Open 382: Friends and Enemies in MSPaint! (Game Over)

[Rhinox]

That all makes a lot of sense. Let me think on it and if I have some time I'll meta rainbow.

[Rainbowdash]

@Slaandar - You miss the point where I make it obvious im debating calling for a massclaim before you even vote me? That was just a tipping point because if it turned into TvT game was essentially won for scum, and while I was pretty sure you were scum, I was not about to risk the game on it.

@Rhinox - How is starting a pizza wagon when the ETA "wagon" was all RVS a tell? You also apply specifically to me a few things that apply to you (like ignoring Blue).

Really if I get lynched I think im going to be more pissed that everypony thinks im this bad at scum then that I get mislynched. This game would have been a cakewalk if I was scum, and probably would have been a clean sweep since it would mean Kass-Slandaar were town, literally I have not been lynched outside of an odd mechanic game as scum since 2008.

Rhinox basically uses this logic, and then ignores it becaue im scum planning to an endgame (who keeps confirmed town alive?). Kondi as I said I picked out as mason the second I took time to look for them, as well as eliminated Slandaar as mason. Really, im more upset that you think that I am this bad of a player as opposed to anything else. I know im not super strong town with current site meta, but scum im far smarter than that.

@Slandaar - Yes. Alice read as a mason but needed to be in the lynchpool because there were not a huge amount that she made sense with. Also I voted you over ETA because you read more like scum and it would finally get pressure off Alice.

Also yes, im the reason 100% that ETA got lynched when he did. I made the pools, and I made the call that ETA was the right lynch before anypony else, and then yall just sheeped me onto that wagon. You are 100% lying if you think that ETA would have been lynched there without me.

As scum all I needed to do was kick back one day and it was a win, forcing something would have just threatened both of my partners.

[Rainbowdash]

So Rhinox case

1) His way of treating ETA near the end of first day/second day is awkward

Elmo you had just put pizza to L-1. If both of you really felt pizza was scum, a claim wouldn't be as important as your reactions incinuate. But at least you both were active and invested during the game. Elmo at least made it clear that his vote was L-1.

Seems to be giving him a slap on the wrist, but goes back to calling him town.

2) I still dont like his reaction to my rules

Specifically 5 and 6 - I thought of a better idea. If there is a mason claim at L-1, the player who is forced to claim has to name one of their mason partners.

Why would it be a good idea for a mason to be forced to partner claim without having been countered first? You would only need to partner claim if scum made it 1v1, otherwise its useless outting of a partner.

3) How he reacted to massclaim

Blueberry/Kass would be the top 2 obvious, the thrid not so obvious. Probably not haze, so elmo or alice?

Slandaar might actually fit in a Blueberry/Kass/Slan scumteam. Maybe I'm wrong to not include him.

This is Rhinox before I come in and say we need to lynch ETA and before massclaim occurs.

With Alice and Haze Masons, Blueberry/Elmo/Kass is almost for sure the scum team (see #355).

This is after the massclaim. He goes from "maybe ETA" to "vote ETA" as soon as I jump hard on ETA and come out with my pairings. It just seems odd that he moves away from "Blue/Kass" to "ETA". They are likely the first three lynches, but if Rhinox tries to push one of the others ahead of ETA when momentum is swinging that way, he likely gets lynched in return.

I think its rhinox here.

[Slandaar]

Rhinox why have you not replied to this case?

[Slandaar]

Too much fencesitting when you think im gonna vote rainbow

games not won sir

VOTE: Rhinox

[Slandaar]

The case is bad btw

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

but he should have responded

hes scum.

[Rhinox]

If the case is bad its bad whether or not I immediately responded.

I really just can't decide which of you is scum I thought that'd be obvious by now. Now we're back to fencesitting.

Gimme a sec I'll respond to rainbow's case.

[Slandaar]

Too late

Im not moving now

I know you were lurking thinking easy win lolololol

[Rhinox]

Rainbow's case:

1) what was awkward about my treating of ETA? There were IMO 4 bad reactions to the hammer. The part you quoted was about alice and elmo. I thought the other reactions were worse. How is this a case at all?

2) I had initially misunderstood your rules, I explained this in 162. I thought that no matter what 2 masons were going to be outed if there was ever a mason claim. I was thinking that if a scum tried to fake claim mason and couldn't name a partner who would confirm them that we could catch a scum fake claim without counterclaiming at all and not out any masons rather than 2 masons via rule 6. After you explained I sorta got it and let it drop because it was just theory discussion at that point, but I was thinking that my way was still better because due to the mason voting block, it was much less likely that a mason would be run up than a scum who fake claimed mason to out a mason (2 actually if your rules were followed). So that means a mason claim at L-1 was more likely to be a fake claim than a real claim, and that could be confirmed by the claimee failing to name a partner. There would have been risk that it was a real mason and we outed 2 masons for nothing but I think that was offset by the odds being greater it would be a fake claim and catching it without outing any masons. That was my thought process.

3) You're basically saying I'm scum for voting ETA because I would have been scum to not vote ETA. Pure bullshit.

[Rhinox]

Too late

Im not moving now

I know you were lurking thinking easy win lolololol

yeah.

thats basically been your whole beef with me the whole day.

and its still crap.

[Slandaar]

The case is bullshit

But I dont believe for a second you are town who lurked there.

[Rhinox]

I didn't lurk. Rainbow made his case about the time I start thinking of packing up at work and heading home. I don't usually get online at home anymore I do most of my posting at work (don't tell my boss).

I did read the case yesterday, my reaction was literally "fuck that bullshit I'll respond tomorrow"

I made a few more posts yesterday after I read rb's case around 5:00, but they were shorter and a couple GD/Mish mash - my brain was pretty much fried at that point.

you linked to my posts did you actually look at them or what?

then today I just forgot because this game wasn't highlighted in my bookmarks until 1:15 when you posted. it was farther down the list so I just naturally started getting caught up in the games at the top of my bookmarks first.

I was not lurking or ignoring the case.

[Rainbowdash]

unvote

Ok I need to think again with that response from Slandaar which sent off all kind of twitches

[Hoopla]

Day 6, Vote Count #3

With four alive, it takes

3

votes to lynch and

2

votes to no lynch. Deadline is scheduled for 09:00 GMT, May 11th <Countdown>.

Rhinox -

1

(Slandaar)

Not voting -

3

(Alicewondering, Rhinox, Rainbowdash)

No lynch will occur if nobody reaches a majority in the next 24 hours.

[Slandaar]

UNVOTE:

Lets just no lynch

I think rainbows scum again. Sigh. Rhinox lurked, I caught him and then Rainbow decide Rhinox isnt the scum? not making sense.

Im not sure if I can link to one of the posts made, but it was not a one liner it was longer than Rhinox's actual response to the case he made here... thereby showing he could have responded. He did lurk.

[Rhinox]

yeah I know which post you're talking about I think. But yeah, I could have responded I told you I read it and decided I didn't want to respond that night. That doesn't mean I had scummy motivation for not wanting to answer at that particular moment. I made a very long post that took me about an hour to form, and posted at 4:16 on tuesday. Then I closed my browser and finished up work for the day. Around 5 I opened up my browser again while I was finishing up work, and thats when I read rainbow's case a decided I didn't have the energy to respond then. I only made 3 short posts over the next hour that didn't take a lot of effort while I was finishing up work before I left for the night. You can tell from the timestamps yesterday that it took 20 minutes of effort between when I said I was going to respond and when the response came. I didn't have the energy tuesday night to focus on a post that long, after spending a lot of effort posting all day, and trying to finish up work and get home. Thats why I didn't respond that night. Its not like I read the post and thought oooh I'm just gonna not answer that now because.... profit? I don't know I don't get why you think its benefial for me-scum at all to ignore rainbows case.

Whats the point of a no lynch now? Aside from the fact that its likely to happen anyways since alice hasn't been on site in 48hrs, but aren't we just going to be right back here tomorrow? You want another day to make more fencesitting accusations?

[Slandaar]

The point in no lynch is so whichever one of you is the annoying scumbag who left Alice alive can kill her so we can actually move the game forward.

[Rainbowdash]

Rhinox lurked, I caught him and then Rainbow decide Rhinox isnt the scum? not making sense.

This is horrible. You base the lylo decision on "didnt respond fast enough"? In a situation where the swing vote doesnt appear to be overly interested in him?

Nah.

Vote Slandaar

My vote is going to go back here tomorrow if it doesnt end today. Too much somewhat awkward stuff with ETA early, he immeditately goes for the non-scum in the group of lynches post massclaim, and really, at this point I still would rather lose to Rhinox-scum than let Slandaar scum win. Then there is the "put rhinox at L-1" for 'lurking' when he has been leaning to me the entire time, it more smells of scum hoping to get the lynch with Alice popping up for a hammer.

Yep. Thats going to be my final vote.

[Alicewondering]

I don't think Rainbow is actually scum. I wanted to see what happened when I named Rainbow as my suspect, as Rhinox was actually my primary suspect at the time. Rainbow's reaction seems town, and his cases and reasoning seem to come from town.

That all makes a lot of sense. Let me think on it and if I have some time I'll meta rainbow.

This post is not from town.

VOTE: Rhinox

I apologize for not having been on for the last couple of days, but I have strong feelings about Rhinox scum, and I think that Rainbow should join this wagon. If there is no lynch today, please vote Rhinox tomorrow.

[Hoopla]

Day 6, Final Vote Count

With four alive, it takes

3

votes to lynch and

2

votes to no lynch. Deadline is scheduled for 09:00 GMT, May 11th <Countdown>.

Slandaar -

1

(Rainbowdash)

Not voting -

3

(Alicewondering, Rhinox, Slandaar)

Day 6 has ended in no lynch.

[Hoopla]

Alicewondering

has been killed Night 6. She was a

Town Mason

.

Day 7 Begins now.

Day 7, Vote Count #1

With three alive, it takes

2

votes to lynch. Deadline is scheduled for 09:00 GMT, May 21st <Countdown>.

Not voting -

3

(Slandaar, Rhinox, Rainbowdash)

[Slandaar]

I think its rainbow

[Rainbowdash]

Im probably voting Slandaar here in large part because if he is scum I dont want him winning because he has been a complete ass to everypony this game and I really am a bit torn over who last scum is. I would almost rather lose with him instead of lose to him though and am really next to comfortable just making a vote that either is going to let me know its for sure him where I can actually make a case with some confidence or its over.

Going to read this one once more though in the meantime.

[Rainbowdash]

Vote Slandaar

He still feels wrong.

@Slandaar - Why did you accuse Kass of chaining lynches when she said "if alice is town we lynch you next"?

There is enough that makes me confident enough to just throw this down, and when you include the fact that one of my secondary goals in this game is "Slandaar loses if possible" im good with this vote.

[Rhinox]

vote slandaar

I so don't deserve this though