Mini 1336 - Revolution Mafia Game Over!

[implosion]

Okay.

So that kind of eliminates any speculation about the existence of a nightkill.

[Voidedmafia]

499 sounds weird, in a "why would you post that as town?" sort of way. Maybe I'm thinking too much along the lines of normal Mafia games and I'm thinking that's a scumclaim or something, but I just don't like it.

Vote Vijay

[implosion]

You can all vote for voided now.

[Voidedmafia]

You can all vote for voided now.

If you want to vote for someone finding something weird, then go ahead. I won't stop you. But you'd do better to help explain where I'm wrong (if I'm wrong, anyways) rather than "herpderp vote him derpderp".

So, what's up?

[implosion]

No, i want people to vote you for all of the other reasons that i already explained.

[kanyeknowsbest]

499 sounds weird, in a "why would you post that as town?" sort of way. Maybe I'm thinking too much along the lines of normal Mafia games and I'm thinking that's a scumclaim or something, but I just don't like it.

Vote Vijay

the scumclaim is in 497.

vote vijay

[Voidedmafia]

You mean in 376?

Well, when I said you were like BB I meant you both were lurking to varying degrees, but you weren't lurking as bad as BB (admittedly I thought I already explained this point, but going over both of us in ISO shows that I actually didn't, so eh...). I've already tried to explain my part on MattP, and Fate became better by the end of D1, so you've only got 1 of those three things going for you now. Unless I missed something.

PE: I suppose either would work.

[implosion]

the scumclaim is in 497.

:S

[implosion]

Read posts 405-409.

[Voidedmafia]

Where's the slip?

[Voidedmafia]

Like, realy, what makes it a townslip? Forgetting about what's in the rules for the specific game? I do that, too, sometimes. Why is that a townslip?

[implosion]

And Voided, saying "well that's not what I meant" when what you meant is

damn clear

doesn't change shit.

It's factual that you essentially said that you liked a list full of people that you called scummy.

It's my opinion that this is a very, very significant scumtell, involving cognitive dissonance (not expressing opinions in accordance with reads) and, at worst, a sheer contradiction.

You stated that you thought the lineup was good

while your reads from 17 posts ago had indicated that you thought most of the lineup was bad.

It does not matter if your opinions of those people changed after post 338; at the time of writing, your posts were explicitly contradictory to your stance on the mission.

[implosion]

don't think you're allowed to copy that out though.

He thought that something which was actually public information was private information; i.e., that only townies were told what he was told.

[kanyeknowsbest]

implosion which vm posts are you referring to?

[Voidedmafia]

Not on you, though. My stance on BB was that he was lurky, and that was the same stance I had with you. I would've wanted someone better, but you weren't bad.

I accept the point on Fate, but not on Matt. I already explained that part to Matt himself. Besides, 4/6 isn't that bad.

P-EDIT: Would say I've done that, but I don't remember and I don't want to scour through my games to find it. 499 is still weird.

unvote

[implosion]

implosion which vm posts are you referring to?

That's gonna have to wait now. There's a single-day LoL tourney tomorrow (today?) that I'm in that I need to get a little bit more training in for, so I'm going to devote most of today and tomorrow to that. Anything else I do over here will either be for the Open I'm in or for the Open I'm modding. I will get back to you as soon as the tourney ends, though. I have been watching from the beginning, though, so I'll give some simple thoughts from what I remember:

BBmolla isn't even here and needs to be. Not sure if it's null-lurking or scumlurking right now, so that'll require a reread.

Darox, IIRC, was okay. Slightly on the town side.

Don't really remember Elmo.

Lack of Faterage aside, I'm not really liking his attempt to discredit Marble's point of quoting his ISO. Not that I disagree that it's a bad thing, but I don't think it's THAT bad.

GreyICE is always scum.

Don't remember anything from Hendric. Like, at all. I have this vague town feeling from him, but that's about it.

Implosion is in the same boat as BB, I think, though not as bad. Still needs to do stuff.

Kayne is null.

Loudness (or lack thereof) aside, Kuribo is also null pending the reread.

MattP feels like scum.

You, Spyrex, lean town.

Vijay I'd only say town because I like him and all, but from what I recall he was really cheeky in a scummy way.

Again, this is basic stuff. Something more comprehensive will come sometime tomorrow.

Mission looks like it'll be BB, Spyrex, Implosion, Matt, Darox, and Fate. Not a bad lineup, cept for BB cuz he's not doing anything.

Went over Vijay's ISO. The early parts are bad (the don't/just typo, the 60-40 thing), and together are worth a vote, but I wouldn't push that to a lynch. However, considering that 247 attacks me and tries to get a chainlynch going on one of my sure townreads (Marble), I don't like it one bit.

Vote: Vijay

[Voidedmafia]

Again, I never said your lurking was scumlurking, or that you or BB were scum. You two weren't the BEST, but you weren't bad (the "you two" is obviously plural and "but you" is singular). And at least 4/6 isn't that bad at all.

[implosion]

I accept the point on Fate, but not on Matt. I already explained that part to Matt himself. Besides, 4/6 isn't that bad.

Uh...

1) 4/6 is

very bad

. Here, let's count up the reads that you gave in 321, counting lurkers (me/bb) as nullreads:

null/town/null/scummy/town/null/null/null/scum/town/town
5 null reads, 4 town reads, 2 scum reads. Hell, let's add you to that list. 1 confirmed town (fypov if you're town), 5 null reads, 4 town reads, 2 scum reads.

Out of this pool, the mission was 2 scum reads (BOTH of the people you listed as scummy, fate AND mattp), 2 null reads, and 2 town reads.

If you were to pick randomly out of that list, you'd expect to wind up with about .5 confirmed town, 2.5 null reads, 2 town reads, and 1 scum read.
In other words, .5 more confirmed town, .5 more null reads, and 1 less scum read.
In other words,

picking randomly from your list of reads would have produced, on average, a better list, based on your reads, than the mission at that time.

Now you tell me that the mission is "not bad."

2)

Let's look a bit at the point about matt. Your response, as far as i can tell, was that your read on him was based on a loose read at the time.

I don't care what it was based on. It's a fact that at that point in time, you had matt as a scumread.

So yeah.

[implosion]

Again, I never said your lurking was scumlurking, or that you or BB were scum. You two weren't the BEST, but you weren't bad (the "you two" is obviously plural and "but you" is singular). And at least 4/6 isn't that bad at all.

We weren't the best.
We were part of a below-average mission.
Considering that both of your at-that-time scumreads were on the mission, you should have had absolutely no motivation to comment on how the mission isn't going to be bad. It's simply nonsensical. It's like saying "i went to florida last weekend," having someone ask you what florida was like, and saying "why, the weather in hawaii is wonderful!"

[Voidedmafia]

I guess we'll have to disagree on how bad 4/6 is. Sure, going by what math you're using that's better than what I was going on, but I didn't think it's horribad or very bad. Or overly bad in general.

Okay, fine, I screwed up with what I was thinking. I admit it. Now are you gonna charge a lynch on me or you gonna think this is some sort of townie frustration?

[vijay2vasandani]

Also, imp your vote probably won't work. That's sort of what I got from it.

[Llamarble]

Too tired to do actually useful things, but vijay saying he figured out factional abilities exist from a role action he used on Implosion, and saying he was planning to neuter implosion, etc, strongly point to Vijay town.

I also agree with Implosion's post about probably not exactly one scum for the reasons he stated. I'm pretty sure if scum lets us go on lots of unscrewedwith missions we do really well, and I think we should unquestionably send the same group. If scum didn't interfere before but do now, then we just laugh at them for giving us a free night and know there's scum in the 6; if they don't have the ability to interfere then :awesomesauce:

[vijay2vasandani]

Hey guys, sorry but

I will be LA for a week. I can still post, around once a day, but not as much as I normally do. Ran out of internet bandwidth XD

[kuribo]

Too tired to do actually useful things, but vijay saying he figured out factional abilities exist from a role action he used on Implosion, and saying he was planning to neuter implosion, etc, strongly point to Vijay town.

I also agree with Implosion's post about probably not exactly one scum for the reasons he stated. I'm pretty sure if scum lets us go on lots of unscrewedwith missions we do really well, and I think we should unquestionably send the same group. If scum didn't interfere before but do now, then we just laugh at them for giving us a free night and know there's scum in the 6; if they don't have the ability to interfere then :awesomesauce:

And further, as far as the Sovereign Six, if someone does wind up sabotaging a mission, it'd probably be best to replace one person out of the Six at a time. I dunno, I'm just thinking, I've never been good at probabilities or shit like that.

[SpyreX]

So vijay town and implosion town

Unvote, Vote: VM