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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:23 am

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Riceballtail wrote:I have no motivation for fakeclaiming miller. If I ever did, it would earn me a reputation of being lynched for it immediately. I have no desire to inflict that upon my faction in any game, so I am not really interested in doing so.

Your persistent rolefishing is noted though.

lol I like the random omgus at the end. A miller claim is fine in a normal but in a theme I expect role name too.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:33 am

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Klazam wrote:redFF- Why do you want a nameclaim? I'd judge the claim on its own merits. A name does not add anything to the role, i believe.

unvote, vote redFF


I'll just treat that miller claim like a nulltell, but in my limited experience- I'd be inclined to believe it. Lynch RBT if RBT looks scummy, dont lynch RBT if RBT seems town, lynch RBT before we get to lylo. thats all i think the claim means to me.

because if we got a name claim then this would be a lot more believable. Since its a theme game a name claim would be useful since if she is counterclaimed then we lynch her. It's a bit late now though because shes stalled enough to make up one.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:34 am

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@rbt do you have any links to games where you've been miller before?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:56 am

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redFF wrote:
Klazam wrote:redFF- Why do you want a nameclaim? I'd judge the claim on its own merits. A name does not add anything to the role, i believe.

unvote, vote redFF


I'll just treat that miller claim like a nulltell, but in my limited experience- I'd be inclined to believe it. Lynch RBT if RBT looks scummy, dont lynch RBT if RBT seems town, lynch RBT before we get to lylo. thats all i think the claim means to me.

it's very easy for scum to fakeclaim miller first post. it's harder for scum to think up a character that works with the claim and risk being counterclaimed. Luckily this is a theme game and we can ask for that.

VOTE: Riceballtail


Usually in theme games scum get convincing fake claims. I know in theme games that I mod, I will ALWAYS give a fake claim if character alignment is not randomized. I have used Superman as Mafia in games etc. which brings me to

@Mod: Are characters alignments randomized, or pre-set in this game?
Im not entirely sure what you mean?
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:02 am

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Haven't had a chance to read yet, will read tonight. Just wanted to let the mod know that I cannot read the bright blue on the blue ish background.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:18 am

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Red, usually the mafia has a back-up idea, and it's normal to claim miller right away if you are. You seem scummy at the moment (Quick vote past RVS, not understanding the miller claim etc). However I'd also say Rice should fully claim.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:29 am

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Hmm... 3 pages while I'm asleep. Fun.

Riceballtail: Really weird miller claim right off the bat.
@Internet Stranger: You mentioned games where Riceballtail was scum and had different strategies and such. Links?

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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:44 am

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uh.. I dont remember. There was one with werewolves and some movie one. There was one more, it was some small game. I know I have nailed her as scum Day 1 a couple of times.

Either way, her actions just screams: "Oh shit, IS is here again, GAMBIT!" more than "I want to help the town". I think millers can wait past Day 1 to start this miller nonsense, all she has done, if she truly was a miller, is given a topic for the scum to hide behind.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:51 am

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I've never played with a miller before, but I'm of the mindset that a Miller should not claim unless you're scummy enough to actually get investigated at night. So for now, I'll

Unvote:
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Xeras, IS and Pine:
1) In your games with her, Is Riceballtail generally a scummy player regardless of alignment?
2) Is Riceballtail a useful scumhunter?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:02 am

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Ravel, why should a miller not claim until beig scummy enough to actually be investigated? that is a tatic that would suit scum better as a convienient reason as to why scum would have a guilty on them.

General practice is to claim right away. Ravel and Small are pinging up my radar. But RedFF is scummiest so far.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:06 am

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what I meant was that if I was a Miller, I would only claim if I was a scummy player regardless of alignment, hence my first question to those who have played with RBT.

That's because scummy players are those who get investigated.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:09 am

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Because its a big giant bag of WIFOM, Jason. She could be lynched for non-investigative reasons or the scum could have killed her at night before the game is over. Now because of this bullshit, she has dominated the conversation, scumhunting has gone down to 0. Scum could either go after the people going after RBT (like you) or they could go after RBT (others), so now we have nothing except a wasted day and WIFOM shenanigans.

Its the same premise as to why claiming is bullshit and to why fools think L-1 is somehow magical.

So really, what the fuck did we gain? Thanks for being so useful yet again RBT. Dont worry baby, youll get it right eventually.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:12 am

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exactly, I'd rather the Miller stay quiet and attract the Night kill. Cause now, the Mafia won't target RBT and she'll be attracting suspicion from town every day she's alive.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:36 am

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jdm998 wrote:Red, usually the mafia has a back-up idea, and it's normal to claim miller right away if you are. You seem scummy at the moment (Quick vote past RVS, not understanding the miller claim etc). However I'd also say Rice should fully claim.

I understad exactly what a miller claim is lol. It;s just in a theme game a miller isn;t called a miller. Im struggling to think of a ghostusters character that would qualify as a miller. The fact that there was no nameclaim means that this could very easily be scum fakeclaiming. In normal games we don't have the advantage theme games do because a miller is just called a miller.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:00 am

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I wouldnt mind a nameclaim since we are down this road anyways. RBT, sweetie, hows about a name claim, please?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:10 am

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Ravel wrote:exactly, I'd rather the Miller stay quiet and attract the Night kill. Cause now, the Mafia won't target RBT and she'll be attracting suspicion from town every day she's alive.

Meh. It's way too common a strategy for a miller to claim first post for this to really register either way with me. I'm also actually ok with not roleclaiming immediately and seeing if someone counter claims. That's what I would do if I were a Miller. About the most useful way of playing this role is to catch a liar in a counter claim.

I wouldn't get too excited unless there *is* a counter claim.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:16 am

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THE LONGER YOU TAKE TO NAMECLAIM THE MORE SUSPICIOUS YOU GET.

Riceballtail wrote:Well, as long as I don't claim my role name, we can potentially catch scum for trying to take the character I have. This does however assume they don't have fakeclaims. There's no reason to presume either way, so it's best to keep all information that DOESN'T need to be made public out of scum's hands.

It's also good form to claim miller in your first post if you are.

Riceballtail wrote:Would you rather I didn't claim it and got lynched for a guilty verdict later in LyLo?

I'm not sure if nameclaiming is key right now.

keep stalling

if rbt's next post isn't a nameclaim we should lynch.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:15 am

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jasonT1981 wrote:

@Mod: Are characters alignments randomized, or pre-set in this game?
Im not entirely sure what you mean?


OK, what I mean is, in my SuperHero mafia, I completly randomized Character alignment, and Superman ended up being scum despite being a good guy eliminating the need for fake claiming and basically confirming alignment via name claims. So is it the same here? or are characters pre-set as in town would be good guy characters such as the 4 main GBs and scum would all be ghost or demon characters.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:16 am

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basically eliminating confirming alignment via name claims sorry*
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:20 am

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redFF wrote:THE LONGER YOU TAKE TO NAMECLAIM THE MORE SUSPICIOUS YOU GET.

Riceballtail wrote:Well, as long as I don't claim my role name, we can potentially catch scum for trying to take the character I have. This does however assume they don't have fakeclaims. There's no reason to presume either way, so it's best to keep all information that DOESN'T need to be made public out of scum's hands.

It's also good form to claim miller in your first post if you are.

Riceballtail wrote:Would you rather I didn't claim it and got lynched for a guilty verdict later in LyLo?

I'm not sure if nameclaiming is key right now.

keep stalling

if rbt's next post isn't a nameclaim we should lynch.


Why are you so quick to lynch bruv? A miller NEEDS to say they're a miller. RBT's done that. Nothing scummy about that to me. Maybe you play different, but every game I've been in, miller's have claimed. A name cliam would be cool, but right now you're just jumping to lynch right away, and if we mislynch then somebody gets nighkilled we'd be in a bad spot. Stop overreacting right away, it's annoying and works against us.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:21 am

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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:39 am

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Usually, a complete claim involves a roleclaim and a nameclaim in themed games, to verify the role with the flavor name.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:06 am

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jdm998 wrote:
redFF wrote:THE LONGER YOU TAKE TO NAMECLAIM THE MORE SUSPICIOUS YOU GET.

Riceballtail wrote:Well, as long as I don't claim my role name, we can potentially catch scum for trying to take the character I have. This does however assume they don't have fakeclaims. There's no reason to presume either way, so it's best to keep all information that DOESN'T need to be made public out of scum's hands.

It's also good form to claim miller in your first post if you are.

Riceballtail wrote:Would you rather I didn't claim it and got lynched for a guilty verdict later in LyLo?

I'm not sure if nameclaiming is key right now.

keep stalling

if rbt's next post isn't a nameclaim we should lynch.


Why are you so quick to lynch bruv? A miller NEEDS to say they're a miller. RBT's done that. Nothing scummy about that to me. Maybe you play different, but every game I've been in, miller's have claimed. A name cliam would be cool, but right now you're just jumping to lynch right away, and if we mislynch then somebody gets nighkilled we'd be in a bad spot. Stop overreacting right away, it's annoying and works against us.

...I'm not arguing about or saying anything about a first post miller claim. My issue is completely different. Please learn to read.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:07 am

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smallpeoples343 wrote:Usually, a complete claim involves a roleclaim and a nameclaim in themed games, to verify the role with the flavor name.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:15 am

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Internet Stranger wrote:Because its a big giant bag of WIFOM, Jason. She could be lynched for non-investigative reasons or the scum could have killed her at night before the game is over. Now because of this bullshit, she has dominated the conversation, scumhunting has gone down to 0. Scum could either go after the people going after RBT (like you) or they could go after RBT (others), so now we have nothing except a wasted day and WIFOM shenanigans.

Its the same premise as to why claiming is bullshit and to why fools think L-1 is somehow magical.

So really, what the fuck did we gain? Thanks for being so useful yet again RBT. Dont worry baby, youll get it right eventually.


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