New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

[mastin2]

It's actually multiple things in here.

Have we considered that the SK could potentially be X-shot? May explain the lack of two NKs early on in the game.

I'm slightly unconvinced of there being five mafia, four plus SK already seems pretty weighted against the town. I realise that we had awesome PRs, but even so I have trouble believing that there needs to be so much counterbalance.

If two teams still exist, though, scum may not be killing to avoid NK WIFOM or to slip under the radar while we go SK hunting. Or tet could be hitting protective roles, which is still possible.

[Empking]

Vote: NS

[Nobody Special]

God, the WIFOM.

It's really weird that we had a long string of mafia kills, and now a long string of (apparently) SK kills. There's certainly not two mafia factions, so it must be SK.

I tend to lean more toward no more mafia at this point (but I'm awful at balance, so take that with a grain of salt).

And why Xeras? Like Thor said, the head, it asplodes.

Going to read some interactions now. (I do love the double-iso feature -- it SO works for this purpose!)

[evilpacman18]

vote: fatlikepig

[Oversoul]

Negative on Mastin from gunsmith result.

You pretty much nailed my thought on the Xeras kill, Mastin (the wifom).

I don't like Empking, redFF, and Fat in that order. Is there any reason why you think Fat is the SK other than today's posts?

[Thor665]

Negative on Mastin from gunsmith result.

So you're claiming that your limited shot is not 4x? Or did the jailkeep end up not counting against you? You confusalate me.

[mastin2]

Is there any reason why you think Fat is the SK other than today's posts?

Haven't looked at his previous day posts, yet, so no. (Then again, since the SK, I haven't looked at anyone's previous day posts other than an ISO or two to check facts.)

But, yeah.

You pretty much nailed my thought on the Xeras kill, Mastin (the wifom).

I don't like

Empking

, redFF, and Fat in that order.

1. Empking <--Chances of being SK virtually zero. He wouldn't NK someone like that when he knew he'd be the center of attention.
3. Nobody Special Vifam <--Chances of being scum...pretty dang high.
4. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan <--Chances of being scum...debating.
6. fatlikepig LTP Mafia <--Not mafia. Could be SK, with the NK.
7. evilpacman18 <--Not mafia; we already had one mafia in the neighborhood.
8. redFF <-- Not Mafia, based on interactions.

I'm almost ready to call Empking town. Almost.
And Thor's argument for EPM [that he would know who to avoid trying to NK] is a pretty good one.
That leaves four suspects for SK. Two of them are cleared from being mafia.

You fit Thor's "Bottom of the suspect list" mold, for starters. And not thinking there's any mafia left.

BTW, Xeras suspected EPM and Oversoul, with some redFF thrown in as well. Worth lookin' into, though I still think it's fat right now.

Tell me, which of these did you agree with?

How come Empking's at the top of your list despite almost everything I say putting him near the bottom?

[fatlikepig]

Oversoul, why check mastin? Wasn't it fairly clear he wasn't mafia?

[Oversoul]

Negative on Mastin from gunsmith result.

So you're claiming that your limited shot is not 4x? Or did the jailkeep end up not counting against you? You confusalate me.

Thor god damn it you ruined my gambit. ._. Fat already fell for it too >_>

Fat, no I didn't investigate Mastin. I don't have any shots.

Mastin, I know that the Pine kill is from likely Amateur SK, but I still don't like Empking's intereactions with Thor yesterday. After claiming, I consider Thor pretty much confirmed town. The Xeras kill last night also makes it seem like amateur kill as I would be trying to remove the confirmed town from the game before going after inactives, but I guess the SK went after wifom. :\

Feelings about redFF? He took that "insult" personally when I called the SK dumb so...

[mastin2]

Empking's almost certainly town. He might not give off the impression of being good on the surface, but he's a really good player, with the experience to know what to do, so it's not him.

I'm getting close to eliminating Evil from the list as well. Both because of neighborhood interaction and level of competency.
You're a gunsmith, and wouldn't be a triple-role (Neighbor-Gunsmith-SK, possibly Neighbor-Gunsmith-SK-with-some-immunity), so it's not you.

NS is an experienced player, sure, but he has a bit of a reputation for...umm...shall we say...not being a strong player?
Fat does have some experience, but not much compared to everyone else. (Might be worth looking in to.)
Thor has a lot for and against him.
redFF isn't exactly a newb, either. He's the

newest player here if I'm not mistaken

(actually, technically, you are Oversoul, though I know you have played in a lot more games than most people), but his join date is still relatively old, giving him six months of on-site experience.

...I'm far too tired right now (overworked, underslept, you know, that kind of thing) to make any sense of that.

[Empking]

Oversoul & Mastin: Can you ask any Tracker to come out, please.

[Thor665]

Thor Smurf it you ruined my gambit. ._. Fat already fell for it too >_>

What did you see as the purpose of your gambit?
I'd also left you some potential outs to it if you'd wanted to keep pressing - but since I'd checked mastin last night I was hardly going to let that just magically slide by.

[redFF]

this was actually the first or second game i joined I think.

Oversoul & Mastin: Can you ask any Tracker to come out, please.

don't really like this

[ObliviousDruidMuncher]

Prod check and such manana. Lo siento, pero tengo mucha tarea esta noche.

[Thor665]

Oversoul & Mastin: Can you ask any Tracker to come out, please.

don't really like this

Eh, it makes reasonable sense as a town hunting on me as scum with the belief that I am dumb enough scum to claim a role exists that doesn't exists and/or am scum faking my claim when it is yet unknown if anyone else is out there targeting effects who also could prove me a liar. So, basically he thinks I'm either stupid scum or...stupider scum, which is slightly annoying but the fishing comes from a perceptible town concept - though I think it's fairly clear we've got a tracker who isn't pro town which, basically all that does is roughly clear you. Why Emp wants to lynch me to confirm rough clear you is beyond me as he's failed to present any case on me that doesn't involve my claim, who knows.

Vote: mastin

Why isn't he the SK again? He's making experience cases to clear people but lists me as a suspect still because...Thor isn't experienced? The hell?

[Oversoul]

Isn't that slightly omgus, Thor? Would you think that Mastin would make those two kills as SK, though?

[Thor665]

We can call it omgus if you'd like - why isn't he SK, because he wouldn't do those kills? Is that the extent of the logic to clear him? Because that gives me higher likelihood to not be SK, and redFF as well, all without some of mastin's silliness. I just want this question seriously addressed - I think SK is capping questionables because SK isn't a questionable.

[mastin2]

Admittedly?

If I didn't have NK immunity, I'd kill Pine before he'd kill

me

. He ALWAYS kills me as scum.
But, yeah. If I had NK immunity, Pine'd be the last person I'd kill. He was--after all--my intended lynch the next day.

And Xeras kill would make no sense. Xeras was pushing for an Oversoul/EPM lynch (with some redFF thrown in as well). As the SK, I'd want to try and lynch Xeras for doing something so stupid. And even if I failed to lynch Xeras, then he might help mislynch EPM with me taking far less blame than if, say, I spearheaded it. Plus, it'd be one more player for me to defend Oversoul against, and that'd make Oversoul think I was more town.

Oversoul & Mastin: Can you ask any Tracker to come out, please.

We did. Earlier. We got nothing.

He's making experience cases to clear people but lists me as a suspect still because...Thor isn't experienced? The hell?

Read again and tell me where I say you're inexperienced.

It's not there. As I said in that post, I wasn't very coherent at the time. (Still aren't, just am...a little more awake than I was. ) But you'll note you're not the only one I make no mention of experience on: Oversoul was there as well. It was technically there with EPM, but more as a side-remark than a significant point. And it contributed to Empking as well, but was once more not the focus point, not by a longshot.

I was trying to compile reasons for-and-against people being the SK. I had intended to focus primarily on experience when starting the post, but later decided to include more general stuff as well. And as I said, there's a lot for and against you being the SK.

[Thor665]

but he's a really good player, with the experience to know what to do, so it's not him.

Ergo - those you suspect lack these traits - as they are the only listed reasons you are clearing Emp for.

So, if your defense is 'I wouldn't kill these people' who do you think would? I see very little value in the SK kills outside of killing things that look scummy - and if SK was a Vig we would know by now so either SK is totally pants on head, or SK is in the relatively assured towns and can't afford to start shooting them yet.

[redFF]

VOTE: epm

why has this "confirmed town" not been nk'd yet. this shit is ridiculous.

[fatlikepig]

So, I get that EPM is confnotmafia, but why is he not SK?

[Thor665]

Theory belief that he wouldn't have been gakked up by JKer multiple nights with inside track to JK info.

[Thor665]

@Oversoul
@evilpacman - how open was the JK coversation - Oversoul was an early open claim, yes? What about Hoppy?

[fatlikepig]

Oh, right.

Oversoul, you still haven't told us what purpose your failed gambit was intended to serve.

[Thor665]

Tell him I'll omgus him next, that will scare him into action.
Don't tell him I said it.