Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Code_X]

Didn't say that did I?

[Code_X]

VE - voting two scum helps.

[RedPanda]

Guys,
I know my reads have been shit this game,
So let me have some time to get them up to speed.

In other words, I am going to do a triple ISO with different people against Chrimi and RD.

Actually Why do you need time om?

we all knew the mason death was coming.

the nightkill flip was going to give us no information.

you had 3 days after chrimis death to reread and catch scum.

What did you do with it?

[Potack-ruv]

I've been sidetracked with other games and the meatworld.

BTW, AcRv is finally here and expect a post from him soon.

[Potack-ruv]

Plus I generally don't like reading up during the night phase. I only ever reread when making cases during the day.

[Potack-ruv]

Okay, looking through game (I've not really gotten back in touch with this that much since coming back...) but first thing's first UNVOTE: Potack-ruv

I'm going to check what the heck actually happened now, but just seeing that in my ISO on a skim really made me think "what the heck is going on here?"

[Potack-ruv]

EBWOP: Also admiring the all caps rage... what did you guys do to Ommy? (sorry for quad post, felt the need to point that out)

[Potack-ruv]

AcRv still here, not a lot of time, but a few quick things:

Potack-ruv - He hasn't gone after Rainbow or Chrimi, he refuses to acknowledge Chrimi being obvscum today (not wanting to lose both scumpartners in two days)

Find it funny how you assume the guy who gives all caps rages isn't beyond pushing his scummy buddy under a bus.

Really, going and saying "you wouldn't bus/you would bus" seems kinda null to me. Because let's face it - scum do whatever they can to stay alive. And bussing buddies is a brilliant way to do it, ESPECIALLY when they're already going down.

RedPanda, can you link me to a town game of yours? I would look myself but I have very little energy at the moment. But I just want to check something.

Sorry for having so very little, I'm kinda tired and haven't read as much of the game as I should have, but hopefully I'll have more time tomorrow... if there's anything you specifically want me to comment on, can you say what those things are to make my job easier when I wake up?

[Arugula]

WHOA. The things you miss when you go see Spiderman.

My main request today though, is that

I don't want to be lynched until AcRv actually gets a chance to post.

Maybe he could knock some sense into you guys.

PEDIT: Yes you do. You have played with me enough to not be making mistakes like these. You know my meta better than anyone else here.

Scummy. You are depending on AcRv to come up with some defense because you can't on your own.

Aruglua... Did you miss the part where the FOS's were based off of the reads that Tech asked to be shared if he died?

For all I know, They could have tried to sacrifice you to make them look more townie or if they flipped scum and you survived that you would look townie...

You put them in order of scummiest to not-scummy, so they were influenced by you.

Anyway, RBD out of the blue started a case on me, Chrimi followed, and they tried to mislynch me. On D2, Chrimi didn't even go after me, because he was just parroting RBD and knew I wasn't scum.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

OMGUS

For all I know, They could have tried to sacrifice you to make them look more townie or if they flipped scum and you survived that you would look townie...

Don't think they (scums) had a time to discuss this.

This.

LOL at Potack. His anger and huge text are null, though. But the whole "If RP flips town you can lynch me tomorrow" seems town to me. And Potack is an easy lynch today....but for good reason. CONFLICT

You're only one vote and you didn't do any of the heavy lifting on Chrimi OR Rainbowdash RP. Soben did, on both counts, and that's why Rd wanted him dead.

The fact that you're in here touting your own deeds in this game REALLY stinks to me RP. Really bad.

Good point. RBD even told scum to kill Soben. RP is inflating his own success in lynching scum and using it to further downplay Potack's failure.

UNVOTE:
Both of these players need to stop. This is morphing into Town-Town argument.
Om, please take a breath and let AcRv manage some of these stuff.

I think the real Scum, the final remaining one, would stay as low and quiet as possible right now.
S/he would only try to fuel this conversation.
I'm looking at VE.

While you might be right in this being TvT (although I am seriously doubting considering the vigor they are fighting with), I don't like how you are trying to push this on VE. Why not me, Code_X, or McStab? We all haven't taken part in this argument either. Why VE? And couldn't you say the same about yourself?

Like, here's my take: I wasn't on EITHER scum lynches...but everyone seems to think I'm town. Why? Because I've been in here establishing my towniness. And in order to avoid mislynch every day I have to repeatedly establish my towniness every day by coming in here and trying to figure shit out, like the rest of town.

RedPanda established his innocence early on by scumhunting in the thread, and everyone seems to agree on this. However, he then parked his vote on a lurker who replaced out. Why? Because he "had a scumread on him because of how he replaced out".

My problem with that is that town and scum replace out for different reasons all the time. Replacing out is completely a null tell and he's using it as his reasoning for parking his vote on my slot most of D1. That does NOT seem like the same kind of play that I expect from the RedPanda that was playing at the beginning of the game. I expect more from that RedPanda.

Now he's using the fact that he was on 2 scum lynches as reasoning to why he's town. But here's the thing:

I wasn't on either scum lynch and I'm universally accepted as town.

There's a reason for that. I care about finding scum, and it shows in my posts. RP doesn't, and it shows in his posts. Listen to him, he doesn't want to try and convince anyone. "Just sheep me guys LOL"

RedPanda is scum. That's my opinion.

VOTE: RedPanda

This is a scummy post.
I wouldn't say you are universally accepted as town and bringing attention to being on neither of the two scum lynches is false, because you were on RBD's lynch. I don't think this makes you obvscum and you probably won't be lynched today, but this post stuck out to me.

If RP flips town due to magical fairy dust interfereing with the flips, then Code_X is scum. But I cannot be sure of that until RP gets lynched.

PEDIT: What is my scum motivation for all of those?

But you said that we would lynch you if RedPanda flipped town...

Wouldn't I want to be on the scum wagons for towncred?
Wouldn't I want to use a different argument so I don't look like scum?
Wouldn't I not want to vote you to avoid OMGUS accusations?
Wouldn't I not AtE by fear of being called out?

BUT HEY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT DOING ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE I'M TOWN AND I JUST WANT TO FUCKING GET YOU LYNCHED.

Pedit: My playstyle is very distinct. JUST FUCKING READ MY META.

Pedit: Yes, feel free to lynch me all you want if RP flips town. It could potentially be a two for one deal if you buy from me.

This is just pure WIFOM.

If RP flips town due to magical fairy dust interfereing with the flips, then Code_X is scum. But I cannot be sure of that until RP gets lynched.

PEDIT: What is my scum motivation for all of those?

Also this is absolute horseshit.


Seriously om.

I flip town and then you want to lynch my solid town read?

The only reason you're playing this shitty is because you're scuim

Good point.

Meh I honestly have no clue what to do right now.

[Code_X]

At this point we have a number of mis-lynches we can use before the scum win.

Perhaps we should work on a basis of town reads and go from there.

As it goes I'm good with a Potato or a VE lynch. Everyone else I'm reading as town.

[VisceraEyes]

By that logic, I'm down with lynching RP or Potato. Everyone else

I'm

reading as town.

[Arugula]

I'm down with lynch RP or Potato as well.

VE and drmyshotgun come later, but I think the last scum is one of RP or Potato.

[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: ViceraEyes

[drmyshotgun]

I'm down with lynch RP or Potato as well.

VE and drmyshotgun come later, but I think the last scum is one of RP or Potato.

....You only picked out the things Potack did and yet you are fine with RedPanda lynch too?
You still want to consider suspicion on me while I was attacked by Chrimi and joined two Scum wagons to lynch both?
VE comes now.

[Potack-ruv]

AcRv here again, actually reading this time.

WHOA. The things you miss when you go see Spiderman.

My main request today though, is that

I don't want to be lynched until AcRv actually gets a chance to post.

Maybe he could knock some sense into you guys.

PEDIT: Yes you do. You have played with me enough to not be making mistakes like these. You know my meta better than anyone else here.

Scummy. You are depending on AcRv to come up with some defense because you can't on your own.

You've never been in a hydra, have you? To come back and find that you've been lynched and you had no control over it really sucks. It's called common courtesy. Much like you don't lynch people who are V/LA.

If RP flips town due to magical fairy dust interfereing with the flips, then Code_X is scum. But I cannot be sure of that until RP gets lynched.

PEDIT: What is my scum motivation for all of those?

But you said that we would lynch you if RedPanda flipped town...

...

Yes, feel free to lynch me all you want if RP flips town. It could potentially be a two for one deal if you buy from me.

"Feel free to lynch me" and "Lynch me" aren't the same thing... put them together it's basically a "I think it's Code_X, but if you want to lynch me first then whatever."

But Can you tell me what this is all about.

Wait wait, there are 3 masons according to the OP who operate as a team is what it looks like to me.

We really need some clarity from the Mason claims.

Fuck this, it's mason claim time imo.

We have 2 mason claims (shotgun, Andrew) when there should be 3 masons. Only the third mason knows if the first two are telling the truth, so I think the third mason shoud claim.

TAM seems to be soft-claiming third mason, but I'm tired of this shit. We need hard claims to sort out this mess. Anyone opposed?

I can't imagine the third is like, a recruiting mason or anything (too powerful imo, ymmv) so I can't think of a good reason why the third isn't confirming claims so we can get down to the business of lynching scums.

Hey if we have a mason death N1 and N2, killing the third mason's partners, then what is the advantage of not having a mason death N3? At that point the third mason is just another VT right? Unless there's some sort of recruiting mechanic?

I honestly don't see a downside at this point, and it would clear up a LOT of junk.

Are you pretending to be a newb?

... Viscera, why didn't you acknowledge this post? I saw that Red Panda already picked him up on it, but that's not the only thing he missed:

Oh doctor my doctor.

Oh doctor my doctor.

Yes?

No response given to that either.

you're scum by POE.

May I ask why VisceraEyes is town? The way you dismissed VE from you POE doesn't seem very strong to me... scum told people to lay off the wagon, so that means he's town? The POE leaves you, Viscera, and us.

you're scum for staying out of two scum wagons.

I think assuming that we wouldn't bus is a long shot.

You're scum for using the same arguments that both scum used,.

Can you show me which arguments you're referring to?

You're scum for OMGUSing me.

Because, y'know, we would totally fake something like that when we're the last in our faction and would be pretty darn suspicious.

You're scum for ATEing.

People lose their temper. Rage is null. Always. It can just as easily be faked as it can be real.

As for reads... shotgun's mason claim seems like on heck of a gambit to try as scum, so I'm assuming he's town.

I think scum is either VisceraEyes or Red Panda... I'm leaning towards Viscera, but Ommy's saying Panda. So I think I'll hold the vote back for now.

[Potack-ruv]

I agree with VE-scum because I swear he was trying to suck up to me when he voted RP with me, but this only works if RP flips town. Which means I could flip either way based on who's going to be lynched.

This day is now between VE, RP, and I (if you guys are surprisingly still considering lynching us).

[drmyshotgun]

No we are NOT flipping RP. We are flipping VE.

[Potack-ruv]

Eh, might as well.
VOTE: Viscera Eyes


I keep asking AcRv to do something, but he's not responding

[drmyshotgun]

.___.

That was umm...way too easy. Umm...yeah. Fine.

[RedPanda]

I've got many town games. you've got to look for it yourself.


Its not 100% town read on VE. the way the scum poked at his wagon seems to be like scum calling a town wagon shitty. I'm pretty sure you're scum and I want you lynched first.


And the POE doesn't leave me at all.

Om thought I was obv town till I started calling him scum.

And hes using one tell which mcqueen used from someother game. and apparently that tell is used by only scum.
And the tell is Only scum would call somebody scum for being shitty at catching scum.

This is ridiculous even for om.


VE Thinks I'm not scumhunting as much as I was at the start of the game. This is another ridiculous thing.

Start of day scumhunting check.
middle of day V/LA announced check.
end of day scumhunting which leads to scum lynched check.
day 2 another scum lynched check.
day 3 I'm the one leading a lynch on om check.

Explain to us VE.

TAM thinks I'm scum because he's an absolute moron. He thinks om is town because om played this way in another game. This is the most terrible Kind of play in the game.

you use meta to judge playstyle not alignment. Just another terrible player I don't have time for.


and this is why I'm town.

Not just that though; your read on RP hasn't even been explained but you're insisting on it being sheeped, you state a scum-read on me or consideration that I'm scum (Which I'm pretty sure is impossible to come from you as town given how obvious/apparent my town vs scum meta is) while at the same time appealing to me and you've got Code_X thrown into the 'lynch later' pile when his entrance post comes across as incredibly obvtown - not just that though you have a 'null' read on Chrimi when his voting pattern is incredibly opportunistic.

its rainbowdash playing the paranoid card.

Unvote vote rainbowdash

or chrimi I can go either way.

I chose to lynch rainbowdash over chrimi when the chrimi wagon was growing.

[drmyshotgun]

I went and checked...yep.
VisceraEyes suggest they lynch me yesterday and Chrimi strongly agreed with that.

[RedPanda]

Can you show me which arguments you're referring to?

Wouldn't I be trying to fake consistency if I were scum?

PEDIT: Ha.

Wait, revelation!
VOTE: Red Panda
Last game I was in when I was on the lynch block for having bad reads, the person pushing that attack was scum.

You know I would never put anywhere near as much effort into attacking my scumreads as I have done this game if I were scum.

Thank you.

This helps me a lot.

If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

OHHH

lynch this with fire.

where are my sheep.

[RedPanda]

Guys,
I know my reads have been shit this game,
So let me have some time to get them up to speed.

In other words, I am going to do a triple ISO with different people against Chrimi and RD.

Actually Why do you need time om?

we all knew the mason death was coming.

the nightkill flip was going to give us no information.

you had 3 days after chrimis death to reread and catch scum.

What did you do with it?

I've been sidetracked with other games and the meatworld.

BTW, AcRv is finally here and expect a post from him soon.

Plus I generally don't like reading up during the night phase. I only ever reread when making cases during the day.

you guys are a hydra and you're not scumhunting in your hydra qt?

The hydra is scum.

Om isn't the way your hydra is behaving the way most scum hydras behave?

[Potack-ruv]

RP, if you're scum, why don't you just vote VE so we can get him out of the way?
RP, if you're town, why don't you just vote VE so we can see which alignment he is?

We barely use our QT anyway, as we do most of our stuff on Skype. I've been telling him to read up, and to make a few cases but lately he hasn't been responding as much.

Really, how is this scum hydra'ing when this is waaaayyyyy more pro-town hydra'ing than when I hydra'd with DGB (and in that game I was also town)?

[Potack-ruv]

I mean seriously, the fact I knew AcRv was here before he actually posted means we have definitely been communicating.

You're seriously reaching big time, and if you are town then you must suck horribly.