Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[TheTrollie]

We don't even have to be all town. If we have one scum, the conflicting interest within the group makes it even more obvious, allowing us to catch scum. Why do you think it's easy to catch scum in neighbourhoods? Furthermore, even if there is one scum, he has to work with us, adding his weight to our points which will be 80% town-sided anyway.

good point actually. one reason it might be bad though is if kondi is scum and has his two scum buddies in there...then scum gets 5 votes for the price of 3

[Om of the Nom]

Mah scumreads are Dark, Morton and Chrimi.

Also don't worry, I've got reading Psyche covered.

[MattP]

@ 191:
1. Nobody (not even scum) is stupid enough to buddy for no reason. Come on.
2. Um shitty reasons? Anybody can say gut and they'll get away with it. There is no "shitty reason" for a townread, unless it's something like "he isn't scum".
3. Well it wasnt a logical argumentive point. My accusation was that questioning townreads on yourself is scummy. You say scumreads and townreads must be explained. Don't see the connection.

Ah okay.
VOTE: Dark

Anybody who wants in the bloc can vote with us. But scumreads of people in the thing can't join. So sorry Matt. OOTN, who are your scumreads? We're taking the first three, with special preference to kondi, shotgun and Psyche. Reasons being that I can read those guys like a book a fair amount of the time, so finding the scum among us should be easy. Well everybody except for Psyche anyway.

1) Generalization = moot point
2) Once again you're making a generalization that everyone will say something unscummy. Clearly you don't understand scumslips
3) I firmly believe that all reads should be explained. You can disagree but I am sticking to my stance. And guess what? Next time you say someone is town I'll be the first person asking you why. Also (and I wasn't thinking this when I asked for elaboration but I think it's an interesting logical progression), if I know that someone is going to ask someone to elaborate a town read on me why wouldn't I do it myself?

I don't want to be in your bloc. The only player I have a townread on right now is you and you don't trust me so there is no point for me to be involved in a bloc.

[MattP]

We don't even have to be all town. If we have one scum, the conflicting interest within the group makes it even more obvious, allowing us to catch scum. Why do you think it's easy to catch scum in neighbourhoods? Furthermore, even if there is one scum, he has to work with us, adding his weight to our points which will be 80% town-sided anyway.

good point actually. one reason it might be bad though is if kondi is scum and has his two scum buddies in there...then scum gets 5 votes for the price of 3

I highly doubt kondi would take that gambit. If he did, once 2 of them were found out the third would be obvious.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

Darkling (or whoever called me scum for lurking) isn't very good at this game.

To clarify: Scum don't support town. Lurkers don't support town. Therefore Lurkers are more likely to be scum. Which is the only reason I put lurkers in my scum reads AFTER I said I hadn't figured out who scum are. Truthfully I didn't want to place my reads because I don't have any, but I was responding to pressure to help prove what side I am on.

We don't even have to be all town. If we have one scum, the conflicting interest within the group makes it even more obvious, allowing us to catch scum. Why do you think it's easy to catch scum in neighbourhoods? Furthermore, even if there is one scum, he has to work with us, adding his weight to our points which will be 80% town-sided anyway.

No. If you have one scum he'll just vote with you and hide in the voting block, making it harder to catch him, not easier. The voting block is a bad idea until you actually have townreads.

BTW, to add to my Dark case, notice how he needed to be pushed before he was able to list all his reads? And when he finally did list them, his main scumreads were lurkers.

And how exactly is that scummy?

[MattP]

Read on Trollie:

Comes in very confused asking a lot of questions about what voting blocs are. Seems to be a clueless newbie.

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

yeah i have...i've also seen stupid scummy decisions...like yours

+scumpoints for reasons I already explained

+townpoints for his pressure on dr and not backing down when people started labeling him scum. Seemes like persistent attempt at scumhunting.

yes...im a bit confused by whats been going on with the bloc thing so im not ready to vote

+scumpoints

This is a lie. You were not confused enough to unvote an say that there are "bigger scum out there on your list (paraphrased)" so if there are bigger scum then you should have had an idea of who to vote. I don't think it's scummy that you didn't automatially redirect your vote, I think your excuse is dishonest and that's what's scummy.

p-edit: now that mattp voted kassadin...should i do it too? i guess so, right shot?

Null. Purely emotional. Can't derive anything from it, I disagree with you about this dr, it's not a scumtell.

i never said i dont want policy lynches...i said i needed someone to explain to me why they benefited town...all i am asking for are

explanations

here for why these strats work, because my intuition tells me otherwise...i am not trying to discourage anyone from doing anything (thats why i dont like this bloc thing, since i think it can discourage people from thinking for themselves)

Null. Seems genuine, especially looking back at his confusion about the voting bloc. He probably is this confused and just requires clarification

oh come on....kondi was being snarky so i was snarky back...

+scumpoints

Kondi was not being snarky first of all; show me this snarkiness. Second, nothing merits propaganda or argument of repetition.

Overall: scum-leaning

Vote: TheTrollie

This isn't personal Trollie, just a game. Your my top scumread.

[MattP]

I'm not going to quote posts by darkling. However, here is my read:

His reads are useless. It's a lot of fluff. It seems like he is trying to seem helpful. I was not moved/swayed by anything he has said this game. Also it reads overzealous scum that wants to appear helpful since there was no reason at that point of the game that one should feel compelled to post their reads in such length like that.

Also, I am against posting reads like that because it basically tells scum who to target.

He is basically trying to seem like he is doing stuff when he is not.

I like his arguments against the voting bloc in his last post, he brings up a good point about scum in the bloc.

He hasn't posted much content besides his reads and his most recent defense. He reads null-scum as well.

I see the cases on both Trollie and Darkling.

Actually, change of plans.

Unvote: Trollie
Vote: Darkling

[BK201]

And of course, you left me out, which means that you don't have all of the town in there.

Yes,

we

left him out....I find Chrimi the most fun player to be in a game with so far.

Explain this.

Meanwhile, VOTE: Kassadin

[BK201]

actually this is much better
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mortontfrh

[Mortontfrh]

Morton's post just then looks terribly scummy. Though it may just be me.

It reads to me like he's saying "Hey look at me, I appear to be confident in Troll being scum. I'm not actually saying much about why he is but I'll say some stuff and make it sound incriminating."
Then he wagon hops.

This Troll wagon needs to die. He's town.

How is pointing out the fact that he's posturing scum hunting not actually saying much about why he's scum?

Morton: I don't like how Kondi said "Smart people agree with me" and Morton said "I'm smart!" Not a lot of substantial info otherwise

Explain this to me, please.

I still support my vote on Trollie.

[Darkling_Perhaps]

I don't understand the quick jump on Kondi for making the voting bloc. It's obviously a bad idea, and I can't fathom scum trying to come out of the gate with such a dumb idea.

People quick to accuse him of scum because of it seem to be a bit opportunistic. The idea was presented before the game had even officially started, so I think it's a bit obscure for anyone to be pouncing on how scummy it is.

This post is what I was talking about, Morton. Kondi had already said the same thing and implied that only dumb people would think he was scum after playing like a dumb scum. This post feels more like a response to that than your own ideas.

[TheTrollie]

trollie or TT please...will post on this later...finals--studying

[MattP]

Mod: VC please

[kondi2424]

I just skimmed through the posts made since last night. Kass is 99% town. As scum, he would not have admitted to skimming the thread.

I'll make a good post later.

[drmyshotgun]

/facepalm.
I sleep, I wake up, we get 5 pages.
Kassadin is giving me Town vibes on this one albeit he's trying more than usual. Perhaps to avoid PL.
That's all I can say now... I might change my vote later...

[kondi2424]

Shotgun, if he were actually trying hard, it would be a scumtell.

[drmyshotgun]

Shotgun, if he were actually trying hard, it would be a scumtell.

That is why I'm sceptical.
Still reading. I cant post now maybe in 5-6 hours.

[BK201]

Lol. Funny how people vote me because i troll so hard oh well
anyhow some points to point out
1st. I dont like Kondi Bloc TOwn read post thing as most people have said
2nd. Drmyshotty's constant jump around people (vote hop) without saying much
3rd. Drmy reaction changes really rapidly wen new content is brought forward
4th. Kondi language careful
5th. I like people who are voting me become of my hardout troll lol

This has got to be my longest post yet

5 lines? That is tryhard for Kass.

atleast i read something 4 once lol
and yes of course iwant town too win
now i say lets kill matt

Whoa, he read something? Yeah freakin' tryharding for Kass.

Time to PL Kass for real. [
unvote][/unvote]
VOTE: KASSADIN

[MattP]

BK, we're not going to get a Kass PL today, just go after scum

[BK201]

I'm replacing out if we don't PL Kass.

[MattP]

Ooooor you can just be smart and tell the host it's either you or him replaced out >.>

[BK201]

People said they would in the sign-up thread, I joined before Kass. I asked him to not be a troll. I'm replacing out if we don't PL him.

[kondi2424]

I'll call that bluff.

VOTE: BK

[BK201]

Where's your notes Kodin?

[BK201]

Why would you even vote me? I said I will REPLACE OUT if he isn't PL'd.