Open 387: Jungle Republic (Day 6 - ends in a Town Victory)

[Ravel]

Thomith has officially replaced CommieX.

Day 1 Vote Count

Slandaar (2): iDanyboy, Kassadin
Thomith (1): TheXfactor557
iDanyboy (2): LBJ, drmyshotgun
LBJ (1): asher1611
kondi2424 (2): vijay2vasandani, Slandaar
asher1611 (1): kondi2424

Not Voting (3): Chrimi, Thomith, BagSquad

There are 12 players alive, which means it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline in

(expired on 2012-04-16 09:00:00)

(April 16, 9:00 AM EDT or 1:00 PM GMT)

As of Post #98

[Thomith]

Ok read about half of the thread so far, the RQS questions are kind of weird, half of them i understand but half of them seem not to help us at all, so i guess i will answer the ones which i see reasons for along with anything else i want to add in my next post.

slandaar being completely against them is a little weird, as there were some which is i guess talking about the game, but things like the tangent one really had no purpose.

[Thomith]

ok so im just gunna summarise stuff from the questions i agree with. (i have no clue how many games i have played, lets just say alot.)
I prefer being scum to town as for some reason i prefer being an informed minority, also scum do have a lesser chance to win as only wolves have a kill, but on the other hand it is 5 anti town vs 7 townies so that arguement goes out the window really. slandaar, kondi would be prefered scumpartners for me as idk, i just think their play is not much different as town or scum, and finaly WIFOM can be confusing but i try to use it but use it carefully, as using it right can bag you scum.

now thats over some reads-
asher earned scumpoints off the bat for doing nothing but answering questions in the first post, but that is a null tell at the moment if anything.
while i am looking over asher #76 seems that it could be a confused townie? i don't know but answering a quote that is not meant for you can be done by townies, but it is also easy to pull as scum.

LBJ did the same thing as asher but it was nearer the start of the game so i can understand it more, but he didnt really explain why on any of the answers which could be scum trying not to slip.

semi-FOS on kass

first post, no content at all, not even an answer to RQS until asked in her second post, and again no real content there.

dany gained scumpoints same reasons as previous 3, blah blah blah.

Bag joking about being scum kind of makes me get a gut town read, as usually newbtown say things like that, but yeah it's gut and he didnt really start off with any content so the gut read means little atm, but what i am going to ask,
Bag if RQS isn't anti-town then why didn't you answer the questions right away?

@slandaar i don't understand how #79's logic makes kondi scum, and wasn't it shotgun who asked the questions in the first place, or am i imagining this?

#81 lol why you reaching vijay? from the post it seems that you were saying the reasoning was bad but then you used it yourself.

#82 kondi its called WIFOM, a werewolf could only mention mafia so they dont look like a werewolf, so that arguement is invalid.

Think i covered everything, if i missed something point me to it so yeah, also i do agree that RQS is not anti-town if the questions are not dumb and have no game related aspects to them at all, which is why i only summarised things from the questions which i thought were worth answering.


(on a fun note i thought i deleted all of this by pressing home before i was done)

[Thomith]

forgot my vote.
VOTE: kass
hardly any content at all thus far, unless her 4th post was a joke she says kondi is scummy but keeps vote on slandaar.

[asher1611]

asher earned scumpoints off the bat for doing nothing but answering questions in the first post, but that is a null tell at the moment if anything.
while i am looking over asher #76 seems that it could be a confused townie? i don't know but answering a quote that is not meant for you can be done by townies, but it is also easy to pull as scum.

Thanks for your insight: just two things I want to mention:

1) I didn't see my PM for this game until April 3rd, and I posted mainly saying I was here before I had to leave for work. So no time to answer the questions in my first post. Notice I answer them later in the day. You're correct that it's a null tell.
2) You are also correct that I was confused. Slandaar's "Illogical" statement was not pointed at anyone in particular, and since the prior post seemed to be pointed at me I could only assume that the illogical one was as well. I was incorrect, but Slandaar was not clear either.

His style seems to be making a lot of noise though. It could be scum trying to drive a wedge early or it could be town trying to put pressure on potential scum. The tenor of his posts and the bouncing back and forth between so many players tends to make me think its the former. So in case it wasn't clear before:

FOS Slandaar

[Thomith]

If you FOS slandaar why aren't you voting him, but instead keep your RVS vote on that you had from the begining of the game? If you actually believe LBJ is scum why haven't you made this completely clear before, and if you did when did you?

[asher1611]

If you FOS slandaar why aren't you voting him, but instead keep your RVS vote on that you had from the begining of the game? If you actually believe LBJ is scum why haven't you made this completely clear before, and if you did when did you?

Because I want to see more of the game develop to get a more solid read on Slandaar one way or another. I'm not one to throw my vote wildy around.

But you're right, RVS seems to be over.

UNVOTE: LBJ

[Thomith]

but towns strongest power is their vote and voice right? If you are town why aren't you using this power? If nobody voted, we wouldn't get anywhere, votes apply pressure.

Of course i am not telling you to L-1 everyone because you are "using your vote" but this early people can crumble under pressure, if you suspect someone the most put pressure on them in hopes they crumble or do something to prove you right.

[Thomith]

even if asher is a noob i think he could be scum now, he seems to not want to apply pressure, which is what town want to do, kass seems like a better vote for me atm, but i also have my eye on asher right now.

[asher1611]

even if asher is a noob i think he could be scum now, he seems to not want to apply pressure, which is what town want to do, kass seems like a better vote for me atm, but i also have my eye on asher right now.

That's fair. When the time comes I will apply pressure and plenty of it to hunt and out scum, just not unwarranted pressure for the sake of pressure.

There's a significant difference between players who vote to make noise and players who vote to hunt scum. I'm sure you know the difference. I'm used to playing at places where I have to explain this.

[Thomith]

pressure can make scum crumble and slip, of course you want to lynch scum, but you have no way of knowing who scum are without applying pressure, and when will the time come? Today? Tommurrow? Next week? What do you define the "right type of pressure" and when are you going to use it?

[TheXfactor557]

Xfactor Returneth!

@Slandaar.
Nobody that I can remember.
Well, Kondi WAS in one of my newbies a while back. But during the beginning of the game, I went V/LA, and he replaced out. Considering how early I went V/LA, we never really got to "Play" in the same game.
I've read a number of games with Vijay and Thomith in them. Hello there, Thomith.

Speaking of which, @Thomith

but towns strongest power is their vote and voice right? If you are town why aren't you using this power?

Ahem...

I'm a vigilante! I have a special power that lets me kill people! By that logic, I should kill someone every single night!

Well, that doesn't sound right
And yes, I know voicing yourself is important. Just had to point out a little hole in that logic.

[Kassadin]

Wats so bad for not answering all the RQS? i dont think that makes u scummy

[vijay2vasandani]

Hi Thomith, how's it going?

81 was me trying to use the same logic on kondi. I did it before 81 and I just reiterated it.

@asher: thomith is right. Why apply pressure later when you can do it now? How else are you gonna find scum?

[drmyshotgun]

forgot my vote.
VOTE: kass
hardly any content at all thus far, unless her 4th post was a joke she says kondi is scummy but keeps vote on slandaar.

Thought you gave him a "semi-FoS" in your previous post
and you say "forgot to vote"??
So...what was the point of your FoS?

[Chrimi]

Ah, v2v, long time no see.

I'm sorry, I'm confirming now, been busy lately...

Also, haven't read yet, will post again once I have.

[Chrimi]

1. Hate.
2. Vijay. Always Vijay.
3. Werewolf, seems interesting.
4. Scum.
5. Nup.
6. Vijay. He's ninja like that.
7. Chocolates, man!
8. Neither.
9. Hate both.
10. 5, one got discontinued ;( 6 including this one.
11. Werewolves.

Alright, so this Slandaar guy is either making dumbass moves for two reasons.
The first could be that he is doing it on purpose as a way to provoke reactions, and if so he has done a really good job.
The second is he's really bad scum trying to put blame on other people.
There is a possible third, which is bad town who is going nuts.

I'm going to assume the first, as it seems most likely and also seems to be the case as far as I can tell.

Vijay seems to be playing town meta from what I remember of him.

shotgun... I'm going to go read the other game he has that's still up on the site, see if I can pick anything off of that.
Same for Kassadin.

Going for a deeper reread now, sorry I tend to do things such as triple post.

[Chrimi]

I have finished a good read, and have decided to watch a certain player closely.

cautious = scumtell.

No. Just, No.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

I do like this vote.

Following somebody else's vote, trying to start a wagon without much of a case.

ashers scum lol

Didn't give any reasoning? :S

11. Who do you think will win this game?
Town due to the night kill restriction on mafia.

I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

I checked and lo and behold they dont. But Wolves do...

Its funny, he thinks town win because mafia have kill restriction but does not account for the wolf kill this is important because it shows he did not read the front page he realised maf didnt have kill because he is one.

He is pesimistic scum.

Nobody sees the contradiction here? Damn.

Read this. He didn't read front page either, and didn't realize that mafia didn't have an nk. Then he blames someone else for not knowing about the wolf's nk.

By his logic, he is therefore calling himself scum.

Town who did not read the front page clearly would assume maf nk. However you didnt account for the nk of the wolves while knowing maf dont have nk.

You were not being logical.

Read above.
He was being just as logical as you.

its simple

You thought about the questions in depth. This is because you were being cautious. You were being cautious because you are worried of being caught.

This line of reasoning makes the most sense

No, it does not.

Town can be just as cautious as mafia or wolf, because even though they aren't, they still don't want to seem like it. Understand?
What I'm saying is, just because they're not scum doesn't mean they want to look like scum. Everybody wants to look like town, whether they are or aren't.


This whole game you've been accusing people of bad logic, but your logic looks horrible itself. Please don't be so contradictory, okay?

[Thomith]

@shotgun, i did the reads one at a time, and then was going to vote afterwards, and my reads so far has kass as the scummiest player in my eyes, so i voted.

@vijay, but you acted like the logic failed so why did you want to use it yourself?

@Xfactor the thing is with a vote the person has chance to defend against it, to either prove you wrong or right, a vigilante kill does not give the attacked chance to defend so it is different.

[drmyshotgun]

I have to agree with Chrimi's analysis on Slandaar.

FoS: Slandaar

[Thomith]

Chrimi does make a good point, that by using slandaars logic about only knowing werewolf mechanics but not mafia mechanics that he "must be a werewolf"
kind of a null/scum tell, but i prefer my vote on kass.

[Slandaar]

I Didnt realise mafia dont have a nk... I assumed both did.

[Slandaar]

also

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith

[Thomith]

that by using slandaars logic about only knowing werewolf mechanics but not mafia mechanics that he "must be a werewolf"

nice vote btw, can you explain so i can defend myself or no?

[Slandaar]

You are being manipulative.