Open 403 - Donner Party (Game Over)

[Glork]

... But I

am

fond of going to night when we're down somebody and that person could be the SK. Argh! Catch-22!

Can't that strategy be easily gamed (especially in an open setup like this) by the SK (and/or Mafia) choosing to no-kill, thereby framing Fritz?

[Shadoweh]

Well it depends on how you define anti-town. In my experience letting yourself get lynched because you're too stubborn to claim is anti-town. People have a habit of doing it anyways though.

Lesse. Glork CES Fritzer Mortonfth townie. Despite the hate they're getting I see Xalxe and Izak as town as well. I have no idea what to do with vijay, it seems like he's just like this? If someone above can tell me why he's X it would be appreciated. I dislike Chimera's posts and I can't remember anything scotmany has said despite reading that he is in fact playing. The other two are nullish void. I don't supose people could work a lynch in these directions instead of people who've been squealing alot? This is how it starts:

##Unvote
##Vote: Chimera

[vijay2vasandani]

Lol yeah actually.

But this is an intent to hammer. Now will you claim?

[izakthegoomba]

No. We have plenty of time. You hammering me would be just as bad as Fritz doing it. If I'm a PR, I'll be blowing the game apart by claiming now.

[vijay2vasandani]

Well why aren't you doing anything else then? This just adds weight to the statement you aren't actively scumhunting. When you get run up your post count goes up but I don't see a genuine attempt at looking for scum.

Basically, you complaining about destroying the game if you claim PR doesn't really help town. Instead of moaning at being at L-1, look for scum and maybe you won't be at L-1.

[vijay2vasandani]

I forgot to say though, I agree with the point in 153. It's just that you haven't been pushing anything else atm, so it's almost like our continued push on you is justified.

[Glork]

No. We have plenty of time. You hammering me would be just as bad as Fritz doing it. If I'm a PR, I'll be blowing the game apart by claiming now.

And if you get hammered for refusing to claim and flip a power role, how does that "blow the game apart" any less?

That said, the fact that you've failed to think this through basically tells us that you're VT or scum. Unfortunately, I'm leaning VT at the moment.

Unvote
Vote: Xalxe

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.6

izakthegoomba

(4) - scotmany12, Cogito Ergo Sum,

Glork, saulres,

Chimera, Mortontfrh

Xalxe

(3) - vijay2vasandani, Fritzler, Glork

Fritzler

(1) - izakthegoomba

Chimera

(1) - Shadoweh

Mortontfrh

(0) -

Shadoweh

Not voting

(3) - Guy_Named_Riggs, Xalxe, saulres


Fritzler is V/LA.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 2 at 1:30 AM GMT (DST). Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2012-06-02 01:30:00)

[Chimera]

I'm trying to keep up but this doesn't want to make sense to me. I'm going to spend some time rereading and rereading and see if I can get somewhere with this.

[scotmany12]

Still prefer izak lynch over xalxe. Haven't had much time lately due to classes and work. Should be able to sit down and get something up tomorrow.

[saulres]

Are you saying that Izak's no longer scummy, or more so that so many people are scummy that you need to prioritize who should be lynched first?

The latter. We don't get reveals on flips in this game, so I'd rather vote the most likely scum over the leaning scum.

Glork

: In what way is 97 a statement coming from a townie?

In what way is it not coming from a townie?

Scum think it's funny when someone's quickhammered. Town thinks it sucks because it cuts the day, and thus information-gathering, short.

... But I

am

fond of going to night when we're down somebody and that person could be the SK. Argh! Catch-22!

Can't that strategy be easily gamed (especially in an open setup like this) by the SK (and/or Mafia) choosing to no-kill, thereby framing Fritz?

Well sure. Which is why I'm so concerned over whether or not Fritz is here when we go to night.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Scum think it's funny when someone's quickhammered. Town thinks it sucks because it cuts the day, and thus information-gathering, short.

Pro-tip: scum lie.

[vijay2vasandani]

Also Saulres I believe lynches still flip. Only kills by cannibals don't get revealed, at least until they die.

[saulres]

Yes, lynches flip, but NKs don't. That was kinda my point. We can't do any NK analysis so we're more limited in our tools, and so lynching scum is more important than in a normal game when we'd have a good idea who the vig hit as compared to who the scum hit.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Obvious solution is to kill all the scum. We get flips post-game.

On that note, saulres, vote for Xalxe or izak.

[saulres]

I should be able to read through this tonight or tomorrow morning. I'm very much leaning Xalxe, though, if it's any consolation.

[Shadoweh]

No, it isn't. Lynch the fucking prod-dodging scumbag I'm voting. Stop fucking around with the teehee quicklynches.

[saulres]

Caught up, and I fully understand why I think there's so much scummy going on -- no one is obvtown to me. That's annoying.

The following people have done no scumhunting whatsoever: scotmany12, GNR, izak, vijay. Pick it up people! Of these, given my previous tell on him, I would vote vijay. I like that vote. His 154 seems so ironic.

Vote: vijay

It feels like Xalxe's coasting, and he's certainly not answering all the questions thrown at him. There are outstanding things for him in his 102, my 144, and Glork's 123. If he doesn't answer by let's say Monday, I'll move my vote to him. Even if it's the hammer.

Lynch the fucking prod-dodging scumbag I'm voting.

Umm.... No. He's not prod-dodging, for one. For two, I don't agree with your reasoning that he's scum.

[Tierce]

Fritzler has been prodded. I'll give him 48 hours to reply instead of the usual 24 due to his announced V/LA.

[Glork]

Glork

: In what way is 97 a statement coming from a townie?

In what way is it not coming from a townie?

Scum think it's funny when someone's quickhammered. Town thinks it sucks because it cuts the day, and thus information-gathering, short.

... But I

am

fond of going to night when we're down somebody and that person could be the SK. Argh! Catch-22!

Can't that strategy be easily gamed (especially in an open setup like this) by the SK (and/or Mafia) choosing to no-kill, thereby framing Fritz?

Well sure. Which is why I'm so concerned over whether or not Fritz is here when we go to night.

1) It's more a matter of personality than anything else. I've publicly (both in and out of games) lamented that games are too long. Long games tend to cause apathy and disinterest among towns, which also gives scum a fantastic excuse to lurk or fly under the radar.

2) So you're telling me you

want

to go to night without Fritz even though you already knew that framing him would be a trivial matter for the scums? What exactly was the point of acting all undecided about a quick hammer without Fritz if you were aware that going into night is unlikely to net us any information about his alignment? This whole line of thought feels like little more than posturing.

[saulres]

2) So you're telling me you want to go to night without Fritz even though you already knew that framing him would be a trivial matter for the scums?

???

Where did I say I want to go to night before there's a replacement? When I said on Monday I'd move my vote to Xalxe even if it's the hammer?

Tierce said she's going to replace Fritz on Saturday if he doesn't respond to his prod. I figure by Monday a game of this size, with so few pages, will have a replacement in place.

[Glork]

What exactly does "but I am fond of going to night when we're down a person and that person could be the SK" mean? Is that not you saying some part of you wanted to end the day without Fritz here?

[saulres]

It is when you take it out of context like that. Add it to what I said in the line right before it and you see my dilemma.

If we didn't have a town power role around, there's no problem going to night, because we don't risk losing anything (and could only potentially benefit).

[Glork]

How did I fail to give appropriate context? You said you're not find of going to night without somebody, but you

are

fond of it if that person could be the SK.

Either you think Fritz has an above-average chance of being the SK, in which case you really ought to explain why you think that, and why you're hunting specifically for the SK...

...or you don't think he has an above-average chance of being the SK, in which your comment served no useful purpose other than to appeal to the rest of us and/or make it

look like

you're being thoughtfully indecisive.



Please. Feel free to give "full context" and explain exactly what you were hoping to accomplish with the possible-SK comment, because I'm not finding the protown motivation for it.

[Fritzler]

Hey guys, I just got back from the drive. Who should we lynch Glork?