Open 354: Twin Trap in Morecambe (Concluded)

[J]

Trevor, if you dislike Sampson's attack on me, what makes you of Daft's attack on me?

[Thomas]

Mod: Prod Adc75 please.

Are you serious? That attack is terrible. I had to reread it a couple times just to understand where the scum motivation was.

What

is

the scum motivation there?

I'm getting a better feeling from Trevor now so

Unvote: Trevor

[Johhog]

VOTECOUNT 1.7

Jora

: Guy_Named_Riggs

(L-4)

[J] (2)

: daftnarwhal, Sampson

(L-3)

Adc75

: [J]

(L-4)

Sampson

: Trevor

(L-4)

Not voting

: Adc75, Jora, don_johnson, Thomas

V/LA

: Guy_Named_Riggs (Nov 16)

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2011-11-25 04:36:09)

Prodding Adc75.

[Adc75]

Back and ready to go, sorry for needing to be prodded everybody. I'll need a little time to catch up and post my thoughts, should be done with that tonight.

[don_johnson]

i think sampson and adc are the best candidates so far. i don't like sampsons attack on J, and get an overall town vibe from J. trevor and thomas are ok, with thomas as an outside shot for scum depending on the sampson flip. adc will need to be iso'd.

in short:

lynch pool = adc, sam, guynamedriggs, daft. not in that order and i'm almost willing to remove daft from that equation.

i'll try and get a reread in today and post a solid case with a vote.

[daftnarwhal]

Do you really think I'd just be like "Oh they are pushing a null, I'm okay with this."? Nooooo way in hell my good sir.

Yes, I do think that. Because you told us this:

Sampson, The reason I am okay with lynching them, is because of the fact I could be wrong on them.

I don't mind losing nulls/null-scum leans because I could be wrong on them.

I am wanting to lynch those I find are scummy, look at my votes and what I am doing. Where did I say I am not lynching people who are scummy? =3

@J: You realize you have more scumreads than there are scum, right? You're basically saying you're willing to lynch half of the players here. That just doesn't sit well with me. It makes it way too easy to just switch from one bandwagon to another. I do agree about Opa and DJ being town, though. The motivation behind Opa/Jora's posts seems to be largely (if not primarily) motivated for emotional/personal reasons. I know you're on V/LA and all, but until you explain your reads, my vote's on you.

Vote: [J]

Yes I do realize I have more "scum-reads" then there are scum.

I also did not say I have scum-reads on You/Daft but you guys are just null who I don't really mind seeing going because I do not mind losing nulls because I could be wrong on them.

Adc is the only real scum-read I have and Thomas is just a lean.

I don't get why you are voting me really because the action you are saying I am doing is not scummy really. =P

These statements seem very contradictory. You say that you are not okay with people pushing a null (in the first quoted post) but then you go on to say in the others that you are fine with your null reads being lynched. Which is it? You said you try to have an open mind with the thread, but it seems to me from what you said that you pursue your scumreads, but you just don't care what other people do. I find this to be really scummy.

How is being fine with lynching nulls not fine? By saying that statement, I got reactions out of it. I also gauged for how others felt based on it. I also have no problem with getting rid of nulls for me because I have no read on them so if they flip town, there are stuff to follow based on their interactions and if they are scum, then good for us.

So was reaction-hunting the reason you said what you did? And I don't like your explanation. I don't think that lynching for connections is a good way for town to play.

[Sampson]

@J: You realize you have more scumreads than there are scum, right?
Vote: [J]

Are you serious? That attack is terrible. I had to reread it a couple times just to understand where the scum motivation was.

Unvote

,

Vote: Sampson

I could say the same about this. Did you not read the part where I said I wanted an explanation for his reads? Of course I'm going to be suspicious if someone lists off four people they want to be lynched with such little reasoning. Also, I'm going to agree with Thomas. Please elaborate on what you've identified as the "scum motivation" behind my post. Your accusation lacks substance.

A connection on a town flip is who they questioned, who they were looking at, others views on that slot, and a few other arrays of info based on flips. Flips are wonderous because they illuminate so many paths. <3

It's kind of why I abhor D1 with a passion.

But if someone flips town, that doesn't mean that they were right. Their main suspects could have all been town, for all you know.

Sampson, The reason I am okay with lynching them, is because of the fact I could be wrong on them. I don't mind losing nulls/null-scum leans because I could be wrong on them. I am wanting to lynch those I find are scummy, look at my votes and what I am doing. Where did I say I am not lynching people who are scummy? =3

I was replying directly in response to you saying you were fine with lynching null reads. Why would you consider lynching null reads if you also have scum reads? Why would you vote someone that you had no definite opinion on? I just can't see anyone do that unless they're scum jumping on a bandwagon.

[Jora]

The middle part of activity spectrum (imo most comfortable for teh scum): Sampson (11), Trevor (12), {Johhog - mod taken as normal} (14), Guy_Named_Riggs (16), Adc75 (18)

Lync all lurkers part of spectrum: Thomas (9), daftnarwhal (10)

Which in fact is very relative, so the only noticable thing is 9,10,11,12: Thomas, daftnarwhal, Sampson, Trevor
IMO at least one scum must be there.
Since I somewhat like Thomas, daftnarwhal, Trevor for various reasons. More precisely:

[J] < Adc75 = Guy_Named_Riggs = Thomas < Trevor < Sampson
daftnarwhal?

in my list of scummyness.
I'll put a

vote on Sampson

[Trevor]

Yeah, I'm really unmotivated to play this game and am starting to get bored with it. Replace me.

[don_johnson]

a) stay in kitty, its just gettin good.

b) bold it if you want the mod to notice.

[Trevor]

Replace me

[Jora]

@ Trevor
Ah, you little... You recently win the similar game as a scum, wtf a you bored to play if you town? If this is the case I would kill you aftergame.

[Thomas]

Back and ready to go, sorry for needing to be prodded everybody. I'll need a little time to catch up and post my thoughts, should be done with that tonight.

I don't see your updated thoughts yet...

It looks like people are going after Sampson. I will go back and re-read some posts in the thread before I can decide where to put my vote but I don't see much of a case on Sampson right now.

[Johhog]

Searching after a replacement for Trevor.

JonWJ007 is awesome. Give him a warm welcome everyone!

[JonWJ007]

Hey guys. Posting tomorrow, need to get some sleep first! (it's midnight for me now)

[Adc75]

Yo GNR, you never told me what posts made you think Narwhal is town. All you said was you had a gut read, but I asked you which posts made you feel that way. Are you talking about some kind of pre-game gut read? Surely there must be a specific post that made you feel that way.

[Johhog]

Prodding [J].

[daftnarwhal]

@everyone What do you think of J?

[don_johnson]

J is town so fars.

[Adc75]

[J] is town
admitting to a mistake I think is town.

That's really a WIFOM reason to believe me as town. =x

This strikes me as odd about J. She says that GNR is using WIFOM to claim that J is town, but is actually setting up some WIFOM of her own (ex. Why would Scum!J not want to just take that towncred and run with it?). I also don't think that was WIFOM on the part of GNR. He's simply saying what

he

thinks, not what he thinks everyone

ought

to think.

And without pressing the issue further on GNR, what did J saying GNR shouldn't think she's town help Town at all?

Also, GNR is saying he thinks way to many people are town in this game. FoS GNR

VOTE: J
J seems like a pretty good lynch candidate to me because this interaction is just so weird to me, and I'd like to see her flip to determine just whether or not GNR knows who the entire town is, if you catch my drift. I'd also compromise on GNR, obviously, but I don't think both of these players are the same alignment. J seems to know what she's doing better than GNR does so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but if J gets lynched D1 and flips town I'd push for GNR's lynch D2.

Also, to clear up why I asked Town if they thought DJ/Jora was Town vs. Town - I wanted to see if anyone wanted to quickly get some towncred since it looked like Jora might be lynched. Daft jumped on the bait, Thomas didn't. Also, GNR seems to think Daft is town, but can't explain why other than gut and has ignored my questions asking me to direct him to some kind of post that gave him this gut feeling.

Jora is the only player I'd list as town for certain, since I don't think there's any scum would make nearly as big of a stink as he did in his feud with basically the whole thread. JonW's slot (formerly Trevor) I at least hope is town, since in a two scum game dropping out D1 for boredom is pretty shitty to do to your partner. I'm null on everyone else ATM, but of those null reads only my read on DJ leans town. Sampson and Thomas are solidly null to me, and Daft leans slightly scum to me depending on some flips (why did he ask what everyone else thinks of J?)

[Adc75]

Sorry J, I don't know why I thought you were female. The avatar I guess, since I thought Sampson was female too.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

So, I say narwhal is town. How is that bad? I was simply stating what I thought at the time. However, the fact that I haven't seen a post from narwhal lately makes me think that he's coasting because some thinks he town

FoS Narwhal

better catch up will be made later, but I have so much homework to catch up on

[Sampson]

@DJ: What don't you like about my case on J?

[daftnarwhal]

@GNR So you find

me

suspicious because

you

are calling me town? And I have posted lately. Look at #180. What do you think of it? And looking over the thread, I posted more recently than you before your #196, so I'm not trying to coast. And, I don't really like the way you've been posting. Call it a gut read, but you haven't really pushed anyone and haven't given any real scumreads so far. And, you call people town a lot (twice) without giving much of a reason. I think that is kinda suspicious.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I call people town based on gut, not so much of seeing posts as town, but rather, I don't see posts that are scummy