Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[MagnaofIllusion]

There are proscum motivations to pointing it out.

No, there aren't. At least not in the reality of the way you made it obviously not real.

[Quilford]

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Spoiler: Activity Log

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MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
Hoopla has used both her daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used both his daily flip and collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
Arugula has used both his daily flip and collect.
2minds1soul have used both their daily flip and collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
DCLXVI has used both his daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect.

Day 1

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Arugula

(6) DCLXVI, IceGuy, Robocopter87, AurorusVox, vijay2vasandani, Voidedmafia

<<<

IceGuy

(2) MagnaofIllusion, Amrun

Hoopla

(1) Lady Lambdadelta

Robocopter87

(1) Arugula

whispersilk

(1) 2minds1soul

AurorusVox

(1) whispersilk

DCLXVI

(1) Hoopla

Not Voting

(0)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-07-08 11:20:06).

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.
Amrun has declared V/LA for over two weeks from Sat, Jun 23, 2012 12:57.44 pm (AEST).
2minds1soul has declared V/LA for a week from Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:48.04 am (AEST).
Lady Lambdadelta has declared V/LA for the coming weekend.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know who is really really town?

Robocopter.

You know who really really needs a bullet between their eyes?

MoI.

Some one get to that, if you will.

[MagnaofIllusion]

You know who is really really town?

Robocopter.

You know who really really needs a bullet between their eyes?

MoI.

Some one get to that, if you will.

And your votes sits stranded on Hoopla. Who apparently does NOT need a bullet between the eyes.

Noted.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know who is really really town?

Robocopter.

You know who really really needs a bullet between their eyes?

MoI.

Some one get to that, if you will.

And your votes sits stranded on Hoopla. Who apparently does NOT need a bullet between the eyes.

Noted.

Magua, you more than anyone know the difference between a bullet and rope.

The fact that you are feigning ignorance to this fact and passively attacking me for it (Hint: This is what you were doing to Robocopter and it's why you need to be shot.) makes you even worse in my eyes.

[AurorusVox]

Lld vote aruguka please x

[MagnaofIllusion]

Magua, you more than anyone know the difference between a bullet and rope.

The fact that you are feigning ignorance to this fact and passively attacking me for it (Hint: This is what you were doing to Robocopter and it's why you need to be shot.) makes you even worse in my eyes.

I'm hardly doing anything of the sort. Thanks for letting me increment my Magua / Magna mix-up counter!

You are specifically appealing for someone to 'Vig' me (either by Vig or CPR Doc) in a set-up where said abilities have to be crafted. And when you specifically have previously said "Let's keep it as Mountainous as possible with my terribad plan". Those two elements don't align.

Meanwhile you have pretty much active lurked this entire day. You dropped a questionable vote on Hoopla and have rode it out doing no other scum-hunting. In fact the "Robo is Town" is the only thing close to content we have seen from you since approximately Page 3. And in a game that you specifically said you want as Mountainous as possible keeping your vote active and viable is even more important.

Yet your words in these last two posts don't match your previously stated motivations. You wanted limited Powers but are asking for a 'Vig'. You are sitting on the sideline doing nothing when a quasi-Mountainous setting requires active scum-hunting.

I suspect you because you are completely passive, non-dynamic, and look like you aren't interested in scum-hunting in the least. And now make a half-hearted effort (you look even worse for suspecting me in that post) at labelling me as OMGUSing (which I know you claim is a scum-move)?

I'm not the one that 'looks bad' in this exchange.

[IceGuy]

MoI, all I see is you accusing almost everyone else in the game with pretty much made-up reasons.

(I still think you're town, though.)

[Amrun]

@Amrun:

What are your reads on IceGuy and Arugula?

EBWOP: This was mean to be Roocopter and Arugula.

I lean town on robocopter, and Arugula is scum.

I have independent scumreads on IceGuy and Arugula, but I DON'T think they are scum together. So yeah.

Arugula's latest round of AtE has not helped his case, and his vote on robo is weak because it's based on a link between robo and av that doesn't even make sense.

Then again, at least he's posting, as compared to IceGuy, who AtEd and then only crops up to post

terrible posts

gems like these:

MoI, all I see is you accusing almost everyone else in the game with pretty much made-up reasons.

(I still think you're town, though.)

I'm willing to lynch either Arugula or IceGuy, but I prefer IceGuy.

LLD, you seem to have a case of the active lurks this game. That's not what I'm used to from you.


Okay, guys, it's time...

From this point until Monday, July 9, I am REALLY, REALLY v/la. I will TRY to phone post during this time, but no promises. If there's a threadsplosion, I can basically guarantee I won't be catching up.

[Hoopla]

Hey Amrun - you've already greased the wheels enough to justify a hammer on Arugula. If you're going to do it, just do it, rather than coyly leave the door open for it, but not taking the responsibility. You think he's scummy, so suck it up and hammer him. IceGuy probably isn't going to be lynched.

For the record, I honestly think Arugula will flip town so I won't hammer, but lets not beat about the bush here.

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Hey Hoopla why are you directly ignoring my questions?

What questions did I miss? This is the only one I seem to find:

Since your definition of an easy lynch seems very fluid can you list those players on the playerlist who aren’t easy lynches?

You're not an easy lynch, nor is AurorusVos or Amrun. LLD isn't easy because she will kick and scream all the way to the end. Does this question really matter to you? I didn't mean to miss it...

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, all I see is you accusing almost everyone else in the game with pretty much made-up reasons.

Well if you consider scum motivated posting and logic that illustrates this “made up reasons” then I don’t know what to tell you …

Aside from the fact that I hardly have suspected “everyone”. Thanks for playing.

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Hey Amrun - you've already greased the wheels enough to justify a hammer on Arugula. If you're going to do it, just do it, rather than coyly leave the door open for it, but not taking the responsibility. You think he's scummy, so suck it up and hammer him. IceGuy probably isn't going to be lynched.

For the record, I honestly think Arugula will flip town so I won't hammer, but lets not beat about the bush here.

WTF is this? You don’t think Arugula is going to flip scum. Amrun says she would prefer Iceguy (who has gone all lurker-mode) to Arugula as today’s lynch.

And you simultaneously say “Hey don’t screw around and just hammer him” and “I’m going to find you scummy when he flips Town”.

Does Not Compute

You're not an easy lynch, nor is AurorusVos or Amrun. LLD isn't easy because she will kick and scream all the way to the end. Does this question really matter to you? I didn't mean to miss it...

It is very important. Based on this I think your justification for suspecting Amrun of going after ‘easy lynches’ is crap and the fact you consider yourself an easy lynch is farcical.

[Hoopla]

WTF is this? You don’t think Arugula is going to flip scum. Amrun says she would prefer Iceguy (who has gone all lurker-mode) to Arugula as today’s lynch.

I just don't like wasting time. If she thinks she's scummy, hammer him. I don't agree with it, but I doubt I will get who I want lynched today, so I don't really care. It's Day 1, so it's not like Arugula has zero chance of flipping scum.

[Amrun]

I didn't even realize he was at L-1, and he almost certainly hasn't claimed, or I was REAAAAAAAAAAAALLY skimming. >.>

[Amrun]

oh shit wait

no claims needed here, right?

VOTE: Arugula

I WOULD prefer IceGuy, but Hoopla is right about momentum. That's probably not happening.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I just don't like wasting time. If she thinks she's scummy, hammer him. I don't agree with it, but I doubt I will get who I want lynched today, so I don't really care. It's Day 1, so it's not like Arugula has zero chance of flipping scum.

Call me crazy but I as Town don’t encourage self-professed scum reads of mine to hammer players I think are Town for the sake of “saving time”.

Who is scum if Arugula flips Town as you suspect?

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@AV

– Who is scum if Arugula flips Town?

@LLD

– Who is scum period?

[whispersilk]

Arugula, who is scum?

[Hoopla]

Who is scum if Arugula flips Town as you suspect?

I haven't thought about it too much, and it depends on IceGuy's alignment. If he is town like I think, it means that the major wagons of town have both been town, which means scum have been under little to no pressure. In these sort of scenarios, the quieter players who aren't furthering the game are typically scum, and usually occupy a higher ratio of votes off the main two wagons and early positions on those wagons, with late vote hoppers and L-1, L-2 type voters usually town. Just a general rule of thumb - I'd obviously have to do the analysis if/when Arugula is town, and if I'm still confident about Ice being town.

Same question to you - what do you think?

[AurorusVox]

Aruguka town would mean vijay scum imo.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I haven't thought about it too much, and it depends on IceGuy's alignment. If he is town like I think, it means that the major wagons of town have both been town, which means scum have been under little to no pressure. In these sort of scenarios, the quieter players who aren't furthering the game are typically scum, and usually occupy a higher ratio of votes off the main two wagons and early positions on those wagons, with late vote hoppers and L-1, L-2 type voters usually town. Just a general rule of thumb - I'd obviously have to do the analysis if/when Arugula is town, and if I'm still confident about Ice being town.

This is a great 'non-answer'. This basically says

"IF I believe Iceguy is Town then it's probably lurkers"

Who are those lurkers in that specific scenario? I'm not asking for dead solid "Never change" reads. I'm asking you to make opinions known.

As to me - if Arugula is indeed Town (which would guess is the case given what I have seen) I'd be confortable lynching in the following -

Iceguy, AV, DCL, Robo, Vijay, LLD

Iceguy's play would fit quite well with scum who drew too much attention, went quiet and let his partners fuel a counter-wagon.

AV / Robo / Vijay all are the most likely to be partners fueling said counterwagon based on the timing and nature of their votes.

DCL sat with his vote on Arugula all day and did nothing to help push the wagon nor find other scum. Ditto for LLD in regards to her Hoopla vote.

At least 2 (maybe all 3) of the scum are in that group if Arugula is Town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Aruguka town would mean vijay scum imo.

Lulz you already found all the scumz in myself, Arugula and Whisper, right? Him flipping Town means that completely explodes? Who would have thunk it ...

[Hoopla]

Aruguka town would mean vijay scum imo.

I don't know about that. I might be wifom'ing myself, but I really don't think vijay would just sit on a reasonless vote on me all day based on our history. I think he'd be more aware of how it looked. I also think people like DCL, 2minds and maybe even Robo are likelier candidates based on wagon/votes.

[Hoopla]

This is a great 'non-answer'.

Have we ever played with each other before..?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Have we ever played with each other before..?

My guts says yes but I can't say that I can directly recall a game. If it happened it has been LONG, LONG ago.

What does that have anything to do with the price of tea in China regarding your non-answer?

[Hoopla]

What does that have anything to do with the price of tea in China regarding your non-answer?

Dunno. I'm a slow starter, but I sometimes churn out analysis when there is genuine relevant information in the game. Right now, you're making me guess, which is why I'm giving you lame answers. I'll try and work things out when I reread the game with flips.

[IceGuy]

Aside from the fact that I hardly have suspected “everyone”. Thanks for playing.

You suspected LLD, whisper, Aurorus, vijay, Arugula, Hoopla, DCLXVI, and me. That's eight players in a three-scum game.

And you just recently said you'd lynch all of them except for whisper and Hoopla, which you dropped without an explanation.

You have never posted a read on Amrun, Voided, or 2m1s. You've actually completely ignored 2m1s.

In the end, you're giving and retracting scum reads without rhyme or reason, while remaining ambivalent enough so you can safely lynch everybody when time comes.

I think I have to re-think my "MoI is dumbtown" stance. Here's a hint for next time: You probably should have dropped that point before I actually looked up the facts instead of posting from memory.