Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[IceGuy]

Could you claim what your Miller role actually implies (everything you know from the role PM)?

[DeltaWave]

I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

[Korlash]

That gives me an idea... >.> Hmmm...

Ok, so I have a bit of time off after tomorrow. I'll dig back into the cached pages for Iceman and a little more on V2V and hopefully get to look into this brilliant new idea I just had... What fun that shall be. Sadly, I've been up for... oh... too long so sleep time is now... ZzZz

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.3:

DeltaWave - IceGuy, kondi2424, iStark
Glass - ActionDan
IceGuy - vijay2vasandani
Rylai Crestfall - Malthusis
vijay2vasandani - Rylai Crestfall, Korlash, BBmolla
kondi2424 - Luckyjt
ActionDan - Glass

Not Voting: , Lopsy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)

Also, Rylai Crestfall is being replaced.

[Korlash]

Mod: Great and glorious sir of sirs, sires of sires, spires of spires... um... inspires of inspirerens?... In my half asleep state I seem to have developed double vision, seeing my name multiple times on the vote count. Oh great one, won't you please show me the error of my torpid ways?

You're not supposed to tell them that I gave you--uh, I mean, VC fixed. *aweseomface.jpg*

[vijay2vasandani]

Ok Im liking what Krolash is posting so far since he is engaging players which is what we needed.

Kondi seems to only post when someone has suspicions on him and lays back when no one is posting anything about him.

And sorry for being gone, I had things to deal with. i should fully be back by tomorrow.

Dat IRONY. Really man?

@ Korlash: that's the difference. I can't think of any reason scum would do it. Then I realised you don't know my alignment. If you think I was lying about my reasons I guess you're entitled to those opinions. Regarding the attacks that supposedly relieved pressure from my wagon could you explain which ones are you talking about? I can't download the file on my phone so I'm going to do it off memory.

@ BB: there's only one way to explain it. The "kuribo effect".

Regarding DW's claim: I've already stated what I think that mafia goon clause to his thing might entail.

[IceGuy]

I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

Anything else?

[DeltaWave]

There's a buttload of flavor but that doesn't seem relevant to the game mechanics.

[IceGuy]

Could somebody make the rescued pages available again?

[iStark]

@Korlash, 4G? >.<

@BB Well sorry for failing to make impression, but game has been rather dead in last few days nor have I been OL much to give thread re-read.

[BBmolla]

And here you go.

Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia - recovered file

It is a .rar file, so you'll have to download and unpack it (with 7-zip or similar). Keep the folder struture as it is, otherwise the style and images won't work.

Unfortunately, Page 1 could not be recovered; otherwise, all the posts till post #382 are present.

Please let me know if there are any errors or you have trouble downloading/opening it.

Good luck!

This is the one I used.

[Glass]

@MOD
Sorry but I have been busy and am going to germany for a few weeks, I hate doing this but please replace me

Haa...Very well.

[Luckyjt]

Ok Im liking what Krolash is posting so far since he is engaging players which is what we needed.

Kondi seems to only post when someone has suspicions on him and lays back when no one is posting anything about him.

And sorry for being gone, I had things to deal with. i should fully be back by tomorrow.

Dat IRONY. Really man?

@ Korlash: that's the difference. I can't think of any reason scum would do it. Then I realised you don't know my alignment. If you think I was lying about my reasons I guess you're entitled to those opinions. Regarding the attacks that supposedly relieved pressure from my wagon could you explain which ones are you talking about? I can't download the file on my phone so I'm going to do it off memory.

@ BB: there's only one way to explain it. The "kuribo effect".

Regarding DW's claim: I've already stated what I think that mafia goon clause to his thing might entail.

I dont see an irony, no one was accusing me of anything so it seems. I clearly stated I was not posting because I was busy, but starting today I can begin posting once more.

I am in the process of creating a list of my thoughts so far.

[Korlash]

Ok rereading the cached pages as we speak.... I may be bringing some of those posts here so the lot of you can see them. (those who can't otherwise that is)

Spoiler: V2V's fake hammer

VOTE: Kondi (L-1)

Kondi hasn't explained anything other than "Glass is not using meta to clear me, thus is scum", which is complete bull. None of this was also explained in the initial vote other than declaring a 1v1. On page 2. That quick vote spamming is also bad enough. Actually, reading closer, your post 24 is convincing me you're scum, completely ignoring Glass's question.

VOTE: kondi

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Day end, watch out for the scums.

Throwing this up for reference. For starters I just want to make it clear that it was Rylai who initially put Kondi at 'L-1', regardless of what you feel about his fake hammer it certainly adds a new level knowing it was only possible due to another player's mishap.

Second: he fake hammered Kondi. <- Reason scum would do it = saving your partner's f'ing life. Either by making the pressure on him evaporate or using this to 'confirm' him as town.

Alright, following the fake hammer V2V begins taking some heat and Kondi disappears for nearly two pages. When he comes back he is entirely focused on Iceman (might be an unfair assertion since it was mostly just the two of them bickering back and forth.) He manages to keep the discussion mostly trained on Iceman with his only comment on the V2V wagon being:

I disapprove of the vijay lynch. Then again, he always looks town to me... Meh, still don't like the peeps on the wagon.

later:

V2V, at legitimate L-2 places a third vote on Rylai.

Yeah no. You may have placed the second vote, but you're reasoning was both invalid and scummy. Then you try to hide that by taking credit of Otto's case which although wrong, I believe was without malicious intent.

VOTE: Rylai

Key to note, both Kondi and Glass avoid voting for Rylai, but both chastise others who do the same. Glass wags a finger at Mist for unvoting Rylai:

What is this? First off you already unvoted, but since you must have forgotten you felt the need to unvote rylai because he had 3 votes? Not to mention its not "so fast" considering the last person to vote for him (you) was on page 7

With a followup pointing out she 'didn't revote after unvoting', And Kondi attacks Otto for his opinions of Rylai (town) and V2V (scum):

^Your comparison of Vijay and Rylai there is complete crap. What was scummy about Vijay's fakehammer in your opinion?

Follow up by Glass:

You are missing the actual scummy move made by rylai, otto. It isn't the fact that he miscounted, but the fact that he apparently didn't know what was going on and yet was willing to put kondi at L-1

Both clearly like the idea of more votes on Rylai... Neither actually vote... It's because your partner was on the wagon, right fellas?

DW's miller claim, awesome just what I was looking for... *skipping that for now*

Oh wow, look at this beauty...

God. Another scummy person. So you don't want to lynch someone who you think is lying about being miller because...
...
Need to look over malth+rylai again.

What? Why is Rylai being scum news to you? why do you have to 'look over him' again. You had just spent a lot of time campaigning for votes on him... Unless that was some fabrication brought on through need... You know, like your partner was in danger...

Ok ok, now that that is done with I can start my real intentions here...

Hmmm... Oh... hmmm... Interesting...

Is it just me who actually read the thread? It seems like everyone missed an important piece of information... Well... mostly Iceman... But also everyone...

So here's the skinny of the situation. I believe DW's miller claim, mostly due to the fact he actually claimed it fairly properly when you look at it so if it is a fakeclaim, props for thinking ahead good sir. I believe all three (V2V, Kondi, and Glass) acted in the way I would expect them to as scum. Kondi jumping on DW to put pressure quickly anywhere aside from his partners and the other two avoiding it. However, my hypothesis ran into trouble with the 'town' side of things. There is a catch with DW's claim and unfortunately that skews my results too much to actually use as evidence... poo... Still, my scum trio looks like a definite winner after this read up and I'm happy as a clam for it.

For what it's worth, I'd lynch DW today if it came to it. I'll always adhere to the better safe than sorry plan especially with the drama involved in his claim, but I'd prefer a V2V lynch, or hell even a Kondi lynch. And just because I like ending on a what the f-cannon style note... Iceman is obviously town (unless DW is scum that is...) so why is V2V voting him? Seriously?

Let's lynch this motha, then go steal something!

[Korlash]

@ Korlash: that's the difference. I can't think of any reason scum would do it. Then I realised you don't know my alignment. If you think I was lying about my reasons I guess you're entitled to those opinions. Regarding the attacks that supposedly relieved pressure from my wagon could you explain which ones are you talking about? I can't download the file on my phone so I'm going to do it off memory.

I think I more or less covered all this. I would like to have gone into more detail over the 'attacks that supposedly relieved pressure from your wagon' but having just reread it... I can't. I literally said all i can say. They're there, but they aren't like "totally a lot here to talk about here people"...

@Korlash, 4G? >.<

Yeah, you're like Apple's version of Ironman's secret identity... iStark...

[Korlash]

I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

For everyone's sake (and to hopefully move past you and onto real scum) could you do us the honor of redoing your paraphrasing of your role please.

[ActionDan]

Glorious Monday came and went and I'm exhausted from the full day's events. (I had time earlier to post something but ZzzzzZZ) Anyway I'll post more fluently tuesday.

Quick stuff: BBmolla's entrance is cool with me for the most part. I vehemently disagree with his ill-feelings towards lopsy though.

Korash is amazing. Like. I really don't know what to say here. That's pretty much why I was indignant with Glass voting Rylai. It was arbitrary and without cause despite Glass's focus on bringing attention to Rylai's posts. Malthusis was at least giving out observations that tried to pinpoint why something seemed scummy instead of "that's scummy" which is what glass at best could produce.

As for Vijay it was this post that made me stagger:

@ ActionDan: I see where your coming from. I really do. It's the small game right? But see the thing is, it gets really awkward when you don't see where im coming from. The success of the fakehammer wasn't the conftown, although that was pretty nice in that situation. I can't say anymore because the game is still going. However, I appreciate the effort and I'll be honest you read as town who has just misinterpreted my intentions, both in this game and the other one.

And with regards to scum motivation, you do realise luckyjt did not post anything of consequence during that time? And im not trying to convince lucky of his own scumminess, I've tried already. i should be and was trying to convince you guys so we could lynch my scumread.

The post got to me. I saw the light! Well I've been burned before but this post did not seem faked. It still doesn't but perhaps Vijay can expand a bit further. I always wanted to know what was the supposed success of the fake-hammer and how it applied to this game in Vijay's mind. I have an idea but the words should come first from Vijay.

Otherwise Vijay has done scummy stuff. Like the case on Rylai. And lucky is who again? out of sight out of mind, besides that he should be still scum to vijay.
I'm ok with his lynch but I feel Glass/Kondi are just as good if not better choices.

Im dissipointed Rylai has lurked enough to get replaced. it's his meta now to lurk inconsistantly in his recent games and its his apathy for the game itself that's causing it imo.

BBmolla, why do you think Glass is town?

[vijay2vasandani]

@ActionDan: I've already explained the situation. But the thing that I found was the best part was that it showed me who was scum. The person who thought Quilford was a doublevoter must have known so through his own personal scum power level. Hence, I pinned that person down as scum. Since I was a 1-shot vig and there was only 7 players, I thought that I was going to win it for us XD so I didn't pay attention when TS called Johhog conftown, I just accepted it and tried to get a lynch asap so I could shoot him. I turned out to be right about TS, but Johhog was his buddy X.X

[iStark]

I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

For everyone's sake (and to hopefully move past you and onto real scum) could you do us the honor of redoing your paraphrasing of your role please.

This.

[iStark]

I'm giving this re-read since I've time today and I'm on page 3.

This caught my eye.

Lucky wrote: I see a team forming. Kondi, Glass, and Vijay. If you guys really are scum, im dissapointed on how obvious you guys are so early on in the game.

@People rooting for Glass, kondi and v2v scum team; I've to ask: Is lucky genius to figure out this scum team more then 1month ago? even if it was OMGUS it's quite a achievement.

Irony maybe?

[BBmolla]

BBmolla, why do you think Glass is town?

I don't remember exactly. I think it had to do with Glass basically saying exactly what I was thinking while everyone else was derping.

[DeltaWave]

I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

For everyone's sake (and to hopefully move past you and onto real scum) could you do us the honor of redoing your paraphrasing of your role please.

The mafia is trying to take over my little town. I have the power to vote. Even though I mean well, law enforcement officials do not trust me and investigations will therefore return a result of mafia goon.

I'm very suspicious of this "better safe than sorry" theory. That's ridiculous and you've gained scumpoints for advancing it. It's terrible to waste a D1 lynch on a miller. No information will be gained from that. If someone wants to vig me, then do so if you must but it's ridiculous to blow D1 on the easy out miller claim.

[Luckyjt]

I'm giving this re-read since I've time today and I'm on page 3.

This caught my eye.

Lucky wrote: I see a team forming. Kondi, Glass, and Vijay. If you guys really are scum, im dissapointed on how obvious you guys are so early on in the game.

@People rooting for Glass, kondi and v2v scum team; I've to ask: Is lucky genius to figure out this scum team more then 1month ago? even if it was OMGUS it's quite a achievement.

Irony maybe?

I was just about to point that out as well. Its weird that other are no following suit with my original predictions. Maybe not so with Korlash since he wasnt there at the beginning but more towards Actiondan who says any of those 3 are good lynches after Korlash did, but didnt try to make cases out of them as to why they are mafia. Unless his opinion was completely changed by Krolash's post.

Also my current view on those 3 is that Vijay/Kondi are most like scum while glass is null for the moment.

[Korlash]

@People rooting for Glass, kondi and v2v scum team; I've to ask: Is lucky genius to figure out this scum team more then 1month ago? even if it was OMGUS it's quite a achievement.

Naw, if you read the first page it is fairly obvious the three of them look like partners. I don't usually bank on partners being as blatant about it all game long as they have, so I more than expect at least one of them to flip town. But overall, there is too much 'coincidence' between them and at least one, if not more, is scum for sure. Would it be awesome if all three were scum? hell yeah, I'm just not that... lucky... ha ha ha... didn't even plan that.

The mafia is trying to take over my little town. I have the power to vote. Even though I mean well, law enforcement officials do not trust me and investigations will therefore return a result of mafia goon.

I'm very suspicious of this "better safe than sorry" theory. That's ridiculous and you've gained scumpoints for advancing it. It's terrible to waste a D1 lynch on a miller. No information will be gained from that. If someone wants to vig me, then do so if you must but it's ridiculous to blow D1 on the easy out miller claim.

*Shakes head* Delta... Delta... Uniden... *puts head in hands*

Well sadly, since you $^#%ed up your claim here (or more specifically didn't post the exact thing I was looking for) I can no longer argue against your lynch. So in the event people actually push it, you're on your own mate. The best thing would be for you to just vote V2V and help me push that one instead... wait...

Mod: Where is Delta on the VC? He seems to have gone AWOL, the little bugger.

Now, with that in mind... Don't be getting indignant on me here mate. Lynching you at this time would be more acceptable than Policy lynches, VI lynches, troll lynches... All of those fall within acceptable parameters for day 1 lynches and lynching someone who has given a 'likely fake claim' is always a good lynch. Regardless of day, time, person, claim, etc. Always a good lynch. Is it always the 'best' lynch? No. Is it the best in this situation? No. But it is not 'ridiculous' in any form.

Lynching you isn't about 'gaining information' it's about preserving the game as a whole. If you survive information will be lost due to people's focus being on you, power role info will be lost due to wasting it sorting you out, time will be lost due to dealing with you. Lynching you is an investment, we don't gain a lot of noticeable information from it immediately but we gain a better game and thus more information throughout because of it. It's the exact same thinking of a policy lynch or lynching a village idiot; with the small inclusion that unlike those two lynches, lynching a person with a likely fake claim has a high chance of actually lynching scum.

Argue against your lynch all you want mate, but don't be this wrong about it. If there are people pushing your lynch, not correctly claiming just now and this shit you just pulled isn't going to help your case. Don't bring my V2V case down with your ridiculous antics man, cause I won't have it. *stern look*

[Korlash]

I was just about to point that out as well. Its weird that other are no following suit with my original predictions. Maybe not so with Korlash since he wasnt there at the beginning but more towards Actiondan who says any of those 3 are good lynches after Korlash did, but didnt try to make cases out of them as to why they are mafia. Unless his opinion was completely changed by Krolash's post.

I haven't looked at you a lot through these rereads, so answer me this... If you predicted this so long ago, why is it that I had to come in here and revive it? They've managed to have links between them all game, yet the only known reference of the scum trio is back on page 3?

I'm all for early predictions mate, but you still have a duty to follow up on them. Otherwise, it was no more than a lucky guess... ha... I did it again... You're a fun guy. =D