Open 413 - Duck, Duck, Shoot! (Game over!)

[Chrimi]

The timing of claiming 'not scum'?

*facepalm*

[andrew94]

unvote vote quinter

sheeping etc

[drmyshotgun]

thanks lastsurvivor.

I thought PGO was basically Daykill Vigilante...

Vote: shotgun

you can't seriously not have read your role pm if you are town

Yep. So yeah. Yep. Nothing to say. I'm defeated. Boohoo. Sniff sniff.

[Jal]

I fail to see how someone misunderstanding their role is scummy in any sense, especially when the role PM is made clear to everyone. It's not a town slip either.

AcRv

:

What makes Phill town?

If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.

Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him. This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.

Because the "confirm by PM" is at the bottom of the PM.

No it isn't.

VOTE: AcRv

[Jal]

Phill

:

I was not jumping on gunny for his PGO claim, I was jumping on his timing.

Actually, you "jumped" aka

voted

for him before he claimed.

Why did you vote for him again? I am unclear what "blindingly obvious reasons" entail.

[Phillammon]

Because of the whole thing wherein he claimed that he thought PGOs where one shot dayvigs, therefore he either didn't read his PM and thus didn't confirm (and he did confirm), or he got a scum PM. I "jumped at him" in the traditional sense of the word, when I aggressively challenged his claim, because 1) He formally claimed at 2 votes and 2) He was claiming the role he didn't know the function of, despite having received the PM.

[AcRv]

AcRv

:

What makes Phill town?

You want me to explain my town reads? So scum know what they can do to make me think they're town? I'm good.

If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.

Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him. This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.

Uhm...

despite having apparently

read

your PM, and despite both PMs being posted above?

Whoa whoa whoa. We're already assuming too much here.

... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.

Because the "confirm by PM" is at the bottom of the PM.

No it isn't.

VOTE: AcRv

... it is at then end of my PM. And I'd assume everyone else is the same.

Really looks like you're trying to defend shotgun a little too much... bringing up an incorrect point trying to defend him, when we had already established that what he did was a null tell. And also denying you defended him seems off as well.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jal

Hi.

... Your signature and this post together made me laugh... is there a reason for this post and your other one?

[Lastsurvivor]

On the television, the debates are heated.
"Guns kill people!" a Florida statesman shouts.
"Guns don't kill people; people kill people!" another one shouts. To prove it, he pulls out his concealed firearm from his pants pocket and shot the other Florida statesman in the chest. A narrator's voice says,

"Generic Florida Statesman, Politician, has died Pregame."

Florida Statehouse Mafia has begun.

D1 VOTE COUNT #2

Quinter (L-4) - brundibar, andrew94
Phillammon (L-4) - kondi2424, Chrimi
Shattered Viewpoint (L-5) - drmyshotgun
kondi2424 (L-5) - mcqueen
AcRv (L-5) - Jal
drmyshotgun (L-5) - Quinter
Jal (L-5) - AcRv
brundibar -
Chrimi -
andrew94 -
mcqueen

Not voting: Shattered Viewpoint, Phillammon

V/LA: Quinter LA until approximately 6/16 (but he can still post)

With 11 alive, it takes six to lynch

Note: Due to moderator error, not every PM included the "Please confirm via PM with your role name" note on the bottom. I did not use BCC for any of the role PMs, and edited that note in to all of the role PMs after I sent them out. However, if someone had already confirmed, I didn't bother to edit it in.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-23 23:13:00)

[brundibar]

unvote vote quinter

sheeping etc

I'm suspicious of quinter as well from his few posts, but I don't think sheeping is the best term to describe it. Any more reasoning?

[mcqueen]

I have nothing to say.

[drmyshotgun]

Yeah, I'm feeling uncomfortable with Jal's defending of me. Looks like he's trying to buy Town points from me and others who see

me

as Town.

[Jal]

AcRv

:

You want me to explain my town reads? So scum know what they can do to make me think they're town? I'm good.

So you're making claims that someone is townie, but backing up this claim would be giving away secrets to the scum? Why should we believe you if you're not going to back-up your claim?

... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.

Just because I'm pointing out a flaw in the argument, doesn't constitute a defense of the person being attacked.

Since you didn't say anything to this part of my post:

If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.

Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

I guess you agree with me in that you're using horrible roundabout logic to make me seem scummy and tying Gunny and I unnecessarily together.

Lastsurvivor already addressed the PM dealio.

drmyshotgun

:

Yeah, I'm feeling uncomfortable with Jal's defending of me. Looks like he's trying to buy Town points from me and others who see me as Town.

If you're feeling "uncomfortable" with my assumed defending of you, please feel free to move your currently useless vote for Shattered Viewpoint onto myself.

[drmyshotgun]

Well, since Shattered Viewpoint supplied us with vast amount of information and never-before-seen knowledge, my vote stays on him.

[andrew94]

thanks lastsurvivor.

I thought PGO was basically Daykill Vigilante...

Vote: shotgun

you can't seriously not have read your role pm if you are town

cos of this post

[AcRv]

AcRv

:

You want me to explain my town reads? So scum know what they can do to make me think they're town? I'm good.

So you're making claims that someone is townie, but backing up this claim would be giving away secrets to the scum? Why should we believe you if you're not going to back-up your claim?

Look at it this way - why would a town member lie about a townread? And scum would only lie about a townread on their buddy, and as soon as they flip scum then hey, we know to ignore everything they said about reads. So really, you don't lose anything from me not explaining why I think someone is town. All you need to know is that I have no plans on voting him/her in the forseeable future.

... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.

Just because I'm pointing out a flaw in the argument, doesn't constitute a defense of the person being attacked.

Since you didn't say anything to this part of my post:

If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.

Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

... Uh, yeah, because you then added this:

This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him. This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.

Which I did adress, and was the main point. You were denying you defended him, which at the time it looked like you were, (until LastSurvivor told us what happened with that... so now you're saying I'm scum for not knowing something that I couldn't have possibly known yet). Also, that part of the post you're claiming I'm ignored is basically you stating my logic... so what am I meant to say to it, "you've got my logic right"? You basically stated what my logic was and said why it was wrong (the bit about why it's wrong you conveniently left out). I then went and said why I thought your reasoning for it being wrong was wrong,. Your response? Say that I didn't address a point that I did.

I have nothing to say.

If I got a dollar every time I heard that.

[brundibar]

Or they could be lying about a town read in general to gain town cred. They wouldn't just lie about a town read on their buddy.

I have nothing to say.

Oh really now?

[mcqueen]

Well, throghout the day, I've thought of one thing to say - I've no need to arm myself unless I'm being called obvious town by a lot of players, as mafia will want me alive for mislynch bait, later in the game. So, yes I'm a PGO, and I'm not arming myself unless I'm being called obvious town.

Other than that, I'll unvote, as even my RVS vote isn't meaningful to me.
UNVOTE:

[andrew94]

acrv seems town to me.

mcqueen , why did you make that post?
your not obvious town to me!

[drmyshotgun]

He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

[mcqueen]

andrew94 is just being andrew94. And McQueen is just being McQueen.

[drmyshotgun]

Both of you equal silent asses?

[andrew94]

He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

get on my page. you see what im seeing mcqueen is doing?

[drmyshotgun]

I dunno you tell me. If you know something more than any players, you do us a favor and tell of it. Not quiz around.

[mcqueen]

Both of you equal silent asses?

Silent but deadly. Yup, you guessed it - I'm a Paranoid Farter.

[mcqueen]

He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

get on my page. you see what im seeing mcqueen is doing?

? Even I don't see what I'm doing, so how can you?

(Answer - He's a Gypsy!)