TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

OHHHH YEAH.

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/8cdYSMuhiZJG

Mafia invictus scum qt. Post 128 DGB tells us to strategically lurk. Post 130 I say lurking as scum is lameeee.

I've always found lurking as scum horrrible.

[Llamarble]

Once I am threatened with being lynched, I ask people to actually read my stuff I've done and stop being stupid?
What an incredibly scummy thing to do!
Surely I haven't done that practically every time I've ever been run up as town.

The fact that you realize this means you can manipulate it. Haven't you heard of that opinion about meta? Once it's realized it no longer becomes relevant due to the fact that it can be manipulated, or do you not agree with the premise?

Uh, you said that I was scummy because I asked people to reread my stuff, which is just wrong. I do think self meta can be relevant when it is pervasive and hard to fake though.

Benmage's lurklurklurk oh I'm town for lurking because as scum I would care is BS.
HE CLAIMED HE PICKED THIS GAME BECAUSE HE WANTED A SKILL CHALLENGE / pure scumhunting.
I don't see following that up with not even trying to play the game.
Lurking as scum is horrible but lurking as town is fine? No.
Benmage lynch has the MoI seal of approval. Coasting while not being heavily attacked is Benmage scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Wait now u think Im scum CES?

Nachomarble is what I was talking about.

[Nachomamma8]

It's no fun if you make your partnership that obvious, nacho...

If you can give me one reason why Benmage is town that's not "oh, he'd do better as scum", I will switch my vote here and now.
But it frustrates me that you are writing him off because he cares about scum more and he's not doing anything here. This is Team Mafia. This is a place for people to prove themselves, and I seriously, seriously doubt that Benmage would just throw the game away like this. In the Scummies Winvitational, Benmage pulled out all of the stops to secure a win because he loved the challenge and he knew he could pull it off, and I don't think that his performance would be so ridiculously different in a similar game. So, he's doing it for a reason. And he's making that reason abundantly clear.

I'm noticing a distinct avoidance of the llamarble wagon from very distinct people. Nacho, why is that the one post that's causing you to change your vote from Zach? What about his posting makes Benmage scum? Why does llamarble "doing something" make him less scum than someone who's not around/posting crap? Does that make Socio scum for the same reasons?

It's not one post, it's all of his recent posts. He's not posting anything at all. He's just throwing down the self-meta card over and over again, and acting like he just can't believe it when we don't buy the bullshit. That's not town posting. At all.

Llamarble doing shit, cool. That's wonderful. He's been thinking, he's been scumhunting, and he's working to get the wagon off him as opposed to just sitting there and saying "oh, I would never do this as scum in a million years, so get off me now." Also, I don't really think Llamarble would have to kill Regfan if he were scum (CES), and the shallow scumhunting charge is kind of shitty. Why do you think he's scum?

[Nachomamma8]

CES, who's your third pick right now?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Benmage's lurklurklurk oh I'm town for lurking because as scum I would care is BS.
HE CLAIMED HE PICKED THIS GAME BECAUSE HE WANTED A SKILL CHALLENGE / pure scumhunting.
I don't see following that up with not even trying to play the game.
Lurking as scum is horrible but lurking as town is fine? No.

Q1: do you think he's strategically lurking?
Q2: do you think he cares more as scum or as town?

[Nachomamma8]

If you can give me one reason why Benmage is town that's not "oh, he'd do better as scum", I will switch my vote here and now.

offer still stands, CES.

[Captain Falcon]

Uh, you said that I was scummy because I asked people to reread my stuff, which is just wrong. I do think self meta can be relevant when it is pervasive and hard to fake though.

Hmm?

You asked people to reread your stuff because you felt it was obviously town minded, that is where I drew my opinion towards "if you realize it, you can fake it".

What does LLD think about Benmage?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm not writing benmage off, Nacho. I prefer the Llamarblewagon and I think the arguments being levelled against benmage right now are silly. (The buddying 'marble charge was somewhat reasonable though.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It's not one post, it's all of his recent posts. He's not posting anything at all. He's just throwing down the self-meta card over and over again, and acting like he just can't believe it when we don't buy the bullshit. That's not town posting. At all.

Benmage totally does that regardless of alignment, I'm pretty sure.

CES, who's your third pick right now?

Technically Socio, but benmage in a practical sense.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you can give me one reason why Benmage is town that's not "oh, he'd do better as scum", I will switch my vote here and now.

offer still stands, CES.

Llamarble doesn't look like he's bussing, natch.

[Llamarble]

LLD is focusing on other things than mafia right now. My QT has quieted down a bit and we're mostly playing our own games while doing our best to sanity check each others' lynches.

[Nachomamma8]

If you can give me one reason why Benmage is town that's not "oh, he'd do better as scum", I will switch my vote here and now.

offer still stands, CES.

Llamarble doesn't look like he's bussing, natch.

He most certainly doesn't. This doesn't help me though.

[Llamarble]

Hm, my last statement sounded more team-general than I intended. bleh

I think most people care a lot about team mafia.
I think Benmage cares about this game and chose to coast and cash in on the 'more active as scum' card.
He certainly has showed up when poked, which is exactly what MoI expected himscum to do.
I have played to cash in on differences between my town/scum meta before, and that's what I think he is doing.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Have you considered just blindly sheeping Regfan, Nacho? He's pretty okay at this game.

[Nachomamma8]

LLD is focusing on other things than mafia right now. My QT has quieted down a bit and we're mostly playing our own games while doing our best to sanity check each others' lynches.

LLD isn't focusing on mafia right now?
That's not actually true, you know.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think most people care a lot about team mafia.
I think Benmage cares about this game and chose to coast and cash in on the 'more active as scum' card.
He certainly has showed up when poked, which is exactly what MoI expected himscum to do.
I have played to cash in on differences between my town/scum meta before, and that's what I think he is doing.

That doesn't sound very benmagey.

[Nachomamma8]

Have you considered just blindly sheeping Regfan, Nacho? He's pretty okay at this game.

Sometimes. Only problem is I really don't like self-voting

[Captain Falcon]

LLD is focusing on other things than mafia right now. My QT has quieted down a bit and we're mostly playing our own games while doing our best to sanity check each others' lynches.

That's unfortunate. I consider she to be the easier one to read of your group.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The notion that Regfan'd get nightkilled while being wrong about all of you, Llamarble and benmage is silly, Nacho.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.[/relevantH.L.Menckenquote]

[Benmage]

I've always found lurking as scum horrrible.

[Nachomamma8]

I've always found lurking as scum horrrible.

i've always found lurking as town horrible
try again

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.15

Benmage (4) - Johhog, Llamarble, Zachrulez, Nachomamma8
Llamarble (4) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Captain Falcon, singersigner, Bub Bidderskins
Bub Bidderskins (1) - SocioPath
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Benmage

Not Voting (1) - Matias

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

[Nachomamma8]

The notion that Regfan'd get nightkilled while being wrong about all of you, Llamarble and benmage is silly, Nacho.

ooor