D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Anxiety still continues to basically coast through the game. Prob-scum.

Also Iec so totally is also coasting scum.

I’m done dealing with Wrath. His love of circular questioning is more than I give a care about. Just remember my read on him is dumb-Town not scum.

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@MOI-The only time I remember playing with SK he was town and pretty active. (190 posts in a day phase!!!)

And every game I’ve played with Sleepy he’s been a non-content providing slug and Town each time IRIC.

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Magna is much more petulant this game than he was in MST3k. I've got this voice in my head saying that he may well be scum.

Oh so being petualant is a scum-tell?

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so let's look at Ooba's death flavor...falling down a hole. So what you are proposing is that there is only a single scum group and Shadow (as SK Boba Fett) "pushed Ooba into a hole."

Yup, and it’s like the hole is the Sarlaac Pit from Return of the Jedi …

But no that makes no sense. Furthermore - what other 'Hole' makes any sense at all? Is it Jabba's Rancor pit? In that case shouldn't you be wanting to hang Shotgun. I'm very curious what other 'hole' makes sense as a kill flavor for a player.

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Oh, I'm already voting for him. SOrry!

Why would you be sorry for voting someone you thougth was scum.

For the record – your fake VI play is wearing thin. I’ve done an ego-search on you. It doesn’t hold up. Trolling should be confined to F62.

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Quite a blatant mischaracterization of my case. You must have done it on purpose since you proceeded to respond to my points.

What is there to respond to on this? You are basically saying “He’s mischaracterizing my case” which is more buzzword Bingo.

Did you not only suddenly take an interest in voting me and making said case AFTER I called you lurking scum? Yes or no? In fact you started out today crowing about your ‘brilliant read’ on ooba and how you should be sheeped. That’s classic “Town Cred Grab” from scum who bussed / distanced their partner.

So we have at best, a lie from you about your intentions in asking me about ooba's town meta. By your own words, you thought he was town at the time you asked me if I had played with him before. Further, your explicit use of "town ooba" instead of "Scum ooba" reinforces my belief that you are lying now.

I’m glad you put this on record. Once I eventually flip your “He’s lying about motivation” gets blown up and your reasoning will come under proper scrutiny.

But let’s address the your points – That I am ‘lying’ because I asked you a question while not having a scum read on ooba. Is it your suggestion that I can’t scum-hunt players independent of my read on other players? If the answer is No then how does my read on ooba matter to my trying to determine what I think about your slot? In fact a Town read on ooba (which I didn’t have by that point) would strengthen my reasoning for questioning you about your hunting.

My assertion is that none of your reads on ooba were genuine. You are ooba's scumbuddy, and gave meta reads on ooba while avoiding addressing the actual content of his posts. Your "read" of ooba changed as was convenient.

Oh how did my read change when it was ‘convienant’ if I am his scum-buddy? Are you suggesting I would know, as ooba’s scum-buddy, that he was about to be Nightkilled?

1. You're right in a way, it's hard to be proven wrong since you went the gamut of scum-town-null on ooba, all based on meta. I would call that being wrong, if you were town. Since you're scum, I'll just call it opportunistic.

Pure rhetoric. I’ll still be interested in how you frame it as opportunistic.

2. Instead of quoting ooba's reads, and noting what you know about his meta, you went the extra step of spelling it out for us while conveniently avoiding drawing attention to the fact that you should be a suspect as well. It's comically stupid that you thought it would go unnoticed.

This is so stupid I can’t even.

Are you seriously suggesting that hypo-zTown MoI should have pointed himself out a suspect despite suggesting he is Town? Is that your premise here?

Please defend how any alignment (and mine is Town) should justify listing themselves on a suspect list when they MUST be approaching the game from the standpoint (true or not) that they are Town. Town never includes themselves in a list of suspects as they KNOW THEIR OWN ALIGNMENT. Derp.

Can you feel that, Magna? I'm voting you sooo hard right now.

I’m glad … it will make your push look even worse when you are throwing down pointless fluff rhetoric like this!

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[Slandaar]

Dear Magna

Thank you for your concern, but, you need not fret any longer I do, indeed, have a brain! I took your advice and viewed your wiki page however things were so confusing in this new world, I fear you have deceived me! there were no beautiful blue links for me to follow just numbers and names. As you well know I am not very good at finding game threads, it took me 4 days to find this one, to find a game I was not a part of could take me years!

Kindly provide the links in your next reply.

Many thanks
Slandaar

[MagnaofIllusion]

No.

[Kdub]

Sorry for my lack of activity, I am traveling at the moment and my schedule is a bit uneven. I will try to post something tonight.

[Shmugen]

Being petulant is not a scumtell, Magna, but it is quite different than the town Magna I know.

[drmyshotgun]

Hey, guys I got a new avatar.

[Shmugen]

My 'I wish we could force replace this guy' argument still stands. If we get close to deadline, Dr is a decent compromise lynch.

[drmyshotgun]

I'm willing to hammer myself if you guys choose me as a lynch. I'd not prefer it, but if that's town's decision.
But Scums are: Nexus, Magna, maybe Kdub.

[hasdgfas]

I'm willing to hammer myself if you guys choose me as a lynch. I'd not prefer it, but if that's town's decision.

Oh, so you're scum. Got it.

[BBmolla]

Cow's probably scum.

[drmyshotgun]

I dunno why I'm getting suspected. I've done nothing wrong. Midnight Sorrow was like confirmed Town?
I'm not scum. Let's lynch Magna. Cuz he's scum. I know it.

[splitfarvle]

Quite a blatant mischaracterization of my case. You must have done it on purpose since you proceeded to respond to my points.

What is there to respond to on this? You are basically saying “He’s mischaracterizing my case” which is more buzzword Bingo.

You mean like the way you screamed OMGUS at my case before you then addresed it? Oh wait, they're not the same at all. You were/are mischaracterizing my case, and it is blatantly obvious. BTW nice 180 on deciding to address my points. What happened to this?:

Oh look, a bunch of "No, U" and "YUZ IS SKUMZ" rhetoric in reply to that case.

Did you not only suddenly take an interest in voting me and making said case AFTER I called you lurking scum? Yes or no? In fact you started out today crowing about your ‘brilliant read’ on ooba and how you should be sheeped. That’s classic “Town Cred Grab” from scum who bussed / distanced their partner.

I was looking into links to ooba, and it was a happy coincidence that you provided your lazy, easily debunked case on me prior to reporting my findings.

So we have at best, a lie from you about your intentions in asking me about ooba's town meta. By your own words, you thought he was town at the time you asked me if I had played with him before. Further, your explicit use of "town ooba" instead of "Scum ooba" reinforces my belief that you are lying now.

I’m glad you put this on record. Once I eventually flip your “He’s lying about motivation” gets blown up and your reasoning will come under proper scrutiny.

But let’s address the your points – That I am ‘lying’ because I asked you a question while not having a scum read on ooba. Is it your suggestion that I can’t scum-hunt players independent of my read on other players? If the answer is No then how does my read on ooba matter to my trying to determine what I think about your slot? In fact a Town read on ooba (which I didn’t have by that point) would strengthen my reasoning for questioning you about your hunting.

You've lied in your response:

It seems to me that MoI was implying that he suddenly thought ooba was town because of meta reasons after thinking he was scum for meta reasons.

Or the correct interpretation is that I was questioning to see if you had played with ooba before. Since if you had any experience with both Town and Scum ooba you would know easily what to look for.

You clearly were implying you thought ooba was town at the point you questioned me about playing with him before. In your very next post, you downgraded ooba from town to null.

My assertion is that none of your reads on ooba were genuine. You are ooba's scumbuddy, and gave meta reads on ooba while avoiding addressing the actual content of his posts. Your "read" of ooba changed as was convenient.

Oh how did my read change when it was ‘convienant’ if I am his scum-buddy? Are you suggesting I would know, as ooba’s scum-buddy, that he was about to be Nightkilled?

What? That's not what i'm saying at all. When ooba didn't post, you called him scum. When he did, you "thought" he was town and didn't press him at all about your supposed meta read. When I brought up my case, you conveniently downgraded him to null. I.E. opportunistic

2. Instead of quoting ooba's reads, and noting what you know about his meta, you went the extra step of spelling it out for us while conveniently avoiding drawing attention to the fact that you should be a suspect as well. It's comically stupid that you thought it would go unnoticed.

This is so stupid I can’t even.

Are you seriously suggesting that hypo-zTown MoI should have pointed himself out a suspect despite suggesting he is Town? Is that your premise here?

Please defend how any alignment (and mine is Town) should justify listing themselves on a suspect list when they MUST be approaching the game from the standpoint (true or not) that they are Town. Town never includes themselves in a list of suspects as they KNOW THEIR OWN ALIGNMENT. Derp.

You seem like a smart player, I simply refuse to believe that you are failing to grasp my point. You're defending in a way you probably hope will cause others to disreguard my case. Once more, as simple as I can make it:
1. ooba flips, you quote his reads post.
2. You note that you believe ooba's scum meta is to defend his scumbuddies.
3. You list those ooba thought was town, while conveniently failing to mention he thought you were town.
Step three is completely unneccessary if you are town. Provide the info, yes, but trying to lead the town into the conclusion you'd prefer them to have? Scummy.

Can you feel that, Magna? I'm voting you sooo hard right now.

I’m glad … it will make your push look even worse when you are throwing down pointless fluff rhetoric like this!

Again with the dismissal of my case. Let the town decide if it's pointless fluff or if it has merit. Attempting to frame my case as nothing makes you look even scummier.

[splitfarvle]

And Magna, what's your case on me again?

Just want the town to know why you're compelled to leave your vote on me when you could be voting for someone who has a decent case on them.

What do you think about ShadowDancer's possible partners Cow and BB?

[splitfarvle]

TL;DR

Cow and BB are SD's partners because he defends their slots. By contrast, he attacks two confirmed town in Pere and Slan.

Do you think that scum are more likely to defend their partners? I think the opposite. If they know someone isn't part of their scumteam, they'll try to defend them for townpoints when they flip town.

Your scenario is the opposite of what happened. SD attacked two confirmed town. I'm willing to believe that he defended his buddies and am willing to lynch you and BB.

[drmyshotgun]

Scum: Magna, Wrath, Nexus, hasdgfas, maybe even Slandaar (maybe he's role has another side to it. y'know, perhaps when enough days pass, he might grow up to be darth vader)

[Kdub]

both those post show the same thing: BBmolla reconsidering a scumread. They give off a vibe of someone trying to figure out alighnments rather than furthering an agenda.

Randomly switching reads with no stated reasoning is not what I would describe as "trying to figure out alignment".

Hi. Blatant active lurking here.

What's the consensus on drmyshottyizsik in this game? He makes my brain hurt.

I will be back with actual scumhunting tomorrow. Fo sho.

Hi Nexus, it's tomorrow and we're still waiting. And if you're "active lurking", that implies you're following the game and just not posting. Why not?

Discussion about multiball possibilities are a waste of time, ESPECIALLY kill flavor with Boba Fett. I don't see any point in searching for slips until we know for sure what scum composition we're up against.

This is scummy. Analyzing kill flavors can sometimes be risky, but it's a legitimate tactic and there is potentially information to be gained there. Why would you want people to not even discuss it? Maybe we come to the conclusion that there are too many uncertainties at this point to conclude anything. At least we thought about it instead of ignoring it.

TL;DR

Cow and BB are SD's partners because he defends their slots. By contrast, he attacks two confirmed town in Pere and Slan.

Do you think that scum are more likely to defend their partners? I think the opposite. If they know someone isn't part of their scumteam, they'll try to defend them for townpoints when they flip town.

Your response to split finding links to scum is basically a direct appeal to WIFOM. You're an experienced player, I find this to be a weak response to his case.

[Shmugen]

Discussion about multiball possibilities are a waste of time, ESPECIALLY kill flavor with Boba Fett. I don't see any point in searching for slips until we know for sure what scum composition we're up against.

This is scummy. Analyzing kill flavors can sometimes be risky, but it's a legitimate tactic and there is potentially information to be gained there. Why would you want people to not even discuss it? Maybe we come to the conclusion that there are too many uncertainties at this point to conclude anything. At least we thought about it instead of ignoring it.

Of course there is potentially information to be gained, Kdub. I don't like that people held about a page of discussion on whether or not SD was an SK based on Boba Fett and the kill flavor of 'fell in a hole', especially as it helps feed the trolly fires of drmyshotgun.

[hasdgfas]

TL;DR

Cow and BB are SD's partners because he defends their slots. By contrast, he attacks two confirmed town in Pere and Slan.

Do you think that scum are more likely to defend their partners? I think the opposite. If they know someone isn't part of their scumteam, they'll try to defend them for townpoints when they flip town.

Your response to split finding links to scum is basically a direct appeal to WIFOM. You're an experienced player, I find this to be a weak response to his case.

Pretty much the entirety of trying to link dead scum to people is WIFOM. What am I supposed to say when it's "well, SD defended X and Y, so they're his buddies"? I said that I find it more likely that scum will defend people they know aren't scumbuddies.

TL;DR

Cow and BB are SD's partners because he defends their slots. By contrast, he attacks two confirmed town in Pere and Slan.

Do you think that scum are more likely to defend their partners? I think the opposite. If they know someone isn't part of their scumteam, they'll try to defend them for townpoints when they flip town.

Your scenario is the opposite of what happened. SD attacked two confirmed town. I'm willing to believe that he defended his buddies and am willing to lynch you and BB.

Well yeah, they're not going to defend EVERY non-partner. That's going to lead to no lynches they want, which is terrible. And they're confirmed town NOW. They weren't at the time.

[drmyshotgun]

I'm thinking we should get rid of little Anakin (Slandaar) before he grows up.

[WrathChild]

I'm thinking we should get rid of little Anakin (Slandaar) before he grows up.

I'm thinking you'll get blastered tonight.

[Iecerint]

I'm thinking we should get rid of little Anakin (Slandaar) before he grows up.

This thought had crossed Iec's mind too. However, if ever, Iec thinks this should be considered only a) in the

very

late game and b) when Old Anakin and/or Vader haven't flipped.

[Slandaar]

lol

No.

[Iecerint]

The rhetoric is just as likely to have positive outcomes. In fact, the rhetoric is only harmful to you where:

A) Only Young Anakin exists
B) All other Anakins are scum, and none die

[MagnaofIllusion]

Iec couldn't be more scum.

Hey Iec - is this a Bastard game? Yes or No?

If your answer is 'No' the chances of the Mod explicitly telling us Slandaar is Town and lying to us is exactly 0%.

If your answer is 'Yes' please show your work.

[Iecerint]

It's a DeathNote game. That was the only "work" that went into the calculation.

This is not a thesis worth pursuing until at least D5-D6.