League of Legends (Old)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Madreds Bloodrazor, Zerk Greaves, Malady, Wit's End, Phantom Dancer, Sword of the Divine. All that onhit.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh yeah...watching Elementz's stream plus Westrice's MLG play with Vayne, I want to get her too. Especially since I've fallen out of love with Caitlyn.

[Ankamius]

Just played against a garbage Tristana that built Black Cleaver -> Madreds Bloodrazor -> Quicksilver Sash

[scotmany12]

FTR, IE is pretty great on Vayne. It's just whether you prefer that or BT. Rushing two PD is stupid. If you get a second PD, it should be your last item.

[MrZepher]

Madreds Bloodrazor, Zerk Greaves, Malady, Wit's End, Phantom Dancer, Sword of the Divine. All that onhit.

my god.

I might actually try that.

[JDodge]

lol. Fair enough. I don't play vayne. JD would know. That said I'm interested too. Vayne is on my to buy list.

She does scale really well off attack speed because of her silver bolts. Actually thinking about it 2 PDs and an IE wouldn't be too bad.

oh hello

vayne is pretty much built like any AD carry; i see a lot a lot a lot of people getting black cleaver on her nowadays, but i dislike flat armor pen/reduc if i'm getting % down the line (last whisper is a must on most any AD carry at any decent level where people know to buy resistances)

first item is either a bt or an ie followed by a pd (i'm coming to the conclusion that IE is a better buy unless you're absolutely certain you can count on your teammates to protect you and allow you to farm your bt up on

any

ranged AD); from there build situational defensive item du jour (usually MR, which means usually a BV but sometimes a QSS) and then situational AD items as necessary

max Q first if you're new to vayne, E first once you're used to her and can hit walls consistently

take Q at level 1 unless you want to be aggressive at level 1, in which case take E

take E sometime between level 1-4 when you want to turn on the aggressive

try to lane with someone who can help you cc them to death (taric, alistar) or burst them the fuck down (sona)

[Espeonage]

but ie is so pro

[Fate]

Vayne scales better with attack speed as opposed to say Tristana who scaled better with AD. That's why you ALWAYS see Trist rush an IEdge regardless.

Vayne with IEdge isn't the most optimal imo. Yeah it still hurts like a fuckton because its an IEdge but it isn't as efficient on her as say Black cleaver or BT into PDancer (cheaper than Iedge into PD)

BCleaver > IEdge for mid-game dominance. Sure late game you'll want an Whisper but by midgame its rare your main targets will have Armor built up, and being able to kill something during a single Ult+Condemn stun is key to winning mid game fights at Drag etc.

But that's just my experience anyway. No build is going to be perfect in all situations (example being a team with Soraka+Rammus whos going to have a fuckton of armor all game anyway).

[MrZepher]

I've been doing BT into PD and then building situationally the last couple of games I played her, maxing Q then E...

Apparently I'm not doing anything too wrong yet. Thanks for the info though

[JDodge]

Vayne scales better with attack speed as opposed to say Tristana who scaled better with AD. That's why you ALWAYS see Trist rush an IEdge regardless.

Vayne with IEdge isn't the most optimal imo. Yeah it still hurts like a fuckton because its an IEdge but it isn't as efficient on her as say Black cleaver or BT into PDancer (cheaper than Iedge into PD)

BCleaver > IEdge for mid-game dominance. Sure late game you'll want an IEdge by by midgame its rare your main targets will have Armor built up, and being able to kill something during a single Ult+Condemn stun is key to winning mid game fights at Drag etc.

But that's just my experience anyway. No build is going to be perfect in all situations (example being a team with Soraka+Rammus whos going to have a fuckton of armor all game anyway).

i submit to fate's knowledge, he's a tons better vayne than i am

[Fate]

IM NOTHIN WITHOUT YOUR TARIC STUNS BABY

<3

[scotmany12]

First off, I hate black cleaver as an item. The speed is nice, but I will always prefer straight up armor pen in last whisper (obviously against a bad team that builds no armor, bc is the way to go). With that in mind, I see no reason not to get an IE or a BT on vayne, and I think both are better than BC. Concerning attack speed and silver bolts, in team fights you will most likely not be getting 3 hits off on one person (assuming you're team is well cooridinated). I prefer IE for the extra crit since you are most likely going to build one PD. It is of course all preference though.

Fate is obviously right that no build is going to be perfect. Do what you feel is best.

[xRECKONERx]

Black Cleaver, though, applies that armor pen to your whole team whereas Last Whisper only applies to

you

.

[Ranmaru]

How the fuck do I lane against Cait. (as Teemo)

I mean... I just tower hugged but I got hurt real bad.

Also... should I use blinding dart more? Is it effective?

----

I also think laning against Annie is kinda even unless I'm doing it wrong. I killed her more

for

while being a bit passive tho (she sucked tho)

[scotmany12]

True, true. But you're the ad carry. You're the one who should be doing the most damage. You're jungler and/or bruiser can take care of themselves. And with building attack speed on vayne, you're hurting her condemn spell. It does so much burst damage if you position correctly, and can take an enemy out of the game. Tumble is also hurt, AS isn't improving you're damage. You're improving you're silver bolts, but only slightly really. You're attack speed already scales decently, plus masteries and PD. BT and IE will do more damage overall.

[Ranmaru]

Like, I'm so furious right now. They played so well yesterday. Today? Terrible. Just terrible. Probably fucking partied too hard yesterday after learning people thought of them as favorites to win, and they're all hungover.

I missed the first set of the losers matches day and didn't know why they lost... I was surprised.

[Elmo]

How the fuck do I lane against Cait. (as Teemo)

lol

don't

[xRECKONERx]

Like, I'm so furious right now. They played so well yesterday. Today? Terrible. Just terrible. Probably fucking partied too hard yesterday after learning people thought of them as favorites to win, and they're all hungover.

I missed the first set of the losers matches day and didn't know why they lost... I was surprised.

I also missed their matches... I assumed TSM would take 0-1 matches at most. They just completely stomped Epik though. It was bad.

I'm surprised Epik kept letting them get Maokai. I think Epik fucked up by not changing any of the bans.

[Oman]

Welcome to "Improve my rammus".

At the moment I'm going Cloth+5 -> razors; boots swiftness; razors -> wriggles; thornmail. Then who know what, depending on the game at hand. I'm looking for better ways to maximise those early jungles and ganks.

[MrZepher]

Like, I'm so furious right now. They played so well yesterday. Today? Terrible. Just terrible. Probably fucking partied too hard yesterday after learning people thought of them as favorites to win, and they're all hungover.

I missed the first set of the losers matches day and didn't know why they lost... I was surprised.

I also missed their matches... I assumed TSM would take 0-1 matches at most. They just completely stomped Epik though. It was bad.

I'm surprised Epik kept letting them get Maokai. I think Epik fucked up by not changing any of the bans.

Well the last thing they wanted to do was let TSM play their main champions. I guess they thought they could beat them out with just picks/counterpicks.
They REALLY should have banned Maokai though. That was silly on their part.

IMO they would have lost whether team composition was in their favor or not. TSM outplayed them entirely.

[ToastyToast]

somehow I thought I had posted in here. Apparently not. Yeah, this year has been filled with LoL.

Account is "Halbeard," and I usually play Sona, Maokai, and Miss Fortune. Add me

I was watchin the games, and I must say, the rammus simply wasn't tanky enough. I don't really think I've ever seen a great Rammus. The Zilean choice was silly too.

[TheButtonmen]

Welcome to "Improve my rammus".

At the moment I'm going Cloth+5 -> razors; boots swiftness; razors -> wriggles; thornmail. Then who know what, depending on the game at hand. I'm looking for better ways to maximise those early jungles and ganks.

Based off of my time spent watching Shanba (...that came out creepier then exepected) Boots of swiftness if a waste of gold at at point in the game, you have powerball for when you really need to haul ass chasing someone / cross large areas of the map, you can keep on lvl 1 boots for quite a while on rammus as you have an insane move speed steroid. The same can be said of the thornmail, you have an insane armor/mr steroid in DBC so you need HP not more resistances so grab a phage / giants belt rather then that Thornmail and latter turn it into a Frozen mallet when you have the gold.

Now that I've got the following down pat;

AD Carry: Ashe
Jungler: Udyr, WW
AP Carry: Ryze, Vlad (yeah yeah TBM is unconventional but regular AP carries are lame, boring, squishy and don't fulfill my bruiser fixation.)
Top bruiser: Uh... You name it I can probably play it.

I need to work on my supports (And no unfortunatly Blitz and Galio don't count ).

This should be interesting.

[MrZepher]

I usually don't make the direct effort to upgrade to boots 2 until the first tower is down (end of laning phase)

[TheButtonmen]

Also as a sidenote, I was watching my buddy play Graves w/ Ali support and he ended up against bottom lane combo of Urgot / Teemo.

But he

ate an orang

e broke out my OP as shit AD carry build and was 'kay, but versus players who don't understand the true path to lane success / who's relied on right clicks rather then shotguns for dmg / if the teemo was competent at split pushing I actually think it's a viable gimmick as temmo requires little farm to split push effectively and Urgot requires less farm then most AD carries due to the nature of his style / his R.

[TheButtonmen]

P.S.S: I'm glad Maokai was strongly featured in this recent tournament as I've spent the past few days since new masteries talking him up as a jungler / how good his ult* is.

*His ult gets better as the game goes on and scales off how fed your opponents are! It's like a better dodge then also works on spells!