Magua (3) - Voidedmafia
fishythefish (1) - DCLXVI
No Voting (9) - kortul, Magua, Debonair Danny DiPietro, rhinox, fishythefish
With 13 votes it takes 7 to lynch
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:namely that scum won’t be all on or off a wagon; violations of that principle happened exceedingly rarely in my dataset whether there be two scum or three (didn’t look at large games). Given my other assumptions this really makes rhinox stand out on that D1 vote count.
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:First thing is more numbers and while rhinox promises more content in his first post on D3 and he does provide it compared to his non-existance at the end of D2 he’s still under the average in terms of posts and a quick check says I had more posts than him and I’m never a paragon of activity.
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:966 is IIoA
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:977 pulls the same “don’t give me town points for that” that I mentioned earlier today
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:1060 he gets caught having gone several days without posting again, next two posts are prod talk, <snip> he goes missing again for several days on end
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:his kortul read apparently falls apart
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I can’t blame him for his V/LA but I’m having a hard time squaring the fact that he was ready to hammer in 1122 on 5/18; he has one wall post that doesn’t really move the game at all before hammering anyways in 1233 on 5/28. I mean if you’re going to delay things shouldn’t you make use of that time somehow instead it just looks like he’s waiting for a different wagon to emerge or someone else to hammer to keep himself off the wagon.
↑ kortul wrote:Still on kindle. I am VT.
@Magua - i can't read you logically at all. All this info was there on day 3, yet you were on Fishy and SA. And how can you be seen softclaiming investigation on Fishy when you happily switch to SA and sit there until the end of the day? But if you needed my lynch you could do it when i was at L-2, that makes you less likely to be scum... I want my internet back and finish the research
↑ Rhinox wrote:One post of "information" does not make it IIoA. It makes it IMWA - Information Mixed with Analysis. IIoA is only a scumtell if there more information than analysis, thus the name Information instead of analysis. If 966 was ammended as part of my 965 for example, you wouldn't be crying IIoA. This is a big reach.
↑ Rhinox wrote:Fine you've repeated this enough now and backed it up with a vote where I want you to explain why this is at all a scumtell. If someone is trying to call me town for what I feel is a bad reason I'm going to point it out because it could be scum trying to buddy me. I don't get how it makes any sense that why I as scum would have any need or desire to double up on town points by refusing to accept town points. If people are thinking I'm town, then I don't need to keep trying to fabricate more reasons for those same people to think I'm town if I'm scum.
↑ Rhinox wrote:But before I could hammer people unvoted to where I could no longer hammer. 1207, 1221, 1223 and my V/LA he was all the way back to L-3. First opportunity to hammer him after I heard what he had to say and decided it was BS, I hammered. I did make use of the time - Just because you don't like 1183 doesn't mean I didn't take time to read some iso's and reaffirm my reads.
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Spoiler:
So in my research that led to one of the biggest reasons I’m clearing Fishy I’ve actually found a reasonable amount of evidence for some of the basic VCA assumptions; namely that scum won’t be all on or off a wagon; violations of that principle happened exceedingly rarely in my dataset whether there be two scum or three (didn’t look at large games). Given my other assumptions this really makes rhinox stand out on that D1 vote count.
First thing is more numbers and while rhinox promises more content in his first post on D3 and he does provide it compared to his non-existance at the end of D2 he’s still under the average in terms of posts and a quick check says I had more posts than him and I’m never a paragon of activity.
966 is IIoA, 977 pulls the same “don’t give me town points for that” that I mentioned earlier today, 1060 he gets caught having gone several days without posting again, next two posts are prod talk, his kortul read apparently falls apart and he goes missing again for several days on end; I can’t blame him for his V/LA but I’m having a hard time squaring the fact that he was ready to hammer in 1122 on 5/18; he has one wall post that doesn’t really move the game at all before hammering anyways in 1233 on 5/28. I mean if you’re going to delay things shouldn’t you make use of that time somehow instead it just looks like he’s waiting for a different wagon to emerge or someone else to hammer to keep himself off the wagon.
On re-analysis I gave him town credit for some things on D1, but I think my first instincts were correct and he’s scum.
VOTE: rhinox
↑ Magua wrote:Also, I figured it would be more likely that I'd be seen as soft-claiming some investigation on him that way, and if I was right (I always think I'm right), more likely that I'd be NK'ed over someone who was actually a PR. (In retrospect, that was never going to happen with the masons, but whatever.)
↑ DCLXVI wrote:Basically, macros's "case" against me is pure OMGUS fluff aimed at drawing attention away from his wagon and onto to one of his accusers.
There are a lot of claims made in his case that aren't backed up, macro calls parts of my case unatural and another part of it bad and neither time does he try to back up those claims. There is a lot of rhetoric, and little logical analysis and proof behind his attack on me.
OK. I'll use hiplop as a baseline to demonstrate the point then.↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:it’s that anyone under contributing is more likely to be scum for that fact. And I’m just using myself as a baseline to demonstrate the point.
Well this is where we disagree. Why wouldn't scum just want to accept false benefits being handed to them as well? What makes scum more likely screw you're benefits, over town saying hey that doesn't really mean I'm town?↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:town behavior is to accept the benefits handed to you
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:You’re a smart player rhinox and yet you didn’t consider: why is the guy I’m saying I’m willing to hammer still calling me out as scum?
Yeah the 4 days was the time SA requested in order to have time to post content, and others requested he be given. I gave the ultimatum in 1183 after SA's promised timeframe for content was up. Then SA posted and someone unvoted out of hammer range.↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:There were four RL days between your first threat to hammer and 1183. And you say you needed the time to read ISOs and reaffirm reads, but those are things you can do over night as well; the only thing you need day for is to interact with other players and you didn’t do that.
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I was expecting to find myself or DCL on the bottom of Macrophage’s list and hand a vote to a town aligned player; instead Magua was apparently at the bottom who I consider more of a question mark.
↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:Rhinox: Macro prob isn't scum. Lynch either DDD or I today. I'd prefer DDD, obviously, but I think my lynch is inevitable at this point.
↑ Sleepless Assassin wrote:I have a day off from work tomorrow (maybe), so let me try and find a little while to figure this game out. After that, hammer away.