Open 385 - No Lynching Town - GAME OVER

[Packbat]

Sorry, Meta - I didn't want to post before I started looking at your case on drmyshotgun.

[segue]On which subject[/segue], I notice that you fail to mention something odd I noticed, here:

61 shotty:
Pushing on me for bad reasons.

Who was talking about lynch here? No-one. Why are you nervous with only two votes? I'd say it's still far way to go (now its reduced to 1).

Suggesting I'm scum because I'm nervous because I said "lynch." I said lynch because I was inquiring on the purpoes of the votes: whether they were to put pressure on me, or if they genuinely wanted me lynched.

When I look at the duo-ISO of Metabot and drmyshotgun, I see the "nervous" post was #28 - and drmyshotgun already said it didn't seem major at #31. It's a reversal of his position, and Gunny doesn't give a very clear reason why.

Come to think: Metabot, why haven't you placed a vote?

[Metabot]

I'm usually pretty conservative with my vote. Throwing it around so much tends to dilute its usefulness.

And yeah, I know "town's most powerful weapon is my vote"... I just find it more useful if I don't wave it around before I stab someone with it.

I'd like to know what AcRv and vincent think of Shotty. Andrew should comment on all the happening-ons when he gets back.

[Vincent2128]

And you still need to tell me what you think of Gunny.

Shotty and Vincent and Pack, could you give me a couple of lines about what you think about each other.

Gunny: I like his lead he's pushing on Meta, but otherwise I have yet to see anything come from his questions that he can 'determine alignments' from. I also get a feeling that the conflict with Sleep is town v town...
Pack: His reasoning's good, however there's not too much to talk about from him as of yet.

I haven't got Pack as a townread, while Gunny is only a (gut) minor townread.

[AcRv]

AcRv, whats your case on vincent? Just wondering... and what do you think of Shotty? Also, outing scumpairing earlygame with weak reasoning is somewhat of a scumtell for me, so you've gotten a little more scummy.

Well, the fact that SleepyKrew told drmyshotgun, metabot, and I to play newbie games, and not the guy who said he was a newbie in his sig and posting less content that I was made me think he was somehow connected to him. And as for my opinion on drmyshotgun, he's playing the same way he did in Newbie 1211 (that was why I asked him what allignment he was in that game, so I'd know if it was his scum meta or town meta), so he's coming of as town. I only said stuff about it because jack all was happening and it was the only way I knew of getting the conversation going - put forth an opinion which may be a little bit of a long shot to see what people make of it.

Vincent himself I'm finding rather null, but considering SleepyKrew not questioning him, something doesn't seem right... unless it was an attempted subtle buddy? In which case it is null. But I wanted people to talk, so voiced a possibility to give people something to talk about. But, nothing happened. But when SleepKrew gets back he should attempt to explain his actions, but until he does I'll just leave my vote there. Unless someone claims scum or something. (unfortunately it has happened... well, more someone apologised publicly for exploiting a loophole in QT rules, and the only people in game with a QT were the mafia.) But Vincent was either subtly buddied by SleepyKrew or SleepyKrew forgot to treat his scum buddy like everyone else...

Come to think of it, he DID say that he had experience... so he'd be smarter that to ignore Vincent if they were buddies... so unless he's trying some troopy reverse psychology, which I highly doubt, it could've been (and this is probably more plausible) an attempted buddy.

So Null is everyone for the moment, minus SleepKrew unless he can tell me why he did what I asked him about earlier. And drmyshotgun is somewhat townie due to our past experience. I'll probably look over everything again tomorrow after school.

[Packbat]

Come to think of it, he DID say that he had experience... so he'd be smarter that to ignore Vincent if they were buddies... so unless he's trying some troopy reverse psychology, which I highly doubt, it could've been (and this is probably more plausible) an attempted buddy.

That reminds me: the

actual

meaning of "WIFOM" is more like "don't overthink these things." I've not played many scum games, but I know enough to know that it's usually easier to get away with

not

saying things than with saying things. The fact that

x

might be incriminating

reduces

the strength of

x

as a scumtell, but it often does not eliminate it.

[drmyshotgun]

Sorry for my lack of inactivity. I apologize for not being here as often as I should be.

Mmmm sorry, I got kinda bored when no one was posting, and my bro came back from college so we hung out a lot.

Rereading now...

common guys. We're averaging some three posts a day or something like that. Oh which nothing really happens that much.

By not posting, its the number one way scum get an advantage... I can't call it scummy behavior when everyone is doing it, and scum will just use it to slink past doing anything that could indicate that they are scum.

The player base in this game seems pretty cool, I'd love to play a game with yall. However, if I'm going to have to attempt to drag this game through when people are generally unwilling to be active, then I'll replace out. I don't think its fair on me if I invest a disporportionate amount of time and then get killed n1. I'd really rather not do that though.

and yeah, I realize you guys have lives and stuff, but I find it hard to believe all of you are getting that busy, simultaneously

So bottom line: the only people who want to keep the activity low are scum. Are you scum?

Says someone who wasn't here for three consequtive days. The last line just tries to distinguish yourself. Like saying I am active therefore I'm Town.
But one thing is true. Scum will want this game to drag on and on. If we don't end up with a lynch or somekind by the end of the deadline, they'll just have free kill.

I also don't like how he posted about his previous games without contributing to this one at all. He didn't even bothered to respond to anything I said about him... is that a scumtell or a towntell? All he did was ask where I was... sounds significant. Once again, not sure if its a scumtell or a towntell.

AcRv, whats your case on vincent? Just wondering... and what do you think of Shotty? Also, outing scumpairing earlygame with weak reasoning is somewhat of a scumtell for me, so you've gotten a little more scummy.

Packbat also seems to have somewhat of an active lurking problem.

Anyway, I might get on the Vincent bandwagon, but mainly because of hand-wavy POE, so I want to see what other people think of him first.

Still trying to cruise through without making any enemies?
No-one seems to be on your definite suspect list. You always comment on people like: "Oh he's like this, he's like that...Mmmm, but I'll stay put"
Why take such a neutral position, if you aren't scum? You don't want anyone seriously going after you to blow your cover?
I think you just present all these little bits and pieces so that someone ELSE would go for them and develop solid cases on others.
After the development of the cases, you can then just slip into the wagon by just saying things like: "Oh yeah, I always thought he was suspicious".
This position you are trying to establish to yourself sure smells of scum blood.

No one really responded to my case on Drmy, I think he's the best lynch for today.

I'm usually pretty conservative with my vote. Throwing it around so much tends to dilute its usefulness.

And yeah, I know "town's most powerful weapon is my vote"... I just find it more useful if I don't wave it around before I stab someone with it.

Oh so, you will just have your weapon stocked up in your closet although you think I'm the "best lynch for today"?

When I look at the duo-ISO of Metabot and drmyshotgun, I see the "nervous" post was #28 - and drmyshotgun already said it didn't seem major at #31. It's a reversal of his position, and Gunny doesn't give a very clear reason why.

I was just not very sure if his reaction was a Town read or Scum at that time. I'm pretty sure now to look at it as a Scum read.

Sleepy should be back by now.
I wonder what Packbat, Sleepykrew, Andrew, Vincent thinks about each other.

[andrew94]

i mentioned that cos it was a fluff post of yours

@acrv err you only played one game with him, you dont know his actual meta. you cannot assume he is 'somewhat town' just because of one game. i find that you are hanging on to this reasoning, i am suspicious


@ drmyshotgun i actually really agree with your first statement. also, the part where he says 'i dont wanna put in hard work and then get killed night 1' doesnt sound right
wouldnt scum kill the guy that was lynched but didnt die (therefore townie) (assuming townie gets lynched) instead of you. sounds like your using ______ (some tactic i forgot name)


so err what i think


sleepy--> i dont like his attitude, but he hasnt posted in a long time.
i will comment more later

vincent --> scummy (check my iso)
packbat --> seems town to me (gut)


acrb--> seems to make a lot of theories, but doesnt really act on them (he says everyone apart from sleepy is null)


@acrv i didnt get the part of your post 92 after and around 'the three sheep'

[Metabot]

About the first point: I really don't see how that indicates I'm scum at all. Seems to me like your argument is "that sounds towny, and scum would say that to seem towny. Therefore, since you did say that, you must be scum!"

You think I'm cruising without making enemies? I dunno, I've mentioned explicitly I wanted you lynched, and have been relatively active in trying to make that come about. I posted a list of my reads and a town-scum list. Also, I've mentioned how I'm relatively okay with a Vincent lynch. Don't misrepresent what I say by quoting only what you want others to hear.

I was just not very sure if his reaction was a Town read or Scum at that time. I'm pretty sure now to look at it as a Scum read.

This is kind of weird. Could you be more specific? What changed your mind?

I'm not sure whether you're scum with ungenuine suspicion, or you're just OMGUSing towny with kinda bad logic. Please give me a statement about your alignment, Gunny.

Andrew: noticed you didn't give an opinion on Gunny. Can you give me one? Maybe a possible scumbud pairing.

[andrew94]

i mentioned a possible sleepy and shotgun pair


also, the next time you say gunny, im not even gonna bother reply. it just shows that your not reading the thread

[drmyshotgun]

I like the nickname Gunny.

[andrew94]

Why are you being so defensive of meta?

[SleepyKrew]

I have discovered a stable source of Internet in the Canadian wilderness, but must now scavenge for resources.

[Vincent2128]

@Andrew: Fail reaction test = scummy? You haven't explained anything more than that.

@Sleepy: Is that supposed to be sarcasm?

[Vincent2128]

@Mod: I will be on vacation in New Zealand from the 31st to the 11th, if you don't want to wait for me to come back then feel free to replace me.

[AcRv]

acrb--> seems to make a lot of theories, but doesnt really act on them (he says everyone apart from sleepy is null)

I'm acting on that theory, am I not? If he's my scum suspect, then logically my vote should be on him. Which it is. If everyone else is null, then my vote shouldn't be on them. And it isn't. So I am keeping with my theories... did you mean something else with that comment?

@acrv i didnt get the part of your post 92 after and around 'the three sheep'

If you say to someone who's playing a game of any sort for the first time and say "I know what I'm doing", you'll tend to look at what they do and see how they do things. So by immediately saying "you should play some newbie games" and "I'm one of the nicest jackasses", he is saying that he knows what he's doing more than we do, so if we were new we'd look to see what he was doing and assume it's right. Especially as he says that he's nice, so a truly new player would take a closer liking to him, and thus follow him, as they thought that most players were more of a jackass than he was. Probably would've worked if any of us were completely new until someone told the new guy to think for themself.

I have discovered a stable source of Internet in the Canadian wilderness, but must now scavenge for resources.

I take it that America makes jokes about Canada in the same way us Australians make jokes about New Zealand and Tasmania? And before anyone asks, Tasmania is a part of New Zealand which is a little while away... it used to be part of Australia but they got so sick of our payouts that their Premier signed an agreement with the New Zealand Prime Minister and is now legally part of New Zealand.

[Junpei]

Vote Count 1.4

Vincent2128 (

L-2

): Packbat, andrew94
Metabot (L-3): drmyshotgun
andrew94 (L-3): SleepyKrew
SleepyKrew (L-3): AcRv

Not Voting

: Metabot, Vincent2128

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch, and 4 to no lynch.

Deadline

: Saturday April 7th, 2012 ; 6 PM EST

V/LAs

: Vincent2128 March 31 - April 11

Replacements

:

Other

:
Here's a joke, respond to each line appropriately
Knock knock
...
Horton Hears A
...

Vincent: I will not require that you be replaced unless the players in the game find that they would prefer that action be taken.
Also I wasn't sure how to fix the tags in that post as it uses HTML coding which I'm not familiar with. I'll put more time into figuring out how to fix it in a bit for you though

[Metabot]

Why are you being so defensive of meta?

How has he been defensive of me? He's the only person pushing on me as of yet.

[andrew94]

you said something about vincent with sleepy
maybe i dont understand your 2nd paragraph of 128


and sleepys post doesnt make sense

im in newzealand here!


and meta why are you answering anothers question

[AcRv]

you said something about vincent with sleepy
maybe i dont understand your 2nd paragraph of 128

I thought that SleepyKrew left out Vincent when labelling "newbs" because he was in a scum team with him and forgot to not treat him like everyone else. Repeating it here now makes me think that I was incredibly stupid suggesting that due to how obvious it was... So now it comes off even more as buddying because there is no way someone would make it that obvious they were not talking about/to their buddy...

im in newzealand here!

I had to laugh when I saw that... but seeing as all of my known family except my dad is from New Zealand it is rather hypocritical of me to make those sorts of jokes. But it means I can do it without it being offensive =p

As for jokes about Tasmania... I went there once, so all I can legitimately pay it out for is its lack of anything in the Hobart mall... The only McDonald's they have closes at 5pm!

Here's a joke, respond to each line appropriately
Knock knock
...
Horton Hears A
...

I have another one!

Knock Knock
Who's there?
The interrupting sheep
The interrupting she-
BAAAA!!!!

Oh, and another one: How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

Vincent: I will not require that you be replaced unless the players in the game find that they would prefer that action be taken.

Well, is it going to be a complete lack of access where you're going? I mean andrew94 has confirmed the rumours that internet does in fact exist out there... so if you think you'll have regular access then I wouldn't worry... although losing a player for 12 days would be very detrimental...

What's the usual process for dealing with guys on V/LA?

[Vincent2128]

It is going to be a complete lack of access because I'm going on a school-organized trip and shall be vewwy busy and unable to be on much at all. Not sure if I can get free WiFi on my smartphone in New Zealand :\

[Packbat]

Quick question before you head out, Vincent2128:

Pack seems town to me. The prodding of me to post more certainly is town.

Vincent is getting into IIoA zone. Vincent, can you explain why Pack and AcRv are town? And you still need to tell me what you think of Gunny.

What IIoA?
Also

Shotty and Vincent and Pack, could you give me a couple of lines about what you think about each other.

Gunny: I like his lead he's pushing on Meta, but otherwise I have yet to see anything come from his questions that he can 'determine alignments' from. I also get a feeling that the conflict with Sleep is town v town...
Pack: His reasoning's good, however there's not too much to talk about from him as of yet.

I haven't got Pack as a townread, while Gunny is only a (gut) minor townread.

Why the contradiction?

[Vincent2128]

In #75 gut told me you were town, but later I lost that gut read.

[Packbat]

In #91 you quoted #68 as being the post containing your read - that doesn't read like losing a gut read, that reads like forgetting what you said.

[drmyshotgun]

There isn't anything to see in New Zealand...except for a zoo that is like a prison for Hobbits.
I happen to be in NZ too. What's with this country and people coming to it???

But Vincent, how does one lose gut read? What happened in between those two posts?

@andrew: Was I being protective of him? Don't really think so. The nickname is a general thing. Why delve into unrelated topic?
@Sleepy: On what basis did you name the newbies of this game?

[andrew94]

Meta calling you gunny, i said earlier, stop calling shotgun gunny, it confuses me.

he continues to call you gunny (and someone else but i cant find it )
that means hes not reading
shotgun then says 'i like the name gunny' - soft defending of meta
i ask him why hes defending meta
meta answers that question (lol what did sleepy and pack say earlier)


and.....
Therefore,
shotgun is most likely scum with meta, (2 way buddying)

also, i like where packs going, but i dont think theres 3 scum here/

unvote vote meta fos shotgun