NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

8 voters, 2 former-voters, 3 interested players, 13 to lynch.
Rack's been pseudolynched already, even without the above players' opinions. Look at the names involved.

[Benmage, The Mini-Librarian, drmyshotgun, Firestarter, Kublai Khan, Pine, Lady Lambdadelta, Candy Corn Vampire], {NihilisticNinja, Psyche}, (mastin2, Maxous, DV).
[Voting]{Voted}(Interested).

Tell me, LLD, does this look like a town-driven wagon to you?

Um, with the exception of Pine and maybe CCV and Firestarter, I believe most players on this wagon to be town.

Ninja is town. Psyche is null-town for me right now.

So I mean, it looks pretty town to me.

[mastin2]

Put another way, LLD--you gave a list of suspects. Three of them are on the wagon. (A fourth being rack.) So unless your scumreads on the three (myself, Pine, and CCV) are outdated, or you think that rack is being powerbussed, there's no way for rack to be scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Put another way, LLD--you gave a list of suspects. Three of them are on the wagon. (A fourth being rack.) So unless your scumreads on the three (myself, Pine, and CCV) are outdated, or you think that rack is being powerbussed, there's no way for rack to be scum.

Show me where you voted for Rack?

Because if you haven't (like I suspect) you're doing nothing more than cheerleading the wagon incase it goes through to a lynch.

Which, PS, is scummy if Rack flips scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(On another note, I need to re-read a few things in light of you backing down from KK)

[mastin2]

Show me where you voted for Rack?

Because if you haven't (like I suspect) you're doing nothing more than cheerleading the wagon incase it goes through to a lynch.

Which, PS, is scummy if Rack flips scum.

My point exactly. I haven't, but I expressed interest.
Maxous hasn't, but he's expressed interest.
DV hasn't, but he's expressed potential interest.

Psyche and Ninja aren't on it, but were on it, and haven't (to my knowledge) actually changed their scumreads on rack.

The wagon on rack is not 8. It's 13, and it takes 13 to lynch. We pseudolynched rack, with the names I listed. [Benmage, The Mini-Librarian, drmyshotgun, Firestarter, Kublai Khan, Pine, Lady Lambdadelta, Candy Corn Vampire], {NihilisticNinja, Psyche}, (mastin2, Maxous, DV).

You have multiple scum/nullreads on the wagon. Myself included.

I have it moreso; on the wagon, I've only got four townreads, two of them weak; the rest are null or scum.

I ask again. Given these 13 players, does it look like it's a town-driven wagon?

It certainly doesn't to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your mistake is that you are trying to equate actually voting on the wagon to "potential interest". These are not equal.

[mastin2]

I'll give you that, but not in the way you think--they're not equal; potential interest is

more

important and valuable than actual voting is. Not (as you were probably implying) less.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll give you that, but not in the way you think--they're not equal; potential interest is

more

important and valuable than actual voting is. Not (as you were probably implying) less.

They are valuable. But they're not important.

What they are is cheerleading. Not wanting to be on the wagon, but appearing like they support it, when in reality they do not support it enough to vote it.

[redFF]

hey lld ccv is scum yo.

[mastin2]

They are valuable. But they're not important.

What they are is cheerleading. Not wanting to be on the wagon, but appearing like they support it, when in reality they do not support it enough to vote it.

Exactly. And at least one of your suspects having done this doesn't change how you view the wagon at all?

Like I said. rack's town. The pseudolynch on him looks horribad to me, and quite frankly, I can't seem to understand why from your perspective it doesn't at least look fishy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hey lld ccv is scum yo.

I wouldn't... disagree... but it is my policy to allow a replacement the chance to make or break themselves upon their own merit.

Though I will obviously take into account the actions of CCV.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

They are valuable. But they're not important.

What they are is cheerleading. Not wanting to be on the wagon, but appearing like they support it, when in reality they do not support it enough to vote it.

Exactly. And at least one of your suspects having done this doesn't change how you view the wagon at all?

Like I said. rack's town. The pseudolynch on him looks horribad to me, and quite frankly, I can't seem to understand why from your perspective it doesn't at least look fishy.

This pseudo lynch crap you're postulating is terrible. You're making it up to try and disperse what is a perfectly solid wagon on a VERY SCUMMY PLAYER.

[redFF]

so if rack got replaced you'd unvote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so if rack got replaced you'd unvote?

Yes actually. No turbo-lynching replacees.

They always can add something to the game, it's a pro-town thing to do.

[Maxous]

Sorry if this looks a bit cluttered!

Maybe Rack, I want him to explain that Nero stance and comment.

Pine's defence of scooby is just weird. And unneccessary.
Why would you say it is 'unreasonable' to hold something against scooby when you agree that he is deserving of pressure for the same comment. Why even bother defending him at all if you think he deserves pressure?
And I want to know where the Mastin town read came from.

Having people screaming for a person's death when they haven't actually entered the game yet is a big pet peeve of mine. It pisses me off. If they've engaged with the game, and are withholding significant content (like Rack) then I condone it. All Scooby had done to that point was confirm, and people were ready to lynch him. What the fuck?

Mastin Townread is from experience and gut.

I'll be frank, i'm sceptical of all this.

I still find it hard to beleive you would of used the wording "unreasonable to hold against" if you did beleive he deserved pressure.
I think you were trying to white knight scooby but then realised how silly this argument was when KK called you on it. And then you tried to cover it with 'well yeah, I agree he deserves pressure'.
And why do you have no read on Scooby if you beleive he deserves pressure?
People who deserve pressure are light scum reads yeah? Are at least people who are acting scummy.

Most of what KK has written so far I agree with, except maybe the stance on scooby.
I agree with Pine here, that death shouldn't be in the pipeline for someone who only posted
once, and that was to confirm.
I came in and did the same thing, confirmed. Where was the pressure on me?

You confirmed post #26. Scooby was post #93.
There is a very obvious difference.
And no, mini librarion was not pulling double standards as you seem to be suggesting.

Why does psyche's vote on rack look like a bus to you?

Ohgod. Oh, god. Firestarter. really. is. scum. That post. just.

painfully

so. IioA, bad reads, scummy tone...

I need to go back to my QT to type out the details in more...coherence.

I was actually interested in this...

@Jason: Is the tl;dr of your case on psyche 'he avoided a couple of questions before he eventually answered them'.
Frankly, #308 is very unclear to me.
Are you calling ninja scummy or what? Are you calling benmage scum?
Which of Mastin's thoughts interested you?

Nothing drmyshottyizsik posts makes sense to me.

@Psyche: I don't know what "his posts are meh" means.

YO MAXOUS COMMENT ON CCV

You over-reacted.

I'm willing to give rack a bit more time to explain themselves but..stop dragging it out already.

[redFF]

I caught 2 scum and it's only day 1.

Add pine and maxous as scumreads, pine only slight.

[Antihero]

Hey Lady Lambdadelta!

/catching up and catching scum

[Nero Cain]

Nero- what are your current reads?

thar be scum in NN, KK, LLD, Psyche, jason,mage

Why has he explained nothing about this? Or pushed it all?
All i seen was "i'm pretty sure one of LLD or KK is scum"

I did'nt like this post either,

Ok then.

Mastin called you scum and I called you a vi. Instead of responding

you instead join a bandwagon with a vote that attempts to look like an RVS. Why would you do this as town?

Why should shotgun respond to either of these? Particulary you calling him a vi?

And here is my biggest issue,

though I have to agree that fire is very probable scum. Psyche is his #1 but he joins the rack wagon?

This is your FS scum read presumably.
First, how is it scummy if somebody joins the more viable wagon of a scumread rather than the preferred scumread?
If I understand correctly you prefer a drmyshotgun lynch but you are voting Firestarter right now yes?
So you are doing exactly what you are calling FS scum for doing.
secondly,

And note (I should have put this in my original post), my initial scum list is in no particular order.
If one was to check the player list on the very first page, my reads are in that order.

Explains the entire issue Nero had with Firestarter.
Nero did'nt respond to or adress this at all.
And yet Nero is voting FS. For no other explained reason.

Vote: Nero Cain

I'll get to more a bit later.

All you or anyone had to do is ask me if they wanted me to explain my reads. GEEZ!!!

In my experience, scum tend to not respond to scum accusations. The point was that there was lots of stuff he could have talked about but all he did was just bandwagon raak with a vote that tries to look like an RVS.

its still extremly early in the dayphase. If FS had a higher scumread on psyche then I see no reason for someone that is

supposedly

scumhunting to bandwagon. Sure when we get close to dl and he says "well this pshyche wagon is broken, I'm going to join the Rack wagon." then cool.

MMMMM...I still thinking. I don't particularry care who gets lynched as long as they are scum.

your chainsaw defenses of shotgun, FS and ignoring of redff's 443 is noted.

@Mastin Rack is prob town hence the fast bw

shotty-grow the fuck up.

[Nero Cain]

oh nvm, you responded.

I bet you have a null read on CCV huh?

[Antihero]

Oh, NC is in the game?

/high five, NC

[Nero Cain]

oh hai!!!!

/high five

[Antihero]

You were scum in both games I played with you.

Are you scum now?

[Nero Cain]

I can only remember both me and you playing in lovers multiball were I was scum. What was the other game?

But no I'm not scum.

[Antihero]

I can only remember both me and you playing in lovers multiball were I was scum. What was the other game?

But no I'm not scum.

Lovers multiball? I don't recall this one... /goes and looks

Oh yeah, that makes 3 games.

I'm talking about StrangerCoug's game and the Square Enix large theme game.

[Antihero]

Nope, Nero's town this game.

Awesome.