Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Rainbowdash]

So vote.

No.

Your case on Alice is bad to put it bluntly.

[Slandaar]

Rainbow you think Alice is town?

do explain

[Rainbowdash]

Rainbow you think Alice is town?

do explain

I have a more or less null read on her. Off the top of my head I would lynch Pizza, Furcolow, Kass and Kondi before Alice without a second thought. Your case simply is bad. The only semi-decent point is that she was interested in your reason for voting me and then just dropped it. I mean really? Trouble getting into the game as a

SCUM

tell? Who the hay have you been playing with?

I mean, your "QT case" which as far as I can tell makes up about half of your reasoning immeditaely falls apart if Furcolow is town. When half of your case requires an unflipped player to flip scum, yeah your case is bad.

[Slandaar]

Basically you have put everyone who is a pl/hasnt posted on that list. (furcolow meh he might be scum the others ... yeah)

good scumhunting.

Alice is scum. It is pretty obvious. Skating by on the bare minimum... defends herself of course promptly then vanishes without any scumhunting...

her posting conflicts ideas is the main point btw, but its hard to convey, 'good point no scum motivation' 'town cred but dont think scum' etc, the ideas are conflicted. Even her first post of voting me conflicts with the idea that if she thinks based on 1 game I must be scum thats ludicrous... its a forced reason to vote in rvs. The last person who I saw make such a vote was scum.

[Rainbowdash]

Basically you have put everyone who is a pl/hasnt posted on that list. (furcolow meh he might be scum the others ... yeah)

Kondi is the only pure policy lynch on that list. He is just one of those who if we kill him early town is going to do better no matter what alignment he is. Rest are legitimately scummy.

Alice is scum. It is pretty obvious. Skating by on the bare minimum... defends herself of course promptly then vanishes without any scumhunting...

This sounds very similar to what I called Pizza for. He is just making filler and fence sitting posts the entire time, yet he is... town to you somehow?

her posting conflicts ideas is the main point btw, but its hard to convey, 'good point no scum motivation' 'town cred but dont think scum' etc, the ideas are conflicted.

The pizza comment is odd, but how is it a scum tell? Also how is saying that you dont think somepony is town for reason X, but still think they are town any type of a tell?

Even her first post of voting me conflicts with the idea that if she thinks based on 1 game I must be scum thats ludicrous... its a forced reason to vote in rvs. The last person who I saw make such a vote was scum.

This is in hot contention for "worst tell of the year" award. Are you seriously accusing her of the first vote being a serious vote?

[Slandaar]

Pizza just plays like this all the time just go meta him.

Look I will explain one point in great detail;

Town cred but not scum
HEY HERES SOME DOUBT FOR YOU ABOUT RAINBOW HE COULD BE POSTING FOR TOWN CRED DONT THINK HES TOWN TOO FAST OH BUT THIS DOESNT MEAN I THINK HES SCUM!!! I JUST WANT YOU TO HVE THAT DOUBT!!!
It is trying to put doubt into peoples minds while not actually giving her opinion on the situation.
She even defends herself from any investigations by adding 'BUT I DONT THINK HES SCUM!!!' <-- Mega Defensive/Cautious

It is scummy.

Does it hve a buzzword associated with it? no

But it is scummy

Alice is scum.

also no I didnt say it was serious, but the vote reason is wrong. You must see that? (unless qt theory is correct) in which case both scenarios lead to scum.

[Slandaar]

Pizza is the kind of person who if we get to 1 day before deadline will get lynched

Its really that simple

So scumhunt and stop preying on the weak

[Rainbowdash]

Pizza just plays like this all the time just go meta him.

You are still supposed to lynch ponies like that if they read scummy. Ever wonder why some of the worst players here have some of the better scum records? The reasoning you are using right there.

Town cred but not scum
HEY HERES SOME DOUBT FOR YOU ABOUT RAINBOW HE COULD BE POSTING FOR TOWN CRED DONT THINK HES TOWN TOO FAST OH BUT THIS DOESNT MEAN I THINK HES SCUM!!! I JUST WANT YOU TO HVE THAT DOUBT!!!
It is trying to put doubt into peoples minds while not actually giving her opinion on the situation.

Ummmm... Alice still explicitly called me not scum. She just said what I end up thinking quite a few times most games: "Why is it THAT post that makes them finally get the town read?" or something along those lines. Besides, it was odd for me to get called town by so many for stating the somewhat obvious. I was a little suprised by it myself since it usually takes a bit longer before everypony realizes that im obviously town.

She even defends herself from any investigations by adding 'BUT I DONT THINK HES SCUM!!!' <-- Mega Defensive/Cautious

This is different then Pizza saying "maybe scum maybe not" on the three I explicity ask him to address how?

also no I didnt say it was serious, but the vote reason is wrong. You must see that? (unless qt theory is correct) in which case both scenarios lead to scum.

Ok so we can theorize. Alice knows you were not scum in first game if

1) She is scum with somepony who was scum last game
2) She is mason with somepony who was mason last game

In BOTH of those cases, she shares an alignment with Furcolow since the other scum member (RT) flaked.

So your QT point is ponyfeathers. Try again.

Also im not ABOUT to let you apply this "well Pizza is a VI" thing. That is such a bad arguement if they are actually committing scumtells like he is. Heck I can take half your case or more on Alice and it applies directly to Pizza. All your arugement does is let VI town make it late in the game (bad for town) or let scum VI make it deep in the game (bad for town).

[Kassadin]

Slandaar, u say everyones scum. even in our last game we played. u said i was scum but wat did it turn out? i wasnt scum troll

[Alicewondering]

Elmo, did you even read my explanation on your vote?

I thenvoted Elmo for sheeping, which I see him doing again with his newest vote on me.

So in Post 9 Alice is already going after Slandarr (Im assuming you both were in this the first time around.)

I don't see why this is relevant, and it's untrue in any case.

Elmo, you never answered my question. Here it is again: what reasons did you have to vote me? What parts of Slandaar's case did you (dis)agree with? What points do you have to add of your own?

Even her first post of voting me conflicts with the idea that if she thinks based on 1 game I must be scum thats ludicrous... its a forced reason to vote in rvs. The last person who I saw make such a vote was scum.

a;ldkfj;laksdjf;lksadjf are you freaking kidding me? It's a joke because I mislynched you the last game I played with you and lost the game for the entire town. Your case is weak to say the least.

It is trying to put doubt into peoples minds while not actually giving her opinion on the situation.

"I don't think Rainbow is scum" isn't an opinion? Let me recheck my dictionary again...

Slandaar, I think you've missed the key point here: I WAS NOT REFERRING TO THE FIRST ROLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE GAME WHEN I MADE MY RVS VOTE. I was referring to our previous game. Did you even read?

Kassadin

Who are your scumreads?

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: rainbow

alice, switch to rainbow, obviously

[Furcolow]

Haze I agree on 6 it seemed wrong to me (assuming its the last one)

I wanted to see who spotted it

i'll chime in on this
i feel restriction is sin
i am not following any imposed rules

im not going to lie, as i havent
i should be treated as confirmed town, but at the detriment that scum shall not hit me

[Furcolow]

Why would rainbow post the rules as scum? It would do him no good to. He would be ousted by poe.

Has Kondi said anything since the self vote?

The rules are just a Pony edition of basic rules you learn in newbie games. Nothing special. Tracey is right in calling it as not an obvious indication of Rainbow being town.

the way haze called them out, it actually points the other way
hence my vote

[Furcolow]

Then I'm nieve and a bit crazy as well.

naive*

[Furcolow]

the funny thing is with slandaar's case on alice, i now support both of the top wagons lol
this game is looking breezy
i want rainbow first

[Alicewondering]

unvote;
vote: rainbow

alice, switch to rainbow, obviously

Reasons why I should do this?

i should be treated as confirmed town, but at the detriment that scum shall not hit me

Why?

[Furcolow]

hey you guys im only going to post when im interested in this game which will be when someone is being wagoned (or someone is calling me scum)

see you then!

now you see the pure scummyness from Alices posting?

So vote.

This is good posting

I should probably vote with you

However, I feel like I want Rainbow out of this game. I don't even know him, but it's just what my soul is telling me to go with.

I want to see if Alice will defend or jump onto that wagon, honestly, as I've instructed them to

[Furcolow]

So vote.

No.

Your case on Alice is bad to put it bluntly.

ok now they've mutually chainsawed
this is interesting
im all for either of these wagons

[Furcolow]

Rainbow you think Alice is town?

do explain

way more good posting from slandaar
this guy is a great player
he even words it as an FoS with his "do explain"

Rainbow you think Alice is town?

do explain

I have a more or less null read on her

. Off the top of my head I would lynch Pizza, Furcolow, Kass and Kondi before Alice without a second thought. Your case simply is bad. The only semi-decent point is that she was interested in your reason for voting me and then just dropped it. I mean really? Trouble getting into the game as a

SCUM

tell? Who the hay have you been playing with?

I mean, your "QT case" which as far as I can tell makes up about half of your reasoning immeditaely falls apart if Furcolow is town. When half of your case requires an unflipped player to flip scum, yeah your case is bad.

@Rainbow, on the italicized, you say "i have a null read on her"
but you attack someone else's case? You provide no explanation whatsoever, you simply state things as fact. I don't like that.
I don't mind you saying you'd want to lynch me, here, but why Pizza, Kass, or Kondi?

Kondi hasn't even posted
You want to lynch someone who is even more null than the null read you have on Alice?
PLUS you're defending alice, a null read?
Something smells funny...

[Furcolow]

Basically you have put everyone who is a pl/hasnt posted on that list. (furcolow meh he might be scum the others ... yeah)

Kondi is the only pure policy lynch on that list. He is just one of those who if we kill him early town is going to do better no matter what alignment he is. Rest are legitimately scummy.

Alice is scum. It is pretty obvious. Skating by on the bare minimum... defends herself of course promptly then vanishes without any scumhunting...

This sounds very similar to what I called Pizza for. He is just making filler and fence sitting posts the entire time, yet he is... town to you somehow?

her posting conflicts ideas is the main point btw, but its hard to convey, 'good point no scum motivation' 'town cred but dont think scum' etc, the ideas are conflicted.

The pizza comment is odd, but how is it a scum tell? Also how is saying that you dont think somepony is town for reason X, but still think they are town any type of a tell?

Even her first post of voting me conflicts with the idea that if she thinks based on 1 game I must be scum thats ludicrous... its a forced reason to vote in rvs. The last person who I saw make such a vote was scum.

This is in hot contention for "worst tell of the year" award. Are you seriously accusing her of the first vote being a serious vote?

Ok, on your kondi point,
lets vote kondi then if there isn't a replacement
we need to find a replacement first
and you better be doing some good analysis if you're town, because you're up there with Alice @ 4 if alice votes you, rainbow.

[Furcolow]

@kassadin

, Who would you rather lynch between Rainbow, or Alice, and why?

[Furcolow]

Elmo, did you even read my explanation on your vote?

I thenvoted Elmo for sheeping, which I see him doing again with his newest vote on me.

So in Post 9 Alice is already going after Slandarr (Im assuming you both were in this the first time around.)

I don't see why this is relevant, and it's untrue in any case.

Elmo, you never answered my question. Here it is again: what reasons did you have to vote me? What parts of Slandaar's case did you (dis)agree with? What points do you have to add of your own?

Even her first post of voting me conflicts with the idea that if she thinks based on 1 game I must be scum thats ludicrous... its a forced reason to vote in rvs. The last person who I saw make such a vote was scum.

a;ldkfj;laksdjf;lksadjf are you freaking kidding me? It's a joke because I mislynched you the last game I played with you and lost the game for the entire town. Your case is weak to say the least.

It is trying to put doubt into peoples minds while not actually giving her opinion on the situation.

"I don't think Rainbow is scum" isn't an opinion? Let me recheck my dictionary again...

Slandaar, I think you've missed the key point here: I WAS NOT REFERRING TO THE FIRST ROLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE GAME WHEN I MADE MY RVS VOTE. I was referring to our previous game. Did you even read?

Kassadin

Who are your scumreads?

ha
alice is town
alice and i had the same reaction
i'm ready to vote kassadin right now, and not sweat it, unless he contributes

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: rainbow

alice, switch to rainbow, obviously

Reasons why I should do this?

i should be treated as confirmed town, but at the detriment that scum shall not hit me

Why?

1) I'm having second thoughts about this now
2) I have claimed townie. Deal with my claim now, or give me extra credit in LYLO

[Furcolow]

Alice, give me three reasons why I should unvote Rainbow

[Furcolow]

Vote: Alicewondering

for disgracing Dumbledor

elmo gets a towntell off this
i was about to attack him off of getting a townread (he calls pizza town on page 2) off of page 1, but I sort of agree with this
however, I feel alice is town now, as we had the same reaction as well
in addressing town, I am comparing reactions, whereas the dumbledore one is null, the scumhunting on kassadin one is most certainly pro-town

i can see where he can relate to pizza, and possibly call him town on this, but I'm going to read this one null for not wanting to have confirmation bias