Open 403 - Donner Party (Game Over)

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.7

izakthegoomba

(4) - scotmany12, Cogito Ergo Sum, Chimera, Mortontfrh

Xalxe

(3) - vijay2vasandani, Fritzler, Glork

Fritzler

(1) - izakthegoomba

Chimera

(1) - Shadoweh

vijay2vasandani

(1) - saulres

Not voting

(2) - Guy_Named_Riggs, Xalxe,

saulres

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 2 at 1:30 AM GMT (DST). Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2012-06-02 01:30:00)

[Mortontfrh]

No, it isn't. Lynch the fucking prod-dodging scumbag I'm voting. Stop fucking around with the teehee quicklynches.

I'm sorry, but at what point have I prod dodged? I've been inactive the last day or so due to spending time with my family, outside of that i'm not sure what you're talking about.

The following people have done no scumhunting whatsoever: scotmany12, GNR, izak, vijay. Pick it up people! Of these, given my previous tell on him, I would vote vijay. I like that vote. His 154 seems so ironic.

Vote: vijay

Are you referring to the irony in him saying that Izak isn't scumhunting while not scumhunting himself? If so, I agree with you. However I still think Izak is scummier considering him being around and not scum hunting while trying to teeter around a soft PR claim over our heads. Regardless, i'm willing to hope on a Vijay wagon just because it seems like this Izak lynch isn't making any progress and this game needs to pick up some momentum.

Vote: Vijay

[saulres]

'm sorry, but at what point have I prod dodged?

You realize her vote's not on you but on Chimera, yeah?

Are you referring to the irony in him saying that Izak isn't scumhunting while not scumhunting himself?

Yes.

Please. Feel free to give "full context" and explain exactly what you were hoping to accomplish with the possible-SK comment, because I'm not finding the protown motivation for it.

The context was in here when I was asking about Fritz's V/LA and how long the extension wa-- oh hell just read it yourself. Starting at @Mod and ending with

Catch-22

.

It was the tail end of a post where I 1) scumhunted, 2) unvoted to prevent a possible quicklynch I may not have agreed with after further analysis and 3) asked for clarification of the mod's policies. My mind was going and I put it down on "paper". I do that sometimes, you can check with -- let's see, CES who I've played with before and who's seen me throw out wild ideas and, I believe, discussions of theory. And Xalxe, if he ever posts here again, can confirm that's how I play.

What I'm seeing in this game is a definite playstyle difference between the old guard and the newer players. I'm very concerned that each of those categories is finding the other scummy simply because there are different viewpoints on how to play. I hope we can explain to each other when things come that we think are scummy to understand if it's a playstyle difference or if we should dig deeper.

[Mortontfrh]

You realize her vote's not on you but on Chimera, yeah?

Nope I completely overlooked his change in vote, woops.

[Shadoweh]

Her. >:<

And yes, I rather think you're being too new and adorably confused to vote right now. I also think that saulres can bite me if he seriously can't see why the sleepyhead bull is snoring instead of joining the prolonged discussion.

Glork, I don't recall you voicing these concerns on long games, but I don't read you as much as other people on the site. Have you ever pushed quicklynches for the lulz before? You seem frankly like you should be a better player then this and it makes me nervous about you.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Saulres looks fine.

Glrok's play is fine too, Shadoweh. (Glrok-CES scum team means we can just make up meta about each other. It's pretty cool.)

[saulres]

the sleepyhead bull is snoring instead of joining the prolonged discussion

I'm sorry, prod-dodging to me says he's posting something just to avoid being prodded. But he was nowhere near being in prod range when he posted his useless post. I thought his last post was more just letting us know what to expect, similar to what I did.

GNR, though...

@Mod

prod GNR please?

[Tierce]

Guy_Named_Riggs has been prodded.

[izakthegoomba]

So... yeah. I'm having a hard time getting solid reads on anyone. Probably because CES and Glork seem to be intentionally screwing with this game.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The phrase you're looking for is "rocking it old school".

[izakthegoomba]

The phrase you're looking for is "rocking it old school".

Do you think I give a damn what you want to call it?

[Glork]

Fritz: Xalxe lunch continues to be our best option. You did miss an opportunity at a quick hammer on izak though.

@Saul: Fair enough. It just seemed rather pointless to thrrow it out as a possibility and then undermine it a sentence or two later.

@Shadoweh: Most recent example I can think of is Blood Bowl. D1 was eaten by tigers, but can be found here as a downloadable .rar... In it I complained that D1 was dragging, and pointed out that we used to have entire mini games that wouldn't go 10 pages.

izak: How are either of us "screwing" with the game?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Xalxe

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Can someone explain this wagon on vijay for me? I just went through his ISO and the only thing that I find remotely scummy is showing intent to hammer when no other indication of finding izak scummy was present. Other than that, is there something else that vijay has done to scream scum, or is it just that?

[saulres]

From me it's my "posting a ton elsewhere but not here" scumtell

And now he has 23 elsewhere since his last post here. So there it goes again.

Add that to his opportunistic jumping onto Xalxe's wagon on page 1, plus his complete lack of scumhunting in this game, I think he's a pretty solid candidate for being scum.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Makes sense. I know I've been quilty of doing that before. I want to see what he has to say when he gets back though.

[saulres]

Heh. I actually think I caught you in a game where you were doing that

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

You may have, I don't remember a whole lot from magician mafia except Vi burned my ass bad that game

[Chimera]

Rereading thread now. Post after.

[scotmany12]

Scum think it's funny when someone's quickhammered. Town thinks it sucks because it cuts the day, and thus information-gathering, short.

I don't agree with this mentality. Scum have information to gain during the day as well (trying to determine who the powerroles are). If we think we caught scum, which a decent amount of us have, why shouldn't we end the day

What I'm seeing in this game is a definite playstyle difference between the old guard and the newer players. I'm very concerned that each of those categories is finding the other scummy simply because there are different viewpoints on how to play. I hope we can explain to each other when things come that we think are scummy to understand if it's a playstyle difference or if we should dig deeper.

The different views in day lengths and how fast a lynch should happen, I'll give you. However, you think that the reasoning for finding izak and xalxe scummy are just due to different view points in play?

So... yeah. I'm having a hard time getting solid reads on anyone.

Probably because CES and Glork seem to be intentionally screwing with this game.

Ummm....why is this guy still alive? Not only is this a horrible excuse for not contributing at all, but if you truly believed them to be screwing with the game, why aren't you voting for one of them? The only ones who are going to screw with the town to try to make it difficult on them are scum.

Guy_Named_Riggs: Who do you think is scum? You've only placed one vote this game, and that was during the RVS. In your ISO I generally only see you agreeing with people after they answer your questions, but not placing any votes at all.

[Glork]

Shadoweh, how do you feel about GNR and vijay? I want as much detail as possible, please.

[Glork]

Saul: Why are you so hellbent on criticizing vijay's posting habits while ignoring Xalxe, who has made 34 posts elsewhere since his last post in here? You wax rhetorical about hypocrisy while committing it in plain sight yourself, and you're effectively chainsawing vijay's vote on Xalxe. Are you Xalxe's scumbuddy?

[Glork]

EBWOP: Maybe hypocrisy isn't the right word here. But there's a definite double standard here.

[saulres]

The difference is the locations of the posts. To try to avoid breaking site rules, let me just say that Vijay's other posts include ones in a certain forum, while Xalxe's don't.

But I am fully aware that Xalxe is five hours from a prod. I'm just hoping he'll post answers to the outstanding questions against him.

Plus reactions are good. You're now in my town column.

[Glork]

I disagree with your line of reasoning. I definitely give preference to some games over others, especially hen I find myself in more games than I planned/wanted, or when certain games are at critical junctures. Your case against vijay is circumstantial at best, while Xalxe has been demonstrably scummy.

Plus, lurking is lurking, regardless of what forum someone is posting in. Xalxe has been very active on the site since his last post, and has chosen not to answer outstanding questions directed towards him. He's "dodging" as much as any other player in this game, and there's evidence of that fact in plain sight.

If it weren't for the fact that your sig shows that you probably suffer from some serious personal bias, I'd probably be calling for your head right now. As things stand, I do think you need to go back and re-examine what Xalxe has actually contributed to the game so far.