Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[drmyshotgun]

Just quarantine Esp again, I think?

Quarantine: Espeonage

I'll sheep.
VOTE: Malakittens

[Espeonage]

LOL shotgun, you so funny.

[image]

Travelling for a couple more weeks and while I'm no longer limited access, I will still have less time to commit than I normally do.

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Espeonage has been released from quarantine; he may not be quarantined today.

Just quarantine Esp again, I think?

No.

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@NabNab:

You mentioned everyone on D3f3nd3r's wagon except me. Why the omission? IGMEOY.

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I'm wary of the Malakitten wagon. Yesterday before the D3f3nd3r wagon took over it peaked with [BK201, guille2015, Espeonage] in #357; today right of the bat we get [sword_of_omens, BK201, drmyshotgun]. I think this wagon is taking advantage of Malakitten's bad play for an easy lynch, and I think it is scum-driven. It seems like the scum are driving for an easy quicklynch. A quick look at the people who have hopped onto the Mala-wagon so far today:

sword_of_omens:

sword's opinion of Mala seemed to change overnight from "I think i might be interested in voting Malakit or Brundi/Nab today..." (#319) to "again i seriously would to have liked to see a Mala flip…and if I had the time last week I would have pushed harder for it…" (#471). Since he didn't mention her in the interim, this is a pretty drastic shift and seems like an attempt to slide in a vote on Malakittens and get momentum rolling there. sword stayed away from the D3f3nder wagon; admittedly, he was V/LA, but he did make some posts and they didn't mention it at all.

BK201:

Mentioned intent to hammar D3f3nd3r yesterday, otherwise ignored his wagon altogether. Generally short and unobjectionable posts without much that looks like scumhunting. Seems like scum trying to lay low.

drmyshotgun:

As many of his votes have been sheeping as with reasons behind them, which seems like a wonderful way to avoid pressure. Further, something about his claim strikes me as off: "However, one thing I can cling onto is the fact that I truly believed Espeonage's claim to be "essentially" VT.
Because I'm VT too" (#422). Why does being a VT make someone else's claim to be VT more believable? Would you otherwise be in doubt that VT is a role in this game? Doesn't make sense.

Vote: sword_of_omens

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Quarantine: drmyshotgun

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[Espeonage]

Shotgun isn't a sensible quarantine target.

Vote: Sword

I lied.

[Phillammon]

Why isn't shotgun a sensible quarantine target?

Vote: Sword

- very good points raised there.

[Espeonage]

Unvote

Oh this is fun.

[Phillammon]

?

[Espeonage]

?

i lol'd

[sword_of_omens]

@image , heh, try reading my WHOLE post next time...
Malakit's flip would net us some good intel, as you can already see...

[Malakittens]

Okay thoughts on the D3f3nd3r wagon.

I believe there's at least one scum person on this wagon.
SER was killed Night 1 and town-aligned.
Espeonage has claimed VT. [ Vanilla Town Claim]
Drmyshotgun has claimed VT too. (Not sure about this one) In post #130 voted Thetrollie for the mention of scum PR and thought it was a slip. Was corrected that Guille was the first to mention it and then in post #141 it was stated that Thetrollie didn't read properly before answering. In post #145 that we should just quarantine town player is better and works better if that player is VT. Votes me in #178 for playing the newb card.

TheTrollie: Voted me on #52 because of my avatar driving him nuts and then said he read the thread and the vote was staying put on #53. Was quick to jump onto Sword's argument on Espeonage on Post #117. Second to mention Scum PR's in post #123 and he made it clear we should "definitely" be worried about Scum PR's.

On the Drmyshotgun Wagon:
NabakovNabakov: Right now I'm reading him as town.
D3f3nd3r: Lynched Day 1 and town aligned.
Gullie2015: Was the first to mention Scum PR's because it's a better assumption to believe they are existing rather than the latter.

I agree with this. Regardless, definitely in this context doesn't give me any hints of whether he knew or not that mafia has PRs. But assuming that mafia has PR and trying to jail mafia is safer than assuming they don't have PRs and therfore we jail Town VTs. I think the latter is a bad Idea.

He states that we either jail someone suspicious or we don't jail anyone. He votes to quarantine Thetrollie and then FoS'es Espeonage and notes that would like to vote for Espeonage, but didn't because he hasn't counted the votes.(Post #148). In post #151 he votes Espeonage because his lack of explanation on the vote against him. Also states that there is 5 votes on Espeonage already and he will be making it 6, but don't let anyone hammer since we have to decide on quarantine.


Town Reads:
Espeonage: Right now it's due to the VT claim and it's believable. Even if he was scum with a PR I don't see how scum quarantining themselves is a good move at all for scum.
NabakovNabakov

Null Reads(smack in the middle):
Drmyshotgun: Was very anxious to vote at the sheer mention of scum PR's and didn't check that the person he voted for wasn't the first to mention them.
Sword_of_Omens: Checked Image's notes on Swords and Sword barely mentioned my name and I'm also thinking that his vote could be for an easy lynch on myself.

Scum Reads:
Guillie: Stated Above.
TheTrollie: Stated above.
Bk201: Jumped on Espeonage fast due to the fact of his claim. Stated that Vt's shouldn't claim just to claim and that's its scummy approach and is not an excuse to get away with role fishing. I don't see how him claiming was role fishing. Unvotes Espeonage and was quick to jump onto Drmyshotgun's point and votes me due to the fact I look like anxious scum. His posts #1-8 was tunneling on both Me and Espeonage with one mention of Swords for thinking he's town. Then he quarantines SER and states he's okay with lynching me or Espeonage, but is okay with jailing SER or Espeonage. Day 2 starts and he's tunneling on me only and not looking else where.

Everyone else I'm undecided on.

[NabakovNabakov]

@image: Not terribly much to say. You made a good case to vote Defender and were the first person on his wagon. Were we starting with the assumption that Defender was an experienced and competent player, I would have gone along with your case, but I saw too much evidence of his being a flailing newb to really give credence. It's possible you were running interference on the Peon wagon, but that conflicts with my feeling that Peon is town. Then you went V/LA for the second week of D1, which is the time-span I find most interesting/unusual now.

Also, I have to point out that I'm don't see what you're getting at when you claim sword's opinion "changed overnight." He went from kind of wanting the lynch to more seriously wanting the lynch. Is this really so inconsistent?

Observation: Shotgun is a menace to this town regardless of his role. We really should have had a bullshit lynch on him rather than a bullshit lynch on Defender.

@Psyche: You replaced into this game nearly 10 RL days ago. Talk.

[Espeonage]

Vote: Image

You've convinced me Nab.

[Espeonage]

EBWOP: I should be clearer, you convinced me that you shouldn't be my biggest scumread and therefore I am willing to follow you around for a bit until you decide to cement yourself either way in my mind.

[Espeonage]

In addition, your Psyche vote is not doing anything.

[RichardGHP]

Second Vote Count of Day 2

Lynch:

[1] Psyche - [NabakovNabakov]
[3] Malakittens - [sword_of_omens, BK201, drmyshotgun]
[2] sword_of_omens - [image, Phillammon]
[1] image - [Espeonage]


[4] Not Voting - [Psyche, TheTrollie, guille2015, Malakittens]

Quarantine:

[1] drmyshotgun - [image]
[10] Not Voting - [Psyche, NabakovNabakov, Phillammon, drmyshotgun, Espeonage, TheTrollie, BK201, sowrd_of_omens, guille2015, Malakittens]

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch and 6 votes to quarantine. Deadline for this day is July 9, 1630h UTC+12.

[drmyshotgun]

Menace. I like that. I'll re-read and post something useful.

[guille2015]

Gullie2015: Was the first to mention Scum PR's because it's a better assumption to believe they are existing rather than the latter.

I agree with this. Regardless, definitely in this context doesn't give me any hints of whether he knew or not that mafia has PRs. But assuming that mafia has PR and trying to jail mafia is safer than assuming they don't have PRs and therfore we jail Town VTs. I think the latter is a bad Idea.

He states that we either jail someone suspicious or we don't jail anyone. He votes to quarantine Thetrollie and then FoS'es Espeonage and notes that would like to vote for Espeonage, but didn't because he hasn't counted the votes.(Post #148). In post #151 he votes Espeonage because his lack of explanation on the vote against him. Also states that there is 5 votes on Espeonage already and he will be making it 6, but don't let anyone hammer since we have to decide on quarantine.

You find this as a scum read?

[guille2015]

I am currently suspicious of Image and Phil. Image started the wagon that got Defender Lynched. He is now drawing a new wagon on sword, someone that some players on day 1 found Obvtown. Phil hasn't given any useful information. Likewise, shotgun and Psych promised more information, and they have not. I'm going to see If I can ISO some people today.

[TheTrollie]

sorry, prod dodge. This is the last game I have to catch up on after returning from V/LA, but I am running out of the house now so I will get to it tonight.

[sword_of_omens]

This is the most terribly bland D1 I have ever laid my eyes on. It's a miracle that I got through it.

But there are definitely some angles to investigate, so I'll do that. Tomorrow.

Sorry for my slow entrance. Once I'm in, though, you see consistent contribution. Promise.

@Espe, pretty sure Image is town…

And yes, Psyche, you've been caught up since before D1 lynch...so you really do need to start talking.


@Nab , what's your take on Phil?

[sword_of_omens]

lol...that quote was supposed to be under my note to Espe...

[Phillammon]

I am suddenly worried by *how* good Nab is looking, but I can live with it for now. I'm not convinced on image.

[TheTrollie]

I just did side quick isos

I had a few town reads, Im on phone and in a show where the usher is telling me to turn my phone off. Phil is town, I need to look at mala, something is bugging me about his recent posts

[Psyche]

Oh, I already read this game!

[sword_of_omens]

@Phil: can you clarify your Image remark as that can be taken two ways depending on who you were talking to..
and *how* is NabNab looking good?