t set my mind at ease 100%. I’ve seen scum-Fate push crap lynch after crap lynch with ZERO backlash before multiple times (again, Hobbits is just the latest example). What makes me even more suspicious of his play is that the two people he’s attacked today (myself and LLD) are the two remaining players on the list most likely to not put up with him doing exactly that. That's the play for scum-Fate ... take out those most likely to stand up to him (GreyICE not surpisingly falls right into this group also).

Also it is six to lynch at this point. Game started with 17 players. Standard balancing says scum-team of 4 to 6 depending on set-up and any possible third parties, most likely 4 or 5 to start. One scum is down which gives us a range of 3 to 4. Scum-fate appealing to non-scum who like to sheep him doesn’t make getting six votes that difficult a prospect, IMO. And that’s what I can certainly see him doing with his “Spyrex and kuribo” unite post … I don’t think all three of you can likely to be all aligned.

Spryex wrote:I get what Fate is getting at but the way you pushed it through doesn't click that way. That was town.


You get what Fate is getting at? That’s moronic. He’s pulling the exact same thing he railed against as Town in the Mini Theme Metropolis game – he drove a lynch on CoolDog and then went batshit when he was questioned if it was as bus. That he attempted to use the exact same tactics he cried like a baby about there sticks to high heaven. That's an example of Cognitive Dissonance.

Just because I’m not pushing for Fate’s throat right now doesn’t mean I don’t still have suspicions of him. An LLD scum flip will reduce those but that’s coming soon.

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It’s because her profile since replacing in (until today under fire) has been very low key. She’s in my second tier of suspects after the Gang of Three (Ant, Fate, kuribo) for basically active lurking Day 2 and that hammer on Hiraki.

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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:37 am

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Ride out what? I'm content to die here. I will flip town. Seeya.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:05 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:What color is the sky in the world in your head kuribo?


like a dark purple, sometimes a hint of lavender, though lately it's been a bright metallic red with the migraine i've had for two days
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:06 am

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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Ride out what? I'm content to die here. I will flip town. Seeya.


you guys know her better than i do, is she always petty?
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:01 am

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She’s in my second tier of suspects after the Gang of Three (Ant, Fate, kuribo) for basically active lurking Day 2 and that hammer on Hiraki.


This is why I can't take you seriously.

Ant and Dekes have both flaked. Whoever the fuck Kuribo replaced probably flaked too, and he replacin after a hammer.

But this shit's active lurking?

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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:03 am

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There's nothing from Maxous to explain. Just because I push a lynch HARD doesn't mean I have a strong scumread MoI. It certainly got a reaction out of you and I don't think it was a scum MoI one.

LLD not using her busdrive makes me feel better about this. Her self-vote does not though, and it worries me this will be back to back town death.

But its too late now.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:19 am

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@LLD: What's the other half of your role?
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:20 am

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Day 3, Vote Count #9

MagnaofIllusion (0)
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Fate (0)
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WrathChild (0)
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Ant_to_the_max (0)
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Lady Lambdadelta (5)
- WrathChild, Seraphim, Fate, kdowns, Lady Lambdadelta
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Seraphim (1)
- MagnaofIllusion
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kdowns (0)
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No Lynch (0)
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- Ant_to_the_max, RayFrost, Maxous, kuribo, SpyreX

11 votes available, 6 votes needed to lynch

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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:23 am

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Fate wrote:This is why I can't take you seriously.


Answer me this then - is your premise that EVERY SINGLE SCUM in the game was on the Hiraki wagon (aside from Hiraki himself)?
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:29 am

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I think LLD only has a 1-shot target switch.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:34 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Fate wrote:This is why I can't take you seriously.


Answer me this then - is your premise that EVERY SINGLE SCUM in the game was on the Hiraki wagon (aside from Hiraki himself)?


Is that so ridiculous?

I know you're married to your VC analysis, but its time for some counseling. She isn't everything you thought her to be at the beginning.

I've seen entire scumteams on mislynch wagons, entire scumteams bussing. I've seen it all.

You've taken a fallacy and tried to force it into this game:
"Its IMPOSSIBLE that all the scum were on a wagon! Scum simply MUST have been off it!"

That's not true. Is it a lot of the times? Yeah. But look at the GODDAMN CONTEXT: Our slots off the wagon are just as likely to be town that was flaked and had no chance to comment either way as scum that flaked. It doesn't make us MORE likely scum just because the slots had flaked.

I WILL give you that Ant_B is probscum given my read on the other people off the wagon (me and Kuribo), and his apparent complete lack of content ever. I'm interested in seeing that slots catch up post.

But having absolutes like "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SCUM OFF THE GODFATHER WAGON, LYNCH EVERYONE OFF IT KILL THEM ALL" is just leaving yourself wide open to scum manipulation. Its really quite foolish, and knowing my own alignment and having psychic insight to Kuribo's quite wrong.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:42 am

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Fuck off SpyreX, depriving me of my death.

I didn't use the busdrive because it was one shot.

I don't have another half to my ability...
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:44 am

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Why are you so content to die when you haven't truly lived?
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:45 am

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@Fate: What did you think of my Vote Analysis?

@Maxous: I have reason to believe LLD is not being fully forthcoming regarding her One-Shot role.

P-Edit: LLD, ok, fair enough.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:46 am

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I didn't read it thoroughly. It looks nice and thought it, but that's not how I get my reads.
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:48 am

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Fate wrote:Our slots off the wagon are just as likely to be town that was flaked and had no chance to comment either way as scum that flaked. It doesn't make us MORE likely scum just because the slots had flaked.


It's even more ridiculous because my slot went V/LA on day 1 and had long since flaked by the time scum was lynched on Day 2 (20 minutes after I arrived, by which point Hiraki was L-1)

Unless I had been willing to hammer someone without reading a single page, it was LITERALLY impossible for my slot to be on that wagon, and for MoI to gloss over this seems fishy to me.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:49 am

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Fate wrote:Why are you so content to die when you haven't truly lived?


No one has truly lived, until they die.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:50 am

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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:55 am

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kuribo wrote:"Death is the only adventure I have left"- Dustin Hoffman, Hook


A wise man.

Wrath, you're gonna have to claim these "lol LLD's lying I have inside info" things.

Because the last time someone tried that was...... Brave and the Beautiful. Fate~? ^-^

So claim it. I only have 1 shot ability, and that's it. You're either deluded or lying sooooooo
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:00 am

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I have no inside information on your role, but based on several of the roles that we do know (and mine), I had a suspicion that you may have had more than a one-shot, especially if you haven't used it yet.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:01 am

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EBWOP: By more than a one-shot, I don't mean unlimited or even limited greater than one shot. I mean something different entirely.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:03 am

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WrathChild wrote:EBWOP: By more than a one-shot, I don't mean unlimited or even limited greater than one shot. I mean something different entirely.


I don't get why you'd try and outguess the mod like that, but ok.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:07 am

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WrathChild wrote:I have no inside information on your role, but based on several of the roles that we do know (and mine), I had a suspicion that you may have had more than a one-shot, especially if you haven't used it yet.


Pointless speculation of the unknowable based on facts not shown in evidence with absolutely nothing to back them up, combined with an un-asked for softclaim.... Check.
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:30 am

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And you're point is....

I think there is a very good chance I die tonight, so I'm trying to leave a trail that people can follow. It really shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:16 am

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kuribo wrote:you guys know her better than i do, is she always petty?


Petty would assume she’s Town.

It is entirely possible LLD tried to self-hammer as scum to cut off discussion and make sure that Ant / his replacement didn’t post today. Whether in that circumstance it was to taint a Town player who sucked or to ‘protect’ a partner who could use the “Ant flaked and you can’t blame me for that” defense would remain to be seen.

kuribo wrote:Unless I had been willing to hammer someone without reading a single page, it was LITERALLY impossible for my slot to be on that wagon, and for MoI to gloss over this seems fishy to me.


So first no-one could have possible got a scum-read on Scott B. Check.

Now just because he flaked it makes him Town absolutely. He couldn’t possibly have been scum who didn’t get a chance to get on the wagon. Check.

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LLD wrote:I didn't use the busdrive because it was one shot.


Why not? Explain why you didn’t when you had ‘confirmed’ scum in your read on Toasty? Why not protect your ‘buddy’ GreyICE?

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Fate wrote:Is that so ridiculous?

I know you're married to your VC analysis, but its time for some counseling. She isn't everything you thought her to be at the beginning.

I've seen entire scumteams on mislynch wagons, entire scumteams bussing. I've seen it all.


If I’m playing the game to the best of my ability – yes, it is pretty ridiculous. I’ve seen things happen to. The question remains – how often does such a thing occur. The answer is “Rarely as all get out”, to use non-specific terms. If it did happen … well it happened. Fact remains that smart odds say at least one of you is scum. Flaking doesn’t make everyone Town. True fact. It just means that whichever scum flaked at a bad time is being caught by PoE for bad reasons.

You can insult my like of VC analysis all you like. It works. See Atomic Mafia. See Mystery Box Mafia. Is it a 100% fool-proof method? Of course not. But it generally brings me enough viable date I can use the rest of my scum-hunting skills to make the right call.

Fate wrote: But having absolutes like "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SCUM OFF THE GODFATHER WAGON, LYNCH EVERYONE OFF IT KILL THEM ALL" is just leaving yourself wide open to scum manipulation. Its really quite foolish, and knowing my own alignment and having psychic insight to Kuribo's quite wrong.


Nice straw-man. I’m never said to “KILLZ THEM ALL”. You keep pretending I said everyone there is scum. I think your response mostly stems because you and your ‘bro’ kuribo are in that select group.

Yeah, as far as your psychic link – you can file that in the category of “I know you are married to thinking you can read those people you’like’ but it’s time for some counselling. It isn’t everything you thought it was” file.
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