Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[Om of the Nom]

@Darkling_Perhaps: Nope, don't believe you. You're still scum.
Tell me, who is scum and why?

[TheTrollie]

@Trollie But he clearly thought it benefited town by helping to kill off Kass. He even explained that

but kondi started the bloc, not shot...so its not like the bloc was formed to PL kass..also shot did not need the block to get the PL i dont think...and kondi clearly stated that the bloc was just a reaction test, not a mechanism to kill off kass

[MattP]

Sorry Trollie, I have to take a stance on you as scum.

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

yeah i have...i've also seen stupid scummy decisions...like yours

This post is incredibly scummy. It is a baseless attack on kondi. It's an Argument of Repetition since I already said this in a more constructive way and it's also opportunistic piggybacking on a wagon on kondi.

It's basically just a post that get's people to want to vote kondi with no constructive reasoning.

[Om of the Nom]

MattP is town.

[TheTrollie]

I see that you might be confused we are buddying up so quickly but we just know each other very well and want to use that to our (Town's) advantage.

its great that you have friends in the game...but there is no way for you to know that none of your friends are scum. The

"our"

you speak of DOES NOT EQUAL TOWN until you prove yourself town...i dont like what i'm getting from you in this post. affirming that "our" is town...the only people with an "our" right now are the scum...

I assume you haven't been in this site long time (neither have I, as a matter of fact). Wish you won't so hastily discard an actual game strategy.
Mattp gave an example of voting block working very well.

I dont care if its an actual game strategy...i disagree with its utility...

First move in the center of tic-tac-toe is an actual game strategy…I don’t do it…I think its dumb

You seem pretty negative about this new idea to you. Presenting all sorts of bad cases and horrible possibilities. Are you scum trying to sabotage this Block?

According to kondi there was nothing to sabotage…was this block just a reaction test or not…kondi says it is…this post makes it seem like u think there is some utility to it.

right...ok...but what im asking is if you are acting scummy, and someone calls you out...why are they likely scum? that makes ZERO sense to me

I don't think you've completely accepted what Kondi pulled there and yet you are weakening your tone.
Did you feel empowered when you were voting Kondi while Chrimi and Matt had already placed their votes on him?

i was not weakening my tone...i wanted to know why calling scummy things scummy is wrong...i still dont think i got an answer...


no, no vote...

I don't get your sentence: "It was not even your reaction test so even if Kondi is town doesnt mean you are too"

This post is incredibly scummy. It is a baseless attack on kondi. It's an Argument of Repetition since I already said this in a more constructive way and it's also opportunistic piggybacking on a wagon on kondi.

It's basically just a post that get's people to want to vote kondi with no constructive reasoning.

oh come on....kondi was being snarky so i was snarky back...

I gave very well warranted reasons before that as to

why

I felt that this was a stupid, scummy decision rather than a reaction test:

Alright, here's how this shit will go down.

I haven't tried this yet, but we're gonna go voting block style. Members will be added by selection and taken away if suspected by anyone else in the voting block.

ORIGINAL MEMBERS
kondi2424
drmyshotgun
OmNom
vijay
Psyche

Sound good?

seems pretty damn certain about this idea

Then pressure is put on him by MattP, dark, and Morton and all the sudden it was just “bait”

i dont buy that for a fuckin' second

VOTE: kondi2424

There’s my warrant…the post you conveniently quoted was my claim. Stop pretending I never had a reason for my decision.

[MattP]

MattP is town.

Why?

[TheTrollie]

sorry guys....i think i accidentally copied my old posts into the new one as well. heres what the new post is:

This post is incredibly scummy. It is a baseless attack on kondi. It's an Argument of Repetition since I already said this in a more constructive way and it's also opportunistic piggybacking on a wagon on kondi.

It's basically just a post that get's people to want to vote kondi with no constructive reasoning.

oh come on....kondi was being snarky so i was snarky back...

I gave very well warranted reasons before that as to

why

I felt that this was a stupid, scummy decision rather than a reaction test:

Alright, here's how this shit will go down.

I haven't tried this yet, but we're gonna go voting block style. Members will be added by selection and taken away if suspected by anyone else in the voting block.

ORIGINAL MEMBERS
kondi2424
drmyshotgun
OmNom
vijay
Psyche

Sound good?

seems pretty damn certain about this idea

Then pressure is put on him by MattP, dark, and Morton and all the sudden it was just “bait”

i dont buy that for a fuckin' second

VOTE: kondi2424

There’s my warrant…the post you conveniently quoted was my claim. Stop pretending I never had a reason for my decision.

[Om of the Nom]

@MattP: Why not?
To me you sound like you believe your reads, plus my gut has been calling you town this whole time.

[MattP]

Why don't you like scum accusations?

I missed this. I like scum accusations that serve certain purposes. Examples: Pushes on players, intelligent accusations, etc.

I don't like scum accusations that are opportunistic or questionable.

p-edit: I just wanted an explanation from you Om.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

@Nom T.T Right now, I actually have no clue who scum is. There are way too many players who are playing it quiet and I get the feeling at least one of them is hiding as scum. But until we actually put pressure on them we can't get them to pop. I'm actually a bit suspicious of Psyche because he's usually more active but again I have nothing conclusive, nothing to put a vote on besides Kass. Really, I think it's really early in the game.

@Trollie I don't get your point with who started what. Shotty didn't start the vote block but he stated he thought the vote block was formed to help kill Kass, because several of the members were talking about killing Kass in the sign-up thread. And just because he didn't NEED the block to kill Kass doesn't mean it wouldn't have helped. He was being optimistic about what he thought the original intention was. I mean I feel like you're ignoring his argument to keep fighting him for some random reason.

[Om of the Nom]

Does anyone notice how Kass is browsing this forum and not posting?

C'mon Kass, be useful for once.

PEDIT: Nope, try again. I don't care what stage the game is in right now. You have reads, so state them.

[TheTrollie]

I mean I feel like you're ignoring his argument to keep fighting him for some random reason.

i think he is scum...thats my reason...not random.

And i am not ignoring his argument...he did not say in that quote i keep posting that the bloc would "help lynch kass." that was his reason after i started to apply pressure. In the original post he just said that it would help him and his "town" friends

[MattP]

I think we should get this Kass lynch out of the way so that we don't regret it later in the game. This is the last time I'll bring it up, but c'mon, scum will no doubt bring him to endgame.

[Om of the Nom]

You say people aren't being active, and that we need to put pressure on the lurkers.
But where is your vote? Where is your "pressure" on them? Don't complain about not having any reads unless you are trying to get them.

PEDIT: I still support the Kass PL.

[Om of the Nom]

BTW, the top part of the above post was directed at DP.

[Chrimi]

Haven't read past page 3 or so, but kondi, saying an idea is stupid and pointing out my opinions is scummy now?

I did not know this.

[Chrimi]

I'm a barrel of super ultra great delicious wonderful awesome fun.

That's the problem: The barrel is titanium and unopenable.

[Om of the Nom]

Only if you suck :3

[Chrimi]

Also: If you act scummy, and somebody attacks you and says that it's scummy, that doesn't make them scummy

And kondi, all I remember from our previous game is that I hated you with a passion.

Nothing personal, I hate most people with a passion.

[Chrimi]

And lol

drmyshotgun and Om <3

[MattP]

So what do you have to say that's game-related, chrimi?

[Chrimi]

Nothing, my previous points that I had made were never defused with anything but "It was a reaction test and because you reacted by voting something scummy you must be scum!"

So you can see why there's nothing to really say besides keep my vote on.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Hokay, if you want me to codify things I will. I just don't think it helps town one way or another. And I am putting pressure on Kass first and foremost, he's the worst of the lurkers because he's also a potential useless troll.

Town

Shotty: Ugh, I don't know why I'm trusting him this early. I just like his posts, and he seems to be generally working toward the same goals I am which plants him firmly in town. His scum hunting isn't bad. I was meaning to add an @Shotty to that long post a page back but I didn't get around to it. He's probably being overzealous of Trollie but he's not the only one, Trollie isn't doing himself any favors
Darkling: Scum-hunting, doing as best I can
MattP: Truthfully I like his Trollie suspicion too, even if I prompted it. He reminds me of myself trying to prove to Nom I'm town.

Null

Trollie: Part of me thinks he's trying to do a good job scumhunting and just failing miserably. I just don't trust myself to put him on Town because the other part of me thinks he's pulling the wool over my eyes. I've been questioning him to try to see which side of the fence he'll fall on.
Nom: I'm tempted to move you Town because you're at least looking for scum, but you haven't posted a whole lot of meaningful content yourself. Can I get your scumreads too?
Chrimi: I'm suspicious of him because he also hadn't said much but he's said more than the lurkers just now. Reminds me of my other game with him
Venmar: He seems more Town to me but his logic hasn't made any leaps or bounds. I was tempted to move him up just for the vibe but looking back he's really just put a tad bit of suspicion on Kondi and then agreed with the flip.
BK: Has only really gone for a Kass lynch, his Kondi logic is pretty basic
Kondi: As I said earlier, so far he hasn't done anything to tip the scales. I do believe he was reaction hunting, but I don't think he did that good of a job of it, so I can't tell which side he was on. I still wanna know what info he got.

Scum

Kassadin: Lurking, potential troll, hasn't posted any new nonsense but I bet he will
Vijay: Lurker
Psyche: Lurker, the only game I've seen him in he was really active
Morton: I don't like how Kondi said "Smart people agree with me" and Morton said "I'm smart!" Not a lot of substantial info otherwise

Note: None of these are concrete and resolute. The people in the Scum are not 'confirmed' scum to me any more than shotty and MattP are 'confirmed' to be on the side of good. These are generally gut-reactions.

[MattP]

What do you think of the cases on Darkling and Trollie Nom?

[Chrimi]

Chrimi: I'm suspicious of him because he also hadn't said much but he's said more than the lurkers just now. Reminds me of my other game with him

The one that we were masons together?

So my meta is reading town and so you're suspicious of me, is that how it is?