D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[4nxi3ty]

leaning town: cow

What changed from the "opportunistic scum" read that you had on me 5 pages ago? You made absolutely no comments and suddenly your read seems to be completely different.

this post mainly:

I am unsure how to convince people to not blaster me.

This worries me. Quite a bit. It feels more like "don't kill me" than actually doing something useful like scumhunting.

I also re-evaluted your earlier posts and decided that for the most part it looked like your posting came from a town mindset.

[Shmugen]

I am unsure how to convince people to not blaster me.

This worries me. Quite a bit. It feels more like "don't kill me" than actually doing something useful like scumhunting.

Well of course that portion of my post doesn't feel like scumhunting. Scumhunting is a bit of a difficult game when you have as many lurkers as we do. My vote is on Nexus, I am pleased with the case against Nexus, and unless something drastic happens or we approach the deadline with no lynch, I don't foresee my moving my vote off of Nexus.

The problem is that any sort of "what do I have to do to seem town/not get blastered?" question is the same. Scumhunt and just play the game. Asking it is an unnecessary appeal to emotion and completely unuseful. It's just a "I need to live" comment, which, while town don't want to die, is much more inherent in scum play.

It's more useful to me than the town

, true, but I figure there's always the offchance that someone thinks I'm scum for some particular point and I could attempt to clear that up for them.

Hello there. What's this? What's more useful to you than it could be to the town? I'm pretty sure you've got your priorities mixed up here. Explain.

This will seem a petty distinction, but here we go. So long as I am alive, I can attempt to be useful for the town. I may not be successful, but I can try, which is useful for me. Me being alive in general is not necessarily useful for the town, as I can be a distraction from catching scum, waste a blaster shot or a lynch, and be used to muddy the waters of the day's discussion. You can't have one without the other, I understand, but that's what I was thinking when I typed that.

[Kdub]

He lurked in that game.

But then whole game did.

So I don't know how relevent that is.

Then why did you mention lurking as part of the original reason you suspected him here? I take back what I had said, this is now a full-fledged backtrack on your reasoning of why you think Nexus is scum.

Kdub vs BBmolla looks to be townvtown

How did you reach this conclusion?

So you’ve spent a significant portion of today stating your ‘suspicion’ that you never intended to move on in the first place? How is that Pro-Town behavior at all?

If you are Town you’d have been better served pursuing players you actually think are scum and want to lynch.

As it stands it just looks like you were plugging your ‘suspicions’ into place to make sure you were positioned to move in my direction as opposed to actually scum-hunting.

"significant portion", really? As if I haven't been pursuing others? Apparently you think it's suspicious to voice negative opinons of people even if I primarily want to lynch someone else today.

Shmugen, I would like you to summarize the case on Nexus for me. The only real evidence that has been presented is that SD defended Nexus on D1, which is hardly conclusive. Tell me in your own words why you suspect him.

[sword_of_omens]

@WC , i don't think MOI hi-jacks them in the way that you are thinking...

Iece has played very little and has been using his PR as an excuse...i liked town Iece in FF6 a lot because i found his reasoning very similar to mine..he was actively scumhunting, and had a lot of good insights and ideas...
again, here, his play is minimal...he's not trying to apply pressure to anyone and he seems to have no real opinion one way or another it seems...

As far as Nexus, i meant to put him in the same category as Shotgun...i would be willing to vote, but would prefer a blastershot...

[Shmugen]

Shmugen, I would like you to summarize the case on Nexus for me. The only real evidence that has been presented is that SD defended Nexus on D1, which is hardly conclusive. Tell me in your own words why you suspect him.

Very little in mafia is conclusive, Kdub. Slandaar's attacks on Nexus day 1 felt strained and I certainly paid them no heed. I had an impression the rest of the town felt similarly. In such a situation, feeling the need to defend the target of the silly attacks tells me that SD wasn't feeling those same vibes and wanted to defend his/her partner.

I've mentioned before and elsewhere that I generally dislike lynching all lurkers, particularly early in the game. Selective lurking like we have with Nexus is a different story. Repeated promises of content that have never materialized, especially after a wagon has built up have me content with my vote.

[drmyshotgun]

I personally prefer to get blasted. I'll extort myself and Slandaar.

[drmyshotgun]

Damn, I missed my chance to post 1000th post.

[Shmugen]

A better explanation of what extortion does might be handy. The closest parallel I've found is some sort of vote manipulator, declaring you'll use it on confirmed town doesn't sound good.

[drmyshotgun]

To protect him, naturally.

[Nero Cain]

BB saying let Smugen and WC live gives me some bad vibes.

They're my buddies and I don't feel like bussing them.

vote: BBmolla

Policy vote for claiming scum, even in a joking manner.

ok......lets recap what you've done today. You have a "scum" read on WC. Then you switched to Gunny then you switch to BB for "policy". Whats with all the vote hoping here?

There a reason that you aren't explaining what makes you think WC is scum and why the wagon hop?

@Shmugen explain your turn around, yesterday you were all like "if someone thinks I'm scum I'm not going to care" and today you are all like "lets argue!!!" what made you change your mind?

[splitfarvle]

Prod dodge since I've been busy, but I still feel like ooba and WC are linked for the reasons I mentioned before. I owe this game a re-read, and am planning on setting time aside this weekend for it. Thankfully, this semester is almost over!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Shmugen’s Post 1001 reinforces my read on his slot.

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it was a comment about your personality, you have been constantly undercutting slandaar and from what I can tell it is because you like to be the townleader. I am basically telling you to let slandaar do his own thing; while I may not agree with his dr vote he has been constantly pressuring people and your beratement will only serve to demoralize him.

So it was a comment that has no relevance to your read on me and isn’t helpful in determining my alignment. What is the purpose of posting it other than to fluff up your posts?

2. You don't see town motivation to stop a townvtown?

No, not really. If it is a Town versus Town conflict and enough people agree then it will sort itself out as neither side will gain traction on lynching the other. Again it certainly is something scum looking to buddy up to both sides might do.

And in the end Town mediating is much less useful than hunting scum IMO.

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MOI - still trying to wrap my head around you...what was the purpose of coming out and claiming what you did about responsibilty on Syndrome? based on what you said, and if i'm guessing correctly, enough people wanted you dead to warrant a Syndrome kill.. and I doubt Slandaar had a blaster shot if he could ModConf himself...then we have the NK's...unless we have another Vig or a redirector who got very lucky, i don't eally see how there could be only 1 scum team.

Trying to translate this to understandable English is hurting my head and making me question sword’s alignment. Because I’ve seen his Town play and he’s very understandable and generally makes good conclusions. This is 180 degrees the opposite.

I’m also concerned by what I see as possible fishing for a Redirector / Busdriver at the end. Because a bus-drive that resulted in a scum shot being redirected from Slandaar to either ooba or Shadow would make sense to me.

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MoI: Read on Nexus, Cow and Shotgun?

I have no real Nexus read. I probably should ISO him because I’d not have remember he’s in the game at this stage.

Cow is a general Town read based on Malee being a Town read and my theory regarding Force-users being a good number of the scum. His claim makes sense as Town and so far I have no reason to question it.

Shotgun is a VI or alt trying hard to be a VI. That’s all I will say so far but based on my previous posts I’ll not support a wagon on him today.

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"significant portion", really? As if I haven't been pursuing others? Apparently you think it's suspicious to voice negative opinons of people even if I primarily want to lynch someone else today.

Yes, I’d say so. You really haven’t been doing much in driving a wagon on BB today. Lots of questions and ‘explain this to me’ but no real “This is why we wagon him” that’s effective Town pursuit.

And the rest of today’s ISO is questioning me and some weak interaction with Shmugen. Maybe my perception is clouded by the fact that I don’t see you are really going after scum via knowing I’m Town and my Town read on BB.

[hasdgfas]

BB saying let Smugen and WC live gives me some bad vibes.

They're my buddies and I don't feel like bussing them.

vote: BBmolla

Policy vote for claiming scum, even in a joking manner.

ok......lets recap what you've done today. You have a "scum" read on WC. Then you switched to Gunny then you switch to BB for "policy". Whats with all the vote hoping here?

There a reason that you aren't explaining what makes you think WC is scum and why the wagon hop?

I keep thinking my vote would be better served at a different place than it currently is. Why else would I be switching votes constantly?
I already explained why I think WC is scum. Yesterday. Again, a lot of it is gut, and then there was the smug "I can't be buddies with PV" trying to push one scumteam.

[Slandaar]

Magna how can you forget Nexus is in the game when hes leading wagon?

[sword_of_omens]

damnit, MOI....i'm starting to think you are scum...

[drmyshotgun]

Yeah. Me too.
VOTE: Magna

[Kdub]

Very little in mafia is conclusive, Kdub. Slandaar's attacks on Nexus day 1 felt strained and I certainly paid them no heed. I had an impression the rest of the town felt similarly. In such a situation, feeling the need to defend the target of the silly attacks tells me that SD wasn't feeling those same vibes and wanted to defend his/her partner.

OK, but if you look at the first of the two quotes that 4nxiety pulled from SD in post 829, Slandaar had already conceded that a Nexus lynch wasn't going to happen, so if we assume you are right, why would SD feel the need to defend his partner there? In fact, SD isn't really defending Nexus so much as he was trying to push a Peregrine mislynch in that quote.

With that plus the lurking argument, I find your reason for suspecting Nexus to the point where you say you are unwilling to move your vote today to be quite flimsy.

Yes, I’d say so. You really haven’t been doing much in driving a wagon on BB today. Lots of questions and ‘explain this to me’ but no real “This is why we wagon him” that’s effective Town pursuit.

Your statement was that I spent a "significant portion" of today expressing suspicion of you when you weren't a top lynch candidate today. A glance at my iso today reveals that this obviously isn't true from a quantitative standpoint. If you were trying to argue that it is true from a qualitative standpoint (your suggestion that I'm not actually pursuing a BB wagon), well that goes directly against your assertion that I never intended to move on my suspicion of you.

You've been suggesting in your past few posts that I am not acting "pro-town" or that I am positioning myself to move against you instead of scumhunting without directly calling me scum. I notice I'm also not on your scumlist today when you had expressed some suspicion of me yesterday. Couldn't the exact same argument you are using to try to discredit me (suspecting you without acting on it) be applied to you in this situation?

[Shmugen]

Very little in mafia is conclusive, Kdub. Slandaar's attacks on Nexus day 1 felt strained and I certainly paid them no heed. I had an impression the rest of the town felt similarly. In such a situation, feeling the need to defend the target of the silly attacks tells me that SD wasn't feeling those same vibes and wanted to defend his/her partner.

OK, but if you look at the first of the two quotes that 4nxiety pulled from SD in post 829, Slandaar had already conceded that a Nexus lynch wasn't going to happen, so if we assume you are right, why would SD feel the need to defend his partner there? In fact, SD isn't really defending Nexus so much as he was trying to push a Peregrine mislynch in that quote.

With that plus the lurking argument, I find your reason for suspecting Nexus to the point where you say you are unwilling to move your vote today to be quite flimsy.

I did not say I was unwilling to move my vote, simply that something drastic would have to happen. I'm not going to move my vote on a whim. The same logic you talk about here applies from the scum direction. Looking at the second quote Anxiety references, why the need to say 'I wouldn't shed a tear for Nexus' if the Nexus lynch wasn't going to happen? 'Well, I wouldn't feel bad if we kill him' is just generic distancing, except that an early flip for SD made it much easier to spot.

@Shmugen explain your turn around, yesterday you were all like "if someone thinks I'm scum I'm not going to care" and today you are all like "lets argue!!!" what made you change your mind?

Gladly. There are two primary reasons for my change of heart. One, I'm feeling a touch lost in this game and getting into arguments with people is one of the few ways I've found that get me solid leads. Reading other people arguing doesn't do as much for me as I'd like it to. Two, I had not expected the idea of me being scum to take root in so many people. I am actively at risk of being blastered, I feel, and thusly it's time to do some talking.

[4nxi3ty]

Kdub vs BBmolla looks to be townvtown

How did you reach this conclusion?

the overall tone in your posts have given me town vibes. And your willingness to continually push your top scum even when you don't get much support looks very townish.

I am not seeing panicked scum tones from bbmolla's response to your pressure.

Despite my opinion of him, I don't think BB was role fishing. Shmugen's post 846 is the latest in a long line of BB-Shmugen interactions that feels forced and insincere. Didn't you think BB was town yesterday?

This seems really town to me.

Well I just think it's best if we agree to think the other is buddying.

Also, that wasn't really the response I expected, which is a good thing.

and these posts gave me strong townvibes

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OK, but if you look at the first of the two quotes that 4nxiety pulled from SD in post 829, Slandaar had already conceded that a Nexus lynch wasn't going to happen, so if we assume you are right, why would SD feel the need to defend his partner there? In fact, SD isn't really defending Nexus so much as he was trying to push a Peregrine mislynch in that quote.

This is a point I didn't really consider when ISOing SD. Think I am going to wait until a second orange-scumteam can be confirmed before pursuing any SD associations.

damnit, MOI....i'm starting to think you are scum...

this sent up a red flag for me; looks like sword is quietly trying to create more drama between MoI and others.

unvote,vote: sword of omens

[Iecerint]

Iecerint is pretty sure that SoO is town, because SoO's attitude toward Iecerint is consonant with past play. He's a bit tunnel-visioned in that regard, but that's the only mitigating factor in this opinion.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD – I’ll be LA from 4:30 PM EDT today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.

VOTE: Split

I’ll be frank – Post 1010 and his whopping 16 posts in thread doesn’t sit well with me when he’s actively signing up for multiple other games instead of focusing his attention on this on.

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Iec is still scum for basically active-lurking through the thread. Very much not Iec-Town behavior.

He’s probably going to have to eat Blaster at some point sooner or later since he’s nicely buddied up to Slandaar.

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Your statement was that I spent a "significant portion" of today expressing suspicion of you when you weren't a top lynch candidate today. A glance at my iso today reveals that this obviously isn't true from a quantitative standpoint. If you were trying to argue that it is true from a qualitative standpoint (your suggestion that I'm not actually pursuing a BB wagon), well that goes directly against your assertion that I never intended to move on my suspicion of you.

As I mentioned – your pursuit of BB is what furthers my suspicions. Odds of him being scum are astronomically small especially since we had Shadow who was a Non-Blaster Non-Force killing Serial Killer in our midst. Very little reason for him to manufacture that claim which makes him a pretty big target to said SK. I don’t see you focusing on Scum with either of your two top ‘suspects’ today.

You aren’t in to top of my scum pool but I don’t see your play as very Town. I guess it’s a Burden of Proficiency thing – I expect better from you as I know you are good at this game.

[Slandaar]

Why are you not voting nexus 14 posts been in from the start proddodging scumbag?

Can you link me to a couple scum games of yours please magna

[MagnaofIllusion]

Do your own legwork Slandaar. It's not hard - go to my profile and look at my threads.

[BBmolla]

MoI Shadow wasn't an SK.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI Shadow wasn't an SK.

And you know this how?