Heroes of Comedy Game Over - He who laughs last!

[drmyshotgun]

I must admit that this game is quite an overwhelming experience for me.
The people in this game seems to constantly bring up their past games and personal meta and I frankly cannot really grasp things.
But it occurs to me Magna has some confidence in himself (possibly for his role), I wonder why he's being obnoxious towards everyone and his reluctance to claim is confusing. Why do you not feel the need to state clearly who you are when your neck is about to go?

[pappums rat]

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Benmage's 123.

I have played a number of games with MoI, and this performance does not look like one of his town games to me. Back in KGB mafia (a long time ago) I replaced ReaperCharlie, who was town. MoI had been goading RC all game and making him look scummy. Him trying to get Benmage and Fate to argue looks similar to me, and recalling that game strengthens my scumread on MoI. I think you should go ahead and claim considering V2V has expressed intent to hammer.

[pappums rat]

EBWOP: BTW, grats on the new job, Jason!

[Korlash]

MOI, I too must parrot the call to claim. I know it doesn't mean much coming from me, but I feel we've skipped past inevitable and ended up in necessary territory here. I would prefer it if the day could last a tad bit longer than 6 pages...

[pappums rat]

Why, so you can spam the shit out of this game too? ROFL.

[vijay2vasandani]

^ agree. And Pappum's Rat, I already have my vote on him. It's just that if we're afraid he's a bomb or something i don't mind hammering instead of say Benmage.

[Korlash]

Hey, I only spam the shit out of dead QTs...

That being said... This game is all about comedy... so I might delve into a joke or two here and there... Like so...

Argon walks into a bar. The bartender exclaims "We don't serve noble gases here!" Argon... doesn't react.

Wait, I like this one too:

How many freudians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two, one to screw in the bulb and one to hold the pen- Ladder... Hold the ladder... >.> <.<

[knox]

Bloody hell you guys are excitable! /Australian accent (how do you type an accent??) Also a wall is forming…

This is not the posting of someone who honestly thinks I’m scum.
1. Why would you worry about a hammer-happy person coming along if you think I’m scum? That would be Pro-Town?
2. Why is Page 3 ‘too early’ for a L-1 vote? I caught iStark at post 10 or so in Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mafia. It did take 5 pages to lynch him but there is not reason to say at all it’s ‘too early’.
This post is from the perspective of scum who knows if I was quickhammered it would not be a scum flip.
UNVOTE: Vijay
VOTE: Knox

Seriously? Just because that’s not how you play the game doesn’t mean that it’s wrong. How is ending the day on page 3 helpful to the town? Some of the best scum slips/finds can be found in the first day at later stages of the game, the more content the better.

I also noticed that the town lost in Buffy the Vampire Slayer after two quick lynches. YOU might have had a good read on the game but kept them to yourself and as strong/loud players often do you were NK. Leaving the rest of the town in a weak position, especially the replacements. I think this is a very poor point for your argument.

Or it could be from the perspective of someone who wants the day to last longer than two minutes with only three players posting.

Oh look, OMGUS!

^

How again is ‘Order of Confirmation’ in any way a real game reason? I’d like you explain that.

It was considered a tell when I used to play mafia, people would often say the last person to confirm was scummy for the reasons you stated. That fact that you went out of your way to check player activity and that you pushed this information like a real vote. It didn’t read as a lulz giggles vote.

If he had seen an actual scum slip he would have posted I immediately instead of saying “Oh, I saw one. Town points if you can point it out”.

As to what pressure – my vote and calling him out of course. What more do you think I needed at that early stage to get reactions?

Or he could have left it hanging to test your reaction? Is it your line of thinking or the highway?

If anyone is reacting to pressure it would be you.

Are you not reading the game? Benmage asked me for instances (like A Feast of Crows Mafia, where I was scum) where I started the game with the ‘last to confirm’ RVS vote. Here I responded with the one game I found (Open 320) where I was scum like Feast of Crows.

I missed the connection to #10 where Benmage mentioned affc and asked for more. Thinking you were mentioning Open 320 as the only one, saying you were scum there also. To me it read like you were scum in this game and in 320 also. Which is why I was suspicious, I see now where I got confused.

But it is interesting that you have only ever used that method of opening a game as scum.

You know who doesn’t like people calling themselves Town? Scum.

You know who likes calling themselves town? Scum.

Nope .

Still? Really?

Yeah, like I've ever been frightened of you Fate.

Want to go 1v1 again? I'll do that if you like.

Especially since you are doing nothing but fluffing but are able to pop up 5 minutes after my post to do this. Actively watching the thread but not posting scum-hunting? Why is that?

This post is massive fluff and what is this 1v1 pissing contest you keep bringing up? Fate is already voting you.

Lulz, no. I can’t wait for you to get to a computer to show me ‘stuff’ later though. I eagerly await your insight.

You expect other players to claim at L-1, why won’t you? And before you jump down my throat as to why I’m not voting you, I want to hear your claim. Preferably soon.

Also...Korlash u so funnai!

[vijay2vasandani]

HEY KORLASH I'M FUNNIER THAN YOU.

what did the window say to the frog? No? Nothing? Uhh.. shit. Shut up Korlash ((

Anyway, I like 125. It sums up my feelings quite well.

[iStark]

If MoI claims bomb or something I don't mind hammering.. I'm waaayyy out of my league here. Although idk if he's actually going to do that now.

@MoI: regarding that post where you said I was posting as if you were town, you deliberately misinterpretted it. I posted that with the mindset of you being a better player, thus causing the mistakes you made to be deliberate and scummy instead of just newbie-ness.

No, actually me hammering could be better choice if he is indeed lynch bomb.

I've contributed almost nothing here and oddly enough I prefer dying then getting replaced.

@MoI, I'm stating intent to hammer.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I also read MGS (prior to replacing in) And feel free to both PM Faraday. But I had pegged Fate as scum in MGS. His play is different here. I read him as much more genuinely town. So I have him as town. He can buddy up to me all he wants. I'm not going to disregard him completely. But I've been really good at reading him of late. And he's bleeding town.

Oh you’ve gotten good at reading Fate? I’d like to see the links to all the completed games where Town-Benmage has read Town-Fate correctly. They should all post-date Stars Aligned 3 obviously since you clearly couldn’t read him there.

If your answer is “Well it never has actually occurred in a game” then this I’ll chock up to posturing that may stem from you being partners.

Really, because I remember you using my calling of you out for undermining as an example to call out other scum when you were town. Wasn't the game Supernatural Mafia?

More MoI fallacies.

Please support said rememberance with a link. You ‘remembering’ but not being able to back it up with support does not support your ‘MoI using fallacies’ argument.

Wait... are you saying your vote on Vijay for confirming late, had ZERO substance to it, and was equivalent to the sky is blue vote xxx.... Because late confirmation is an old scumtell.

Why do you insist on asking questions to which the answer is obvious? Of course it is an RVS chuckle vote. What moron uses a confirmination period of 24 hours as ‘evidence’ of scum behavior?

1. Deflection check.
2. AtE check.
3. Zang tell again. That was used in AFFC too by you as scum. Tsk tsk MoI you've been better...uhh...CHECK.

1. Pointing out scummy behavior isn’t deflection. It’s scum-hunting. Why are you so invested in buzzword bingo Benmage?
2. AtE? Do you know what AtE is? It’s calling yourself Town with no reason why. Much like you do in your ‘I’m being Undermined’ arguments. Calling out a scum-motivated play is not AtE. More buzzword bingo and not even used correctly to boot. Terrible argument Benmage.
3. And I can show you tons of games where I use it as Town. Jason’s Dr. Who Mini Theme was one in fact. So here you are trying to ascribe as a scum-tell something I do as both Town and Scum. Again, terrible Ben.

Fluff

Oh so fluff is a scum-tell? Can you link me to any games where Town Benmage has used this tell before? If it is common it shouldn’t be a problem.

3. He refuses to claim when at L-1. I've seen this a bagillion times by scum. Both refusing and stalling.

And here is where you took it one step too far and made your alignment known. Bad move Ben.

Benmage is here trying to assert that it is a ‘common’ scum move to not claim at L-1. Yet he doesn’t provide any links? Why no links Ben?

And furthermore he knows for me it is NOT a scum-tell. There are only two games I’ve EVER refused to claim at L-1.

Ooba’s ASoFAI Large Theme Mafia
Seinfeld Mafia

Both of which I was Town in. And in fact Benmage directly saw that in ooba’s game.

You blew it Ben. You didn’t remember the facts that should have been much more top of mind than Supernatural Mafia. Ooba’s game happened far more recently. Yet you are cherry-picking your ‘recollections’ as opposed to honestly scum-hunting.

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@MoI: regarding that post where you said I was posting as if you were town, you deliberately misinterpretted it. I posted that with the mindset of you being a better player, thus causing the mistakes you made to be deliberate and scummy instead of just newbie-ness.

No, I interpreted it in the only logical manner. Because your assertion that someone as a better player would make that ‘slip’ but a newb would not doesn’t make any sense.

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I think you should go ahead and claim considering V2V has expressed intent to hammer.

Nope. But who are my partners? I’d like your thoughts since you are avoiding commenting on anyone else. Why is that?

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Seriously? Just because that’s not how you play the game doesn’t mean that it’s wrong. How is ending the day on page 3 helpful to the town? Some of the best scum slips/finds can be found in the first day at later stages of the game, the more content the better.

Oh, so you are suggesting the outcome of the day would be bad if you hammered ‘scum’ on page 3? Either you are Town who is too timid with no actual drive of your own or you are scum mining for ‘Town cred’. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you aren't playing poorly in calling you possible scum.

I also noticed that the town lost in Buffy the Vampire Slayer after two quick lynches. YOU might have had a good read on the game but kept them to yourself and as strong/loud players often do you were NK. Leaving the rest of the town in a weak position, especially the replacements. I think this is a very poor point for your argument.

The Town did not lose because they quicklynched scum on Day 1 and Day 2. It’s rather preposterous to even suggest. Scum Camn was also obv at the end of Day 2. Town lost because three of its players were VIs and scum were not. One of whom hammered obv-Town in LYLO because he was ‘annoying’. So your point here is terrible.

It was considered a tell when I used to play mafia, people would often say the last person to confirm was scummy for the reasons you stated. That fact that you went out of your way to check player activity and that you pushed this information like a real vote. It didn’t read as a lulz giggles vote.

Well you probably need to upgrade your reading skills then. As to where you played before? You aren’t there now. This is MS not random.site.org.

Or he could have left it hanging to test your reaction? Is it your line of thinking or the highway?

What reaction test would it be? Reacting to see if someone was stupid enough to buy it? I’d love to see your reasoning as to what possible reactions that would help in scum-hunting it would bring.

You know who likes calling themselves town? Scum.

Oh really? I’d love to see links supporting your position that scum call themselves Town more than Town does. Support your premise!

You expect other players to claim at L-1, why won’t you? And before you jump down my throat as to why I’m not voting you, I want to hear your claim. Preferably soon.

Show your work – please link to where I have asked anyone this game to claim? You keep making statements that you can’t support and it only is strengthening my read that you are scum with Ben / Fate.

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@MoI, I'm stating intent to hammer.

Good for you? I'm clearly not a Bomb since that is a scum role so who hammers isn't relevant.

[iStark]

Implying I don't think you're scum?

[Pizzadudes7]

Post 125 is a great summary, but why are we already at L-1 without someone making a SOLID case. He is acting far different then I have seen him before, but I'm not sure what that means.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Implying I don't think you're scum?

No implying you hammering or not is a moot point in context of the game.

[Yates]

But who are my partners? I’d like your thoughts since you are avoiding commenting on anyone else.

Hard to say this early on but iStark and knox immediately come to mind as suspects for claiming they would vote but not voting you as that would be suspicious as hell. On this point I will agree with you - especially given I haven't seen either present a case. Threat to vote is not the same as an actual vote and jumping on an easy wagon is certainly not a Town tell. I'd obviously cut iStark a little slack as "intent to hammer" isn't suspicious as long as you are willing to follow through on it. I'd also take a close look at Fate and Benmage based solely on distancing. Clearly we need to see a flip and more content to determine how scummy everyone actually is.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hard to say this early on but iStark and knox immediately come to mind as suspects for claiming they would vote but not voting you as that would be suspicious as hell. On this point I will agree with you - especially given I haven't seen either present a case. Threat to vote is not the same as an actual vote and jumping on an easy wagon is certainly not a Town tell. I'd obviously cut iStark a little slack as "intent to hammer" isn't suspicious as long as you are willing to follow through on it. I'd also take a close look at Fate and Benmage based solely on distancing. Clearly we need to see a flip and more content to determine how scummy everyone actually is.

Um whut? Your original issue with me was that I called out Knox's "Hey I'd put you at L-1 but it's early" play as scummy. Now you agree with it?

Does ... not ... compute!

[vijay2vasandani]

Hard to say this early on but iStark and knox immediately come to mind as suspects for claiming they would vote but not voting you as that would be suspicious as hell. On this point I will agree with you - especially given I haven't seen either present a case. Threat to vote is not the same as an actual vote and jumping on an easy wagon is certainly not a Town tell. I'd obviously cut iStark a little slack as "intent to hammer" isn't suspicious as long as you are willing to follow through on it. I'd also take a close look at Fate and Benmage based solely on distancing. Clearly we need to see a flip and more content to determine how scummy everyone actually is.

Um whut? Your original issue with me was that I called out Knox's "Hey I'd put you at L-1 but it's early" play as scummy. Now you agree with it?

Does ... not ... compute!

I kinda have to agree with MoI on this one.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I kinda have to agree with MoI on this one.

Don't do that ... I'm scum so the things I say shouldn't be considered valid

[vijay2vasandani]

^ if you say so..

Not but really, I had Yates as town before that, which is why it was a matter of me having to agree with you.

[Korlash]

HEY KORLASH I'M FUNNIER THAN YOU.

what did the window say to the frog? No? Nothing? Uhh.. shit. Shut up Korlash.

I do not refute that sir, you are one funny monkey. Oh oh, but a window once talked to me. it asked me for some aspirin because it was in pane. =DDD

Hey Yates, can you answer this:

You scum slipped, dude, and you are reaching for straws in a way that is not common for what I have seen of you.

Where did he scum slip again?

Kinda waiting on you here...

In other news, MOI seems to be making the most sense. If I weren't me I might sheep him and see where it goes...

[knox]

Oh, so you are suggesting the outcome of the day would be bad if you hammered ‘scum’ on page 3? Either you are Town who is too timid with no actual drive of your own or you are scum mining for ‘Town cred’. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you aren't playing poorly in calling you possible scum.

I’m saying the outcome of the game would be better if we nailed scum on page 20. There would be more to work with the next day and for the rest of the game. Are you really saying more information is a bad thing? It is a very short sighted tactic.

The Town did not lose because they quicklynched scum on Day 1 and Day 2. It’s rather preposterous to even suggest. Scum Camn was also obv at the end of Day 2. Town lost because three of its players were VIs and scum were not. One of whom hammered obv-Town in LYLO because he was ‘annoying’. So your point here is terrible.

The town lost. It is not an individual game and you can’t pick and choose your team mates. You can blame incompetent town all you want but you still lost and the quick lynches were a factor in that.

Well you probably need to upgrade your reading skills then. As to where you played before? You aren’t there now. This is MS not random.site.org.

Yeah it was on MS. Sure it’s out-dated but you used the reason yourself as a ‘chuckle’ vote so I don’t see how you can jump on me for picking up on you using it and being honest with my knowledge of the concept.

What reaction test would it be? Reacting to see if someone was stupid enough to buy it? I’d love to see your reasoning as to what possible reactions that would help in scum-hunting it would bring.

How about your reaction to it? I’m not saying it was a good test but it did make people take pause.

Oh really? I’d love to see links supporting your position that scum call themselves Town more than Town does. Support your premise!

I brought it up more so because the post in context looked forced and awkward and there was no need to bring it up. You were avoiding answering a question with a ‘der I’m town’. I never said scum claim they are town more than town. I’m just replying to you in the same manner that you did to me. Maybe I should have asked you to support your premise.

Show your work – please link to where I have asked anyone this game to claim? You keep making statements that you can’t support and it only is strengthening my read that you are scum with Ben / Fate.

Has anyone else in this game been at L-1? Well then that point was completely useless and taken out of context. I was referring to in other games. The only game I’ve read with you in it was Buffy which I skimmed but in that you expected iStark to claim when he was at L-1. So my question still stands.

On a side note do you always insult people when they don’t agree with you? (Not offended just curious )

[Benmage]

God this is scum MoI to a "T" bury everything in a wall.

He's a good player. You aren't going to just catch a good player going 'I'm scum you got me '.

So much mud from him I can't stand it. Some ridiculous assertions gosh. Ill go into deeper detail when not on a phone.

Alot of it will end with me saying A and him saying B.

But quickly, MoI, my point on slow claiming is scum in general not in reference to you.

And if you want to use Oobas game, VEZO WAS SXUM THERE AND REFUSED TO CLAIM.

[Benmage]

Korlash, your top 3 scum reads please.

[iStark]

Implying I don't think you're scum?

No implying you hammering or not is a moot point in context of the game.

Not really, if I think you're scum. You're not playing your usual town meta in this game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

But quickly, MoI, my point on slow claiming is scum in general not in reference to you.

And if you want to use Oobas game, VEZO WAS SXUM THERE AND REFUSED TO CLAIM.

That's right try to dodge the point.

YOU DIRECTLY SAW TOWN-MOI REFUSE TO CLAIM.

But now you are trying to say it's a scum-play for me by linking it to OTHER players. Terrible logic right there. But you are scum so of course you will keep hammering on it via Appeal to Repetition.