D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Kdub]

1. Please indicate where I said information roles are not considered powerful or important to Town. However, a Bulletproof, Untargetable, Self-Redirector is definately among "ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PRs IN THE GAME". Another example of you misrepping me. This is actually a very scummy stab by you.

Actually, this is a bit of a misrep yourself. If people actually read what BB claimed, it's definitely not as powerful as you are making it sound. The fact that BB himself thought it was this super powerful role considerably weakens his excuse of "Fennin was trying to draw the NK" once you realize it's not.

Step 1: BBmolla claims to be unkillable
Step 2: His reasoning seems to be based on being immune to force things
Step 3: I think a character wouldn't be bulletproof without that being explicitly written in the role, at which point BBmolla wouldn't have doubt.
Step 4: As he must be wrong in this hypothesis, scum must have ways of killing that don't involve force.
Step 5: End

I have an easier explanation:
Step 1: BBmolla claims to be unkillable
Step 2: He lied
Step 3: Lynch him

Nope, there would be an issue, because you'd say "WAIT YOU HAVE NO ROLE NAME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN CLAIM? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY CLAIM YOUR POWERS? BOTCHED FAKE CLAIM GG WP NO RE"

No I wouldn't, now you're just trying to strawman my position. Also, nice of you to ignore my other point. Answer me these questions:

1. Why did you specifically use the words "fullclaim" and "all"? This is not just semantics, this is an outright contradiction if you can't explain this.
2. Why did you think being immune to "force powers" made you bulletproof (and no, saying "I thought it was logical" is not an answer because any reasonable person can see that you can't conclude this)?

I'm pushing you on these two points because you haven't yet directly addressed them and instead have tried to brush them off as minor nitpicking. From my point of view, you claimed your role, I questioned the mechanics of one of your abilities, then you go "oh, I also have this other power". That is a major red flag to me on top of my earlier Fennin suspicion.

The lack of comments on this by several players, either in support of BB or not, is notable.

Peregrine and Shmugen are possibly scum as well, but I think BB's flip will give a lot of info on those two.

unvote,vote: Andrius

wat

[BBmolla]

I flip town. What are Peregrine and Shmugen?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Step 1: BBmolla claims to be unkillable

Kdub

- please explain to me why Day 1 the best reaction to this claim is to lynch it without any other flips or relational information by which to base it on. I'm quite curious to see your logic in why flipping him today is Pro-Town.

[brizingre1]

Completely forgot about this thread over Easter - reading through now

[PeregrineV]

And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).

Scum caring are the people who kept making it an issue (like yourself).

My vote is in a good place.

Uh, no.

[Kdub]

I flip town. What are Peregrine and Shmugen?

I suspect you are trying to derail the discussion from the questions I asked you, but I'll answer. If you flip town, I give Peregrine some town points because I think he as scum would have pushed for a mislynch on much stronger reasons than the breadcrumb thing, and Shmugen would be null. If you flip scum, I give Peregrine some scum points because his weak attacks on you look more like bussing, and I give Shmugen scum points because I felt his earlier exchange with you sounded fake, almost like coaching or trying to explain something to you in a subtle way (like I said, it was more of a gut feeling).

Now, how about responding to my actual questions?

Kdub

- please explain to me why Day 1 the best reaction to this claim is to lynch it without any other flips or relational information by which to base it on. I'm quite curious to see your logic in why flipping him today is Pro-Town.

I am not saying we should flip him specifically because of his claimed role. I am saying we should flip him because I think he is scum and there are relational tells to other players based on interactions and not his role.

[PeregrineV]

I flip town. What are Peregrine and Shmugen?

Town and dunno.

[BBmolla]

1. Why did you specifically use the words "fullclaim" and "all"? This is not just semantics, this is an outright contradiction if you can't explain this.
2. Why did you think being immune to "force powers" made you bulletproof (and no, saying "I thought it was logical" is not an answer because any reasonable person can see that you can't conclude this)?

1. Because normally I just claim my role so I'd say "I'd need to claim role," but because that wouldn't work I decided to use "I'd need to fullclaim all my abilities." Force Pull doesn't matter all that much, but if I'm claiming the other two there isn't really a reason not to claim it. It also makes sense synergy-wise with my abilities.
2. I'm assuming "force powers" are normal powers(Cop/Doc/Vig/etc). I thought Mafia night kill would probably be blasters(in addition to town night kill obv). If I use my active, I think I'm bulletproof. My passive is reflexive roleblocker.

It is just semantics.

[BBmolla]

I have an easier explanation:
Step 1: BBmolla claims to be unkillable
Step 2: He lied
Step 3: Lynch him

Where did I lie.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I am not saying we should flip him specifically because of his claimed role. I am saying we should flip him because I think he is scum and there are relational tells to other players based on interactions and not his role.

I've yet to see anything OTHER than "Bread-crumb" / Rolegate thrown his way other than your "He wasn't answering my questions" charge which really doesn't mean much to me.

As to the relational tells you are going to need to justify why you would not then want to lynch any of them you found scummy as opposed to lynching that claimed Role. Because lynching Bulletproofs / Variants Day 1 makes ZERO sense from a Town perspective.

If he's Town his claim creates tough decisions for scum in a number of areas and he's specifically warned any Town Power Roles not to use their ability on him and waste it. And downside to his lynch at this stage far outweigh the possible benefits IMO.

You are going to have to do much better than what you have presented so far case-wise so far to get this lynch.
So either step up or revisit on futher days.

[sword_of_omens]

Where is Iece? i do not like him this quiet...at all

Iecerint has trouble getting excited about this game. Whenever Iecerint thinks about posting, Iecerint discounts those feelings by the risk of PR violation and posts elsewhere.

This is a bad habit. Iecerint will try to do better.

Iecerint might ordinarily replace out, but Iecerint does not want to put DeathNote or the other players through keeping track of yet-another replacement. Iecerint already can't keep them straight. <_<

Iece, there is no substance in this and i know you are better than that...
draw up a post like you normally would, preview it and change the pronouns...not too hard really...
you are definitely on my watch list...

OK Sword let me show you something
I am town, therefore, I know Fennin isnt bussing me. He looked like scum from my pov. Either way from your pov where you dont know that, you should vote him over me as its clearly more indicative of his alignment than mine.
Do you disagree?

or conversely, from his POV , you could be bussing Malee…that was the point I was making…

[Kdub]

1. Because normally I just claim my role so I'd say "I'd need to claim role," but because that wouldn't work I decided to use "I'd need to fullclaim all my abilities."

Force Pull doesn't matter all that much, but if I'm claiming the other two there isn't really a reason not to claim it.

It also makes sense synergy-wise with my abilities.

Yet you didn't claim it until after I called your ability into question...

2. I'm assuming "force powers" are normal powers(Cop/Doc/Vig/etc). I thought Mafia night kill would probably be blasters(in addition to town night kill obv). If I use my active, I think I'm bulletproof. My passive is reflexive roleblocker.

You've repeated this sentiment a few times, so I think this is as far as I'm going to get on this point. I'd just like to point out a few things:
- You assumed the mafia kill would be blasters (note that earlier you said it could be either blasters or force powers). Nobody, either with or without knowledge of Star Wars, could logically make this assumption. If anybody disagrees, then please speak up.
- You earlier suggested "lightsabers" as another kill method. That contradicts your earlier claim that you didn't think there were any other kill methods besides blasters and force powers.
- Since it has now been pointed out that there could be other kill methods and that you may not be bulletproof after all, this casts doubt on your idea that Fennin breadcrumbed to draw the mafia NK. You have yet to comment on this.

I've yet to see anything OTHER than "Bread-crumb" / Rolegate thrown his way other than your "He wasn't answering my questions" charge which really doesn't mean much to me.

If you disagree with those reasons, that's another issue, but my stance here should be clear. What is your opinion on his claim by the way? Do you think it flies?

As to the relational tells you are going to need to justify why you would not then want to lynch any of them you found scummy as opposed to lynching that claimed Role. Because lynching Bulletproofs / Variants Day 1 makes ZERO sense from a Town perspective.

If he's Town his claim creates tough decisions for scum in a number of areas and he's specifically warned any Town Power Roles not to use their ability on him and waste it. And downside to his lynch at this stage far outweigh the possible benefits IMO.

1. I find Fennin/BB to be the scummiest of the 3 (BB/Peregrine/Shmugen) for reasons I've already explained, and the conditional reads are not necessarily transitive.
2. No, if a town player claims bulletproof/untargetable or some variant thereof, it does not create tough situations for scum - they simply know to not target that player with whatever abilities.

There are some people who think that a bulletproof claim is automatic grounds for a lynch, even if said player has been pro-town. I am not in that camp to that extreme, but I understand the sentiment - the player will never die other than via lynch, it tends to be a common SK/godfather power, and (in contradiction to what you claimed above) creates tough decisions for the

town

the closer they get to lylo with that player still alive. I'm surprised that you would claim the opposite here, but please explain. Regardless, it's not even BB's claimed role itself that bothers me, it's the flaws in his claim and the way he claimed it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

There are some people who think that a bulletproof claim is automatic grounds for a lynch, even if said player has been pro-town. I am not in that camp to that extreme, but I understand the sentiment - the player will never die other than via lynch, it tends to be a common SK/godfather power, and (in contradiction to what you claimed above) creates tough decisions for the town the closer they get to lylo with that player still alive. I'm surprised that you would claim the opposite here, but please explain. Regardless, it's not even BB's claimed role itself that bothers me, it's the flaws in his claim and the way he claimed it.

1. Yes, it does create a tough situation for scum. Firstly they have to consider whether Town BB is actually unkillable or not. Granted they may already have a notion from his claim as structured but they can't be 100% certain (or are morons). Thus they risk letting a player effective scum-hunt and become Obv-Town if they don't 'take him down' via lynch immediately. Which is why I highly suspect that at least one of the people who 'want him dead' are scum.

2. It's anecdotal but another MD thread had me collecting examples of Bulletproof claims and whether they were Town / Scum / 3rd Party and whether they were real. The fact that Serial Killers (and sometimes Godfathers) are bulletproof does not mean Town are Bulletproof in at least equal proportion. So unless you can find complete statistics on the spread of bulletproof roles between Town and Scum using that argument isn't valid.

3. Town of course would have to judge whether BB should be lynched closer to LYLO. That isn't today and pre-supposing it puts Town in a bad spot doesn't address the realities of gameplay that would happen between now and closer to LYLO. That argument is effectively Appealing to Fear with "What if he's scummy near LYLO" when there is no guarantee the game gets near LYLO with BB's alignment in doubt.

4. Your opinion of 'flaws' in his claim and 'problems with presentation' differ from mine. So again ... if you can't bring up anything outside the claim that warrants lynch at this stage and you are Town then you need to move on to other suspects. I find it suspect that you can't find suspects who are scummy independant of relationally with BB.

[Slandaar]

or conversely, from his POV , you could be bussing Malee…that was the point I was making…

That doesn't make any sense.

Why would he think im bussing if he agrees with my reasoning? I mean by that logic maybe Magna is bussing me? you agree with his reasoning right? Maybe you should vote Magna? Ridiculous.

I know I am town, I know im not bussing, therefore to me he looks like scum who wants to be able to vote either wagon or hes scum who wants to defend his buddy but at the same time not make it too obvious. Either way he looks like scum.

[Shadow Dancer]

With deadline approaching I finally force myself down to do all the actual rereading. So expect major content within the next 24h...

[syndromeofadown]

First of all:
VOTE: MaguaofIllusion
I'll get to that in a second.

Second of all, you're all being played. It's all a conspiracy. MoI, SD, and Malee/Hasdgfas, are all definitely scum partners. BBmolla probably in with them too. You can tell by their interactions and general scummy play. Seriously, go back and reread the archives with this knowledge in mind and it will all make sense. Get off the Slandaar and Peregrine wagons, they're poisonous; scum-driven.

Malee's play early on early on gave me some scum chills: fluffy posts, inconsistent reads, bad attacks on other players... I don't know if Malee is a noob or not but I definitely got newbscum vibes from that slot. Really liked Slandaar's attack on him/her.

However, every time Malee got attacked, Shadow Dancer's knee jerk reaction seems to have been to attack the attacker. MoI too but in a more elegant wall of text way. Their posts reek of scumbuddy defending and trying to divert attention away from their partner or finding excuses to attack a townie for no reason. MoI also constantly tries to dismiss the case on Malee as "being attacked for providing content" which is frankly BS. Just read through the archives, it's all there man. I don't blame you guys for missing it, hindsight is 20/20.

But fuck all that. We can sort through it all once MoI flips scum.

WHY YOU SHOULD BE VOTING MAGUAOFILLUSION

1. His case on Slandaar is pretty much BS, and the fact that he pushed it so hard is scummy in itself. Why is he tunneling on Slandaar so hard for "dodging the thread" when other players were also not posting here? Why does he still continue to try and discredit Slandaar after posting a logical town explanation why he missed the thread? And why does he continue pressing charges even after other players confirmed to not receive a prod PM, and the mod confirmed to not have given everyone a prod? Why is he not attacking Andrius or ShadowDancer for doing the same later on? The whole ordeal really seems to me like mafia grasping at straws to get rid of a dangerous town player.

No, it doesn’t contradict it at all. The break and resurrection in the thread allowed you an opportunity to do so. Your alternate suggestion is that you are completely incompetent and were unable to click on threads other than bookmarks / subscriptions for multiple days. You are the one who keeps making the argument that you aren’t an idiot but your explanation at how you possibly missed the thread revolves solely on you being one. See I’m giving you credit for being scum actively trying out a tactic as opposed to a derp. Maybe that's a mistake on my part.

I wanted to respond to this in particular. After pretty much getting caught in his own contradiction, MoI's only response is "you're an idiot". Maybe Slandaar really just didn't bother clicking something other than bookmarks/subscriptions. How does this make him an idiot? And more importantly - even if he was lying about the whole thing and really did see the thread - HOW does that make him scum? Town lurk and avoid posting in threads all the time. Town also lies about it all the damn time. Your excuse is "he was under pressure" - pressure from who? Didn't seem like there was much pressure on anyone at the time.

Yeah, this whole case is garbage and I find MoI scummy for pushing it so hard.

2. Constantly calling SD obvious town, without ever saying why. Bitch you better start explaining yourself. Is he "obvious town" because he's your scumbuddy? And why is Hasdgsadfdfg obvious town?

3.

And now is the point where put you on the likely scum / PEW PEW PEW list. Because I’ve played with Town Iec. Town Iec may be infuriating but he doesn’t Herp-A-Derp lurk it up and post basically non-content.

Look at this shit. MoI is attacking Iec for providing content! Hypocrite. He's constantly hand-waving scumtells directed at a select few of people while bashing others for doing the same. Inconsistency in the way he hands out scum-reads. Probably adding Iec to your scumlist because he suspects you.

4. This post from the archives:

None. Why is having a ‘strategy’ important to you? The VT role in this game was replaced with the Blaster role. Regardless of whether Goons are considered Vanilla or not the concentration of Town with Blasters as opposed to Total with Blasters is going to be higher than the concentration of Town to total. I can show you general math if you want to push the issue. Scum gain an advantage by trying to direct the overall Blaster direction during the day.

The fact that you were completely ignorant of the blaster mechanics will be very important long term, IMO. Right now that ignorance

Scumslip 1: knowing that there are Mafia Goons in this game. Scumslip 2: knowing that scum get blasters at all! The fact that you mention goons in particular getting blasters and not mafia in general is highly suspect and sounds like it could be coming from inside information - if you're going to assume scum get blasters at all, why assume it's only Goons? Where in the OP does it say anyone other than Vanilla Towns get blasters?

And disregarding the scumslips - MoI is outright trying to stop all blaster strategy, which is scummy. I think it's pretty freaking important for town to have a consensus on who to shoot. We need at least 3 shots for the kill to count, so having NO discussion can lead to NO extra kill. We're essentially getting an extra lynch here - trying to say we shouldn't discuss it because scum can influence it is like saying we discuss who to vote in the topic because scum can influence our opinion. Fucking horrible logic there.

And say scum hypothetically DO get blasters - then they can come to a consensus in their QT and fire at the same person while town shoots around randomly, turning our free lynch into an extra mafia kill. Still horrible logic.

I think I've said enough for now, but don't think I'm done.

[Nero Cain]

Dunno man. Cow is obv scum. WC doesn't really give me town vibes and with Cow's only other scum read on WC and Shmugen/Kurtis saying that he wanted a PV or Slandaar lynch + this blurb "I'd almost call WC town based on my small scum gut feeling on him." made me think a cow/WC/Shmugen/whomeverelse team.

[Andrius]

Player accuses Slandaar.
Slandaar thinks they're scum.
Pattern, anyone?

I suggest other people follow suit and let him live, which sucks for me because he was the most likely counter wagon to my own lynch.

BRB seeing if this guy voted/pressured BBmolla.
If not then he's scum.
Almost as guaranteed as Slandaar.

Unless anyone else has a role and role name, which if they do they should speak up.

Just a charactername here.

But is that really a scumtell?
DeathNote wouldn't deliberately make the town and scum role PMs dissimilar.

Scums

MoI
Peregrine
Andrius
BBMolla (= Fennin)

At most 1 of {MoI, BBMolla} are scum.

I don't see the Magna case.
I'm assuming that I'm on the list for being missing sitewide.

Hello all. I've just read up from the post-crash on, I'll get to the precrash when I can.

ooba strikes me as the scummiest player so far. His list of town and scum players is next to useless because there's very little reasoning. He voted WC, unvoted, and voted WC again which strikes me as someone who isn't actually paying attention and is just being opportunistic. He puts more effort into reiterating things that have been said and being helpful than scumhunting.

VOTE: ooba

Hi.
Do you have any other reads?
Townreads?
Scumreads?
Any other reads?
All reads are helpful.

that MoI might need the title of The Shepherd

We already have a sheperd. VRK.

Apparently my vote didn't rollover. Ok.

Vote: Slandaar

"Pushing too hard" is not scummy, sword_of_omens. Its called being determined. I'd be right there next to him if I were actually on MS.

IECE: So SoO is town because he's focusing Slandaar and Magna? What in particular reads town to you?

This is like the second time Shmugen's introduced himself. Move on please.

SoO, I am the new Kurtis. A pleasure to make your acquaintance and all that. I took a slight peek at the cache'd game, but the lack of ISO ability makes trying to find what Kurtis said among the clutter rough. I'd prefer to look at who is playing now rather than try to sort through replacements in the cache as well. From what I can see, Kurtis had an issue understanding that crumbing one's role name in a DeathNote game is inherently scummy.

^scum.

Town has zero reason to care what former them said unless specifically asked.

I'm not sure I quite agree with this.
How does this make them scum?
I was thinking that it would be helpful to know what your predecessor did/said and how people reacted to your slot.

I think we need to direct blasterfire btw.

We should all just shoot Sleepy/PV(if hes not lynched) and Elmo.
Might be good not to lynch PV and just blaster... not sure. He needs death though.

This has been brought up.
And it was shot down.

See what i did there?

Bringing up old content for things to talk about is not helping any.

'Sides as a good man said guns are primitive.

unvote, vote: shadow

Care to explain?

Ah... Ok I get it now... I am scum... And Magna is scum...
And hence we need to blaster focus Sleepy... And Per... And Elmo... and...

...er...

No, I actually do not get it, Slan.

Yep.
Slan is scum.
Glad we both see the same thing.

also like Andy's post 318 and the extra zipped files that were missing..thanks Andy

My posting is generally quite awesome but it was ooba that found the missing posts. :/
Most of them were mine so that's why my name is in there alot.
SoO tunnelvisions Slandaar.
Do you think you're "pushing too hard" on Slandaar yet?
If so, how is Magna pushing Slandaar "too hard" any different from you? (Also you both think he's scum.)
If not, why not?

@Andrius: the posts exist then... so now you can show what you are voting me for can't you?

Read Magna's posts. I'm too bored and not-giving-shits to put in the time to rehash what has already been hashed on you.
I MIGHT go and multiquote myself if I feel like it. That's less time than casewriting.

MAGNA DONT YOU LEAVE ME FOR A PEREGRINE WAGON.
SLANDAAR STILL BREATHES.

I have a role name.

I don't.

Slandaar- What do you think of Peregrine's formatting of his posts? How about his multiposting?
What do you think of Magna's post formatting?

mod, can you resend my role pm?

PMs exist, Nero.

Shadow will be dancing on your ass for this. Stop the rolefishing!

Stop using me as ahield. Or I am gonna be dancing on

your

ass. This is pure meta-role-information and not role fishing at all. No reason not to just answer it.

Reverse chainsaw on peregrine's part?

No matter your role, WHY CRUMB AS TOWN?

Seriously?
Because if you're serious The Baker is perfectly happy to oblige a discussion on the merits of breadcrumbing.

Because you obviously find it scummy.

1. Untargetable claim

Untargettables can be town.

...explain to me the point of this type of ability being an active ability when you have no other active abilities?

Interesting point.

...except your claimed abilities deflect blaster shots and force powers. Unless you know that night kills fall under one of these categories (and there is no reason to assume it does), this makes no sense.

This is also good but there's really no way of knowing (now) how nightkills are flavored.

...explain to me the point of this type of ability being an active ability when you have no other active abilities?

I also can attract people to me, but I felt that wasn't as relevent.

What other ways can people die? Do you think Mafia use lightsabers or something?

Fullclaims generally involve claiming all powers.
Regardless I believe the claim.
Dependent of alignment of course.
Slandaar still needs to die.
As do many others.
BB is not for death.

For you slow people, the most likely plan was like this(I haven't reread, so I'm just pulling this out of my ass.)

1. Breadcrumb Yoda
2. Have mafia notice because TOWN SHOULDN'T GIVE TWO FUCKS
3. Have mafia oanic "Omg he claimed yoda he must be powerful, kill him"
4. No night kill
5. Claim?

Probably some shit like that.

Town should see them.
Town shouldn't OUT them.

That'd be unbelievably overpowered and extremely unrealistic for scum to have.

How familiar are you with DeathNote and his games?

Welcome back Nexus.

You don't respond to me on LoL when I message you.

Role aside what alignment do you think BB is?

Hola everyone. I am reading up.

...
If you didn't replace Malee I'd be voting you right now.
I want barbequed hascow two faraday games ago.
Anywho welcome; you're town.

[Andrius]

Awesome it went through. Got a service 500 error last time I tried to post it.
Luckily I copied my post before I posted.

Anywho things that are missing from that post that I added were bits about my and my not-quite broken foot and some reads.

ScumreadS:
Slandaar
Peregrine
WrathChild
anxiety
smugen
soO
someone else

[Nexus]

Slandaar: I don't deny I've been pretty fucking useless thus far, but even so, you're coming across as clutchy clutch clutch.

Andy:

I RESPONDED TO YOU YOU ASS.

I think that BBM is not town - leaning cheeky scum.

[Kdub]

Thus they risk letting a player effective scum-hunt and become Obv-Town if they don't 'take him down' via lynch immediately.

Don't want to get into a huge theory debate, but I strongly disagree with you, particularly on this point. The times that a town bulletproof plays so well that they become obv-town and are a thorn in the side of the scum even in the face of suspicion due to their claim are rare (got any examples?). Besides that, BB has not demonstrated anything close to the level of play you are talking about so far. Even besides

that

, I've already said that the claim itself is not the main reason I suspect him.

4. Your opinion of 'flaws' in his claim and 'problems with presentation' differ from mine. So again ... if you can't bring up anything outside the claim that warrants lynch at this stage and you are Town then you need to move on to other suspects. I find it suspect that you can't find suspects who are scummy independant of relationally with BB.

Just so we're absolutely clear on your position, you don't find the fact that he amended his claim after being questioned to be suspicious? And I have brought up stuff outside the claim (which several others have agreed with previously), you just don't agree with it apparently.

And disregarding the scumslips - MoI is outright trying to stop all blaster strategy, which is scummy. I think it's pretty freaking important for town to have a consensus on who to shoot. We need at least 3 shots for the kill to count, so having NO discussion can lead to NO extra kill. We're essentially getting an extra lynch here - trying to say we shouldn't discuss it because scum can influence it is like saying we discuss who to vote in the topic because scum can influence our opinion. Fucking horrible logic there.

Your case was interesting up until here. This was explained several times - the blaster thing is NOT an extra lynch.

Dunno man. Cow is obv scum. WC doesn't really give me town vibes and with Cow's only other scum read on WC and Shmugen/Kurtis saying that he wanted a PV or Slandaar lynch this blurb "I'd almost call WC town based on my small scum gut feeling on him." made me think a cow/WC/Shmugen/whomeverelse team.

FoS: Nero

You have been inconsistent with your votes relative to your claimed level of suspicion ever since the game restarted. You called out ooba as scum, but voted Elmo instead for weak reasons. You switched your vote to WC and claimed to suspect hasd despite having said little about that slot, while Elmo and ooba mysteriously disappeared from your scum list. Now suddenly hasd is "obv scum", meanwhile you are still voting WC who now is just a "small scum gut feeling". You aren't actually trying to find scum, you're just shuffling your suspicions around seemingly at random.

This is also good but there's really no way of knowing (now) how nightkills are flavored.

That's my point. BB couldn't have known it either.

Regardless I believe the claim.
Dependent of alignment of course.

Err...not sure this is entirely clear. You believe he has the powers he says he has, but only if his alignment is what you think it is (I assume town since you said you don't want to lynch him)?

[Nero Cain]

Dunno man. Cow is obv scum. WC doesn't really give me town vibes and with Cow's only other scum read on WC and Shmugen/Kurtis saying that he wanted a PV or Slandaar lynch this blurb "I'd almost call WC town based on my small scum gut feeling on him." made me think a cow/WC/Shmugen/whomeverelse team.

FoS: Nero

You have been inconsistent with your votes relative to your claimed level of suspicion ever since the game restarted. You called out ooba as scum, but voted Elmo instead for weak reasons. You switched your vote to WC and claimed to suspect hasd despite having said little about that slot, while Elmo and ooba mysteriously disappeared from your scum list. Now suddenly hasd is "obv scum", meanwhile you are still voting WC who now is just a "small scum gut feeling". You aren't actually trying to find scum, you're just shuffling your suspicions around seemingly at random.

So my reads change. They are supposed to. new posts/new information/rethinking=new reads. Malee/SK was never a town read. I actually started suspecting Malee for having a Myra(?) Jade (who is a bad guy) avatar in pre-game but switched it after the game started like she was scum and was worried about having a bad guy for a picture. Then when SK replaced in he was just generally useless and not at all like the town Sleepy I've played with before. Then I felt like Cows post was terrible. Never said I stopped suspecting Elmo. I also wasn't the one that said I have a small gut feeling on WC. Why did you misrep me like that?

[Nexus]

Are you genuinely using avatars as a tell? Really?

[Nero Cain]

no

[Andrius]

Err...not sure this is entirely clear. You believe he has the powers he says he has, but only if his alignment is what you think it is (I assume town since you said you don't want to lynch him)?

I believe the claim.
I don't think its indicative of his alignment.
That help?