Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 2.2:

RainbowDash - IceGuy
Om of the Nom - ActionDan
IceGuy - vijay2vasandani
vijay2vasandani - Korlash
Amrun - Luckyjt
Korlash - Lopsy
CSL - BBmolla Amrun, iStark, Om of the Nom, Malthusis (L-2)
Malthusis - RainbowDash

Not Voting: CSL

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)

Lopsy will be V/LA until April 9th.

Also, searching for a replacement for CSL.

[Korlash]

Sweet, My day is off and this game is next on my list! i shall delve into the cache pages and post something there-in. I shall also be looking into CSL...

[Korlash]

He replaces out a lot, but how would that be a "dick move?" lol

Well, as an example "OMG, I just got my foot severed off in Real life and cannot be bothered to play mafia right now..." followed by "lol, I voted him and he replaced out, thus is scum" seems like a dick move... I mean, there are real life events that take priority over a game of mafia and using those to push your case seem malicious and just plain bastard like.

Note: example was just that, an example. Please do not waste my time arguing about how said example is not the case here... Unless you have reason to suspect the replacement was a lie, I don't care... Really, couldn't be bothered...

[Rainbowdash]

Keep thinking about it, really dont like the way this CSL wagon took off the way it did. Especially the tail end of istark/OOTN/malthusis who all are varying degrees of scummy. Im not getting back on.

@malthusis - What is the difference between RC flaking and CSL flaking?
@Amrun - Skimming cache again it was page 3 that gives me a lucky-town read. That type of reaction just reads like town who really is just trying to figure out what they are supposed to do.

Malthusis is scum though. He talks about how he has a super strong case on RC here, but its not in the cache from what I just looked through. He actually spends more time arguing things like why some are wrong about certain facts or why DW has to be scum for the claim.

Interesting aside though for the claim aspect of things: He says its because a goon offers him more cover, but its never explained how it does. Just a statement of fact.

Anyways, despite being sure of RC, he actually has done nothing to try and convince anypony that he actually is scum. Most of what he has done is strike a threatening pose towards AD for defending RC, which really doesnt do much to help us in understanting why he thinks that RC is scum in the firstplace.

What really bugs me is that he gives up the RC vote because he "ran away". Later we see CSL replace out (running away?) and malthusis immediately jumps back on him now that the lynch is a possibility.

[Om of the Nom]

@Rainbowdash: I don't exactly have a case. My gut put him in null, and I can support a lynch from my null reads. I can try and read through to make a case though. But that will have to come later today, as I'm busy until the afternoon.

[Rainbowdash]

@Rainbowdash: I don't exactly have a case. My gut put him in null, and I can support a lynch from my null reads. I can try and read through to make a case though. But that will have to come later today, as I'm busy until the afternoon.

Why compramise on CSL instead of any other wagon? Also why are you making a case on a null read? Also who is your top pick and why? Where does CSL stand in your scumminess list?

[IceGuy]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CSL

(L-1)

[Amrun]

Why the vote, IceGuy?

[IceGuy]

To end this day. We're running in circles.

[Amrun]

And yet CSL has not been replaced yet.

And yet you supposedly have role information that suggests DW/RD is scum.

No.

You are being unforgivably lazy and I don't see many other explanations besides being scum.

[Rainbowdash]

You are being unforgivably lazy and I don't see many other explanations besides being scum.

Yeah this is where im kinda torn on IG and why I would rather lynch malthusis today. Its rare to see scum try and semi-counter a claim. Ive semi-countered once, as town, its just something that will be rare for scum to do.

I dont like his play much, but as I keep thinking about it, this type of play is more often then not town thinking they are being smart.

This vote from him is BAD though.

[Amrun]

I see what you're saying, but we don't know HIS role. Maybe he is a scum role that could counter your role somehow.

And he refused to commit to it.

[Luckyjt]

That was such a quick wagon on CSl.I dont know Ill look more into his posts, and he replaced Rylai right. Yet the only problem I see with this wagon is the fact that he cant defend himself since he asked for a replacement. So if he is town, mafia will most likely try getting this lynch going. Alright anyone else beside me see certain people changing their votes rather quickly when it comes to joining a wagon? Especially the ones that dont really have a case as too why lynch or the ones who say nothing. Through out the game this seems to be a theme. First with Kondi, then Vijay, then Rylai (I believe), then it went to me, now to CSl. Look into the people who have been constantly switching their votes and been on each of these wagons or most of them without any real reason other than blending in.

I tried getting the files but it failed on the computer I have. Cant open them since they download as ZIP and this computer has not converter program. It wont let me open them. I need my computer back

[Korlash]

The CSL wagon contains two of my scum picks... That would adequately explain the speed. I don't get Iceguy's vote so I'm going to assume he's seen the light! Also, that he's become retarded. :\

@ Lucky, I'm in the cache right now so I'll see what I can do.

[Om of the Nom]

@RD: CSL is the only wagon near lynch right now with only 2 days until deadline. There isn't much other choice. I'm making a case on him beacuse the null read is based on gut, I can use logic to make a case on him to further convince myself of him being scum. Top pick is Lucky due to gut. CSL is still currently a null read, what's the point of this question?

[Om of the Nom]

@Lucky: Just download 7-zip. It can open .zip, .rar and .7z plus tons more. Also it's free.

[Korlash]

All right! i screwed all my other plans and just took note of all the votes. I tend to use VCAs to find sum partners so I'm sure this info will be needed at some point. Lets see what we have...

Spoiler: Figure you guys would want it available

VC - kondi2424 - IceGuy, Glass, DeltaWave

post 28 - V2V Votes glass, 'obviously bussing Kondi'
post 29 - Mist beauty Votes Delta, 'Don't want him screwing up my investigations'
post 30 - Mist Beauty votes Kondi, 'this is a good wagon'
post 36 - Kondi Votes Glass, 'Today will be me vs. Glass'
post 39 - Otto Votes Kondi, '1v1 is not town behavior'
Post 43 - Lopsy votes Lucky, 'Only one not to post'
post 46 - Lopsy unvotes Lucky.
post 49 - V2V Votes Lucky, 'Agree with Glass?'
post 55 - Kondi votes Lucky, 'Glass buddy'
post 61 - Lopsy votes Lucky, 'accuse people without explanation'
post 77 - Glass votes Rylai, 'go somewhere different'

vc-

kondi2424

- IceGuy, DeltaWave, Mist Beauty, Otto von Clark

Luckyjt

- vijay2vasandani, kondi2424, Lopsy

post 86 - istark votes Actiondan, 'correct older vote'
post 90 - Mal votes Lucky, 'bad defense'
post 104 - Glass votes istark, 'not commented on most prevalent thing in game'
post 107 - istark unvotes
post 120 - istark votes iceguy, 'I would like to hear from you soon'
post 121 - Rylai votes Kondi, 'hasn't explained anything'
Post 122 - V2V Votes Kondi, 'Day end'
post 126 - V2V Unvotes
Post 130 - V2V Votes Lucky, 'No reason'
Post 131 - istark Unvotes
Post 138 - Mal votes Rylai, 'Opportunistic'

vc-

kondi2424

- IceGuy, DeltaWave, Mist Beauty, Rylai Crestfall

Luckyjt

- kondi2424, Lopsy, vijay2vasandani

post 153 - Mist votes Rylai, 'Agree with Mal?'
Post 164 - Rylai votes V2V, 'backtracking on vote'
Post 166 - ActionDan votes V2V, 'Adding pressure'
Post 171 - Otto votes V2v, 'Fixing past mistake'''Don't believe gambit''
Post 178 - Lopsy votes Iceguy, 'Hasn't said anything'
Post 180 - istark votes V2v, 'leaning scum'

vc-

kondi2424

- IceGuy, DeltaWave

Luckyjt

- kondi2424, vijay2vasandani

Rylai Crestfall

- Malthusis, Mist Beauty

vijay2vasandani

- Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark, iStark

post 189 - iceguy votes Delta, 'disapeared from game'
post 206 - kondi votes Iceguy, 'Iso and saw shit'
post 217 - Glass votes V2V, 'Not buying gambit'
post 224 - Iceguy votes Kondi, 'propse get rid of kondi'

vc-

vijay2vasandani

- Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark, iStark, Glass (L-2)

Post 261 - Lucky votes Kondi, 'Not done anything to change mind?'
post 262 - Mist unvotes
Post 265 - V2v votes Rylai, 'reasons for vote invalid and scummy'
post 268 - Mist unvotes (again?)
post 285 - Lopsy votes actiondan, ''defending rylai'
post 296 - Kondi (fails) votes Lopsy, 'hypocrasy'

vc-

kondi2424

- DeltaWave, iceGuy, Luckyjt

Rylai Crestfall

- Malthusis, vijay2vasandani

vijay2vasandani

- Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark, iStark, Glass (L-2)

post 311 - Iceguy votes delta, 'based on his claim'
Post 312 - Kondi votes Delta, 'No reason'
post 317 - Mal votes Delta, 'Claim seems like a cover'
post 330 - Glass unvotes

vc-

vijay2vasandani

- Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark, iStark

DeltaWave

- kondi2424, IceGuy, Malthusis

post 345 - istark votes delta, '???'
post 349 - V2v votes istark, 'omgus? seriously?'

vc-

vijay2vasandani

- Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark

DeltaWave

- kondi2424, IceGuy, Malthusis, iStark

post 374 - Lopsy votes istark, 'flip flopping'

last VC-

kondi2424

- DeltaWave, Luckyjt

iStark

- vijay2vasandani, Lopsy

vijay2vasandani

- Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark

DeltaWave

- kondi2424, IceGuy, Malthusis, iStark

Not Voting

: Mist Beauty, Glass

Post 378 - Misbeauty votes istark, 'no reason'
post 379 - Glass votes Rylai, 'I think this is the right way to go'
Post 382 - Lopsy votes kondi, 'click the most likely to be scum person off my list'

Did this on notepad, took post number, vote, and whatever reason i could see. Might be helpful to you lot, might not. usually I only use it when I have a dead scum but I'll see what I can come up with here. Give me a bit to analyze it.

[Rainbowdash]

@OOTN - How come you did nothing untill deadline at which point you are just wagoning a null read?

unvote
Vote OOTN

There is your counter wagon everypony. Take your pick and grab one or be saying why both OOTN and CSL are town in your next post.

[Om of the Nom]

That's because I'm planning to do much more during the night. I will read up on the game then as there are no distractions and it will be easier to focus.

[Om of the Nom]

And besides, null reads are just as bad as scum reads. Are you saying I'm not allowed to vote for people I suspect?

[Rainbowdash]

That's because I'm planning to do much more during the night. I will read up on the game then as there are no distractions and it will be easier to focus.

Lets try this: explain why v2v and lucky are scum. If you are using the word "gut" it must be directly attached to a post that activates your gut.

[Om of the Nom]

My gut goes off on the feel of peoples posts. Not certain posts specifically.
And if you think my method of gut is flawed, it actually works surprisingly well. I've lost countless LYLO's by using logic when my gut read was on scum.

Also I explained earlier that I'm starting to lean v2v town.

[Rainbowdash]

My gut goes off on the feel of peoples posts. Not certain posts specifically.

Try

Also I explained earlier that I'm starting to lean v2v town.

Due to?

[Om of the Nom]

I can try, but you're going to need to wait for me to finish then.

Due to gut.

[Korlash]

Kondi- IceGuy, Glass, DeltaWave, Mist Beauty, Otto, Rylai, V2V
Lucky- vijay2vasandani, kondi2424, Lopsy, Mal
V2V- Rylai, ActionDan, Otto, iStark, Glass
Delta- kondi2424, IceGuy, Malthusis, istark, CSL(Rylai)
Lucky(2) - Omnom(Glass), CSL(Rylai), Amrun(Kondi)
CLS - Rainbow (delta), BBmolla (Mist), Amrun (kondi), istark, Omnom (Glass), Mal, Iceguy,

So lets see...
ice- 3
Glass - 4
Delta - 2
Mist - 2
Otto - 2
Rylai - 4
V2v - 2
Kondi - 4
Lopsy - 1
mal - 3
Lucky- 0
istark- 3
actiondan- 1

So our top three - Kondi, Rylai, and Glass
Our bottom three - Lucky, Action, and Lopsy

Conventional logic would say one scum in both, but can't boil every game to conventional logic... This only serves to remind me why i only do this when i have dead scum to compare it to...

Still, that's a good pool for today's lynch (the top three that is) so:

Unvote:

Kondi - 7 votes total,
Rylai - 5 votes total,
Glass - 8 votes total,

(Yes, this includes all game posts, including cache and this thread)

So... Glass wins! yayayayayay! I love it when math works!

Vote: Om of the Nom

Competing wagon choo choo!!!