Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[EtherealCookie]

I don't entirely understand why Stringer's claim makes him unlynchable; is it impossible for scum to obtain abilities as well day one? I understand that the ability is definitely beneficial, but I'm not sure if that clears him of his scum vibes. Regardless, FC is a much better choice for today, given his play. He switched off onto voting Diddin the moment I voiced the opinion Diddin's defense of him was highly suspicious in an attempt to distance. He can potentially reveal information about other players given the excessive amount of buddying that went around him. If he's scum playing bad, it's not surprising that his scumbuddies might take a fall here and there to try and protect him, and a lot of players did jump to his defense.

Vote: Fourseen

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't entirely understand why Stringer's claim makes him unlynchable; is it impossible for scum to obtain abilities as well day one? I understand that the ability is definitely beneficial, but I'm not sure if that clears him of his scum vibes.

Read the thread then ... no-one is saying that he's Town. Everyone letting him off for today is saying that the Ability he claimed is to Pro-Town to remove today.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x25 ::

Furcolow (3) -

Ghostlin, Toogeloo, Junpei

Ghostlin (2) -

MagnaofIllusion, Magister Ludi

RedCoyote (1) -

Kdub

FourseenCircumstance (1) -

EtherealCookie

Not Voting (18) -

implosion, RedCoyote, Ghostlin, springlullaby, warriormode, whispersilk, Furcolow, chkflip, SlySly, DrippingGoofball, Sinestro, PeregrineV, Stringer Bell, Drunken Piper, projectmatt, FourseenCircumstance, Bunnylover, wazzatron

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-11 14:12:31).

[projectmatt]

Vote: Ghostlin

This over Furco, much preferably.

[Furcolow]

vote: ghostlin

i endorse MoI's case

[DrippingGoofball]

My vote wasn't counted?

VOTE: Furcolow

[SlySly]

4 posts.
101 words.
0% pro-town contribution.
Admitted lurker.
Convenient V\LA to extend just past the deadline.

VOTE: whispersilk is who we should lynch.

[Kdub]

Ludi:
In post 739, you were pretty set on nopoint as scum:

Nopoint is two fold good shot. one, he is legitimately posting anti-town. Two, he was lurking hard (seven posts through the entire day) until kdub announced his vig, and chance to shoot him. Since then, he has posted three times, increasing his post count by a whopping 42%!

He is the scummy lurker we have been looking for.

In between that point and when you unvoted him, he made three posts:

That's because I'm staying up late and not being irresponsible towards the game ML. Shoot/lynch me if you want, Magister Ludi dies tomorrow from my flip

If you doubt my time limitation, read my posts for this most recent game
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18902

Other than that if you've got nothing concrete to discuss, stfu

specific evidence (quote, posts ... ), not the labeling shit you've been doing all day. I'm off, I can't stand this rot any longer

At what point in this sequence of posts did you decide that he was town?

Sly, I doubt you are going to get much support with a wagon on someone who is V/LA.

Magna's case on Ghostlin is quite reasonable. I'd probably support that wagon if it came down to deadline.

Vote: Furculow

Least liked person on the previous nopoint wagon.

I see, you liked him so little that you didn't even mention him once prior to this post.

I still don't see what the Furc voters are voting him for other than claiming for no reason, which was stupid, but is not a scum tell.

[Magister Ludi]

Post 741, displayed incredible pro-town mindset. I've never see a scum gambit with their life before when they will and probably are going to be shot. Calling me out in addition also made me pause.

Post 746 cemented it. He was town, false accused, and was pissed. If he was scum, he would know that he had been found out in someway, and subconsciously know that we were right.

Those reactions near death were very town mindset. Really, post 741 is all I, or you, should have needed, looking back on it.

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Yeah, don't think the Furc wagon is sound at all.

[SlySly]

Sly, I doubt you are going to get much support with a wagon on someone who is V/LA.

I know the mindset around here. The problem is, the scum do too. Convenient V/LA's are convenient, warriormode is in the midst of one now, too. That's why I preferred you target a lurker. Spilled milk now.

I have no plans to hold my vote on whisper if it will result in a NL. I'm reading through the latest post explosion to determine which candidate I most support for today's lynch.

[implosion]

VOTE: Ghostlin
I just read some of Magna's stuff on him. Good stuff.

[implosion]

For the record: This week and next week are going to be bad. After thanksgiving, I

should

be really active.

Right now, midterms are coming up and I still have some college app essays to write, so.

[FourseenCircumstance]

First off slysly remarking on another lurker classic.

hmm between furclow and his premature claim and the case that MoI presented on ghostlin I am leaning towards the case on ghostlin just because furclow's ability is helpful for the town at this point.

vote:ghastlin

[SlySly]

First off slysly remarking on another lurker classic.

Get with me in 4 years and we can discuss how many lurker scum you have ran across during that stretch.

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vote furclow

I think that RC might be more scummy (I need to look at more people to be honest) but Furclow claimed for NO REASON other than to make his claim not look bad later on.

Paraphrase: "I'll pick the wagon over the scumminess."

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I find it ironic that we've got maybe technically four days left to deadline, and MoIs jumped on a short wagon (mine) after posting how obviously scummy Stringer is the entire day.

Yes, ignore the developments in thread (such as Stringer’s claim that we absolutely should not lynch / kill based on the role) and try to say that I’m abandoning my read to just attack you out of the blue. Ignore I’ve been questioning you and calling your behavior suspect since you replaced it.

This is a misrep on Ghostlin's part.

Even after stating, "Stinger's claim means he absolutely shouldn't be shot or lynched, unfortunately" MoI later votes Stringer, though later in the same post he moves his vote back to Ghostlin.

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Not even considering Furclow's extremely scummy multi-post to move the game to the next page...

Furclow has twice claimed he has meta on DGB's slot.
He asked the vig to kill DGB.
DGB wants Furclow dead.

I would like this supposed DGBslot meta brought out for discussion before the night falls and Furclow gets NK'd by a DGBscum team.

[wazzatron]

i'm sorry but kdub that was a terrible shot did you not see the vote count just before hand that was your decision and not anyone else.

But Ghostlin seems like he's the scum of the day that i can see getting lynched and to be honest i want to see what holds in this role of kdubs.

Vote Ghostlin

[Magister Ludi]

Wazza, is vote count analysis useful? Does a bad vote supported by a large post mean that player is town?

[SlySly]

Even after stating, "Stinger's claim means he absolutely shouldn't be shot or lynched, unfortunately" MoI later votes Stringer, though later in the same post he moves his vote back to Ghostlin.

This should have read...

Even after stating, "Stinger's claim means he absolutely shouldn't be shot or lynched, unfortunately" MoI later votes Stringer, though later in the same post he moves his vote to Ghostlin.

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There is an MoI sheepfest in progress!

There is still a little time for discussion today. Lack of reasoning is not pro-town and is very mislynch friendly.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah but this wagon has a good chance of hitting scum. Arguing that because someone posted a good reason for voting another player means the wagon is on town or bad is not sound reasoning.

[SlySly]

Yeah but this wagon has a good chance of hitting scum.

Why do you think there's a good chance Ghostlin's scum?

[wazzatron]

Wazza, is vote count analysis useful? Does a bad vote supported by a large post mean that player is town?

what i meant is that Nopoint only had 2 votes as of the last vote count.

:: VoteCount 1x24 ::

Furcolow (5) -

Stringer Bell, Drunken Piper, DrippingGoofball, Ghostlin, FourseenCircumstance

Stringer Bell (4) -

EtherealCookie, Bunnylover, RedCoyote, Furcolow

Junpei (3) -

SlySly, springlullaby, Sinestro

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

Junpei, chkflip

nopointinactingup (2) -

Toogeloo, implosion

Ghostlin (2) -

MagnaofIllusion, Magister Ludi

Magister Ludi (1) -

nopointinactingup

Toogeloo (1) -

warriormode

RedCoyote (1) -

wazzatron

Not Voting (4) -

whispersilk, Kdub, projectmatt, PeregrineV

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-08 23:07:02).

And that he did not use his Vig powers as a town based vote but as a self based decision contradictory to what he was wanting earlier.

[Magister Ludi]

So are you saying the action of kdub vigging is far more important than the reasoning behind it?

[Kdub]

i'm sorry but kdub that was a terrible shot did you not see the vote count just before hand that was your decision and not anyone else.

While it's true that the ultimate decision was mine, the vote count immediately prior to my shot is not relevant. What is relevant is both the vote count and general sentiment before I claimed. Do you see why? Once the day vig was revealed, scum could try to manipulate the general sentiment and vote count away from themselves, which is a good thing from an information standpoint, but makes future vote counts irrelevant to who is the optimal target.

By the way, I note that when I asked people for their opinions on the top wagons, you said that nopoint was your highest suspect and you would probably vote him. So why do you think my shot was "terrible"? It obviously wasn't because you thought nopoint was town, and I just pointed out the flaw in your vote count argument. It sounds very much like you are trying to distance yourself and throw dirt on me after the fact.

But Ghostlin seems like he's the scum of the day that i can see getting lynched and to be honest

i want to see what holds in this role of kdubs.

I have no idea what you are saying here.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd love to see a whispersilk wagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd love to see a whispersilk wagon.

^^^

Because we could decide between voting for scum (whispersilk) or 3rd party (Furcolow).

[chkflip]

Still catching up (been busy with uni work, sorry) but from what I'm seeing my vote was in the right place before the shot. Fourseen can't seem to come up with a solid unique comment to save his life. That compounded with the fact that he was so incessantly on Kdub to not forget to use his day-kill is extremely telling to me.

VOTE: Fourseen Circumstance

I'll probably end up consolidating my catch-up posts for clarity and keep some of the other less important stuff in my own personal notes for future reference instead of posting them all in incoherent blurbs like I did in the previous catch-up.