Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[drmyshotgun]

Nice opportunism there.

Yeah me going back and forth with you for like 50 posts with noone moving their votes to you and deciding it's futile is opportunistic, you're a fucking wizard.

If it makes you feel better I'll see to it that you won't make it to endgame.

Cool.

[whispersilk]

So Code_X, with two very recent votes on him, votes me, someone who he's barely mentioned all game. I don't understand his scum read on me. And then we have Phil, who back in post #278 called me one of his scum reads due to the prodding fiasco. I asked him in my post #294 exactly what prodding fiasco he meant, and also to explain his other scum read, derpy. He's posted 5 times since then, and failed to answer my questions. Now he says he might vote for me too, which is pretty shit scumhunting if he can't be bothered to read the posts of his scum suspects. Can we lynch him twice?

@Code:

My vote has been on defender for so long, because he is my main scum read as I stated way back. I've not moved my vote, because I want to see him lynched. He's done nothing to convince me he's town, the little he has done seems rushed and forced while under pressure, and I've even called for more votes on him.

Considering I also have scum and null reads, do you have a problem with me having numerous town reads in a game with a majority town population?

@Phil:

Can you get around to answering my questions as soon as, please?

[ActionDan]

are you a dummy?

of course he is not making it to endgame, hes has a miller claim and it benefits town to lynch millers, no matter how towny the person is

you're tunneling on a stupid lynch right now, we need information from other players

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I don't even. Miller claim != lynch sometime before lylo.

The only game I played on MS in which I finished was a game that had a miller (first played by DeltaWave [who scummed up the slot] then by RainbowDash) survive until 5p remained with one confirmed town VT (me), 2 unconfirmed VTs, and a claimed Follower (MoI, who was actually a Mafia Rolecop). If it had been policy to lynch the claimed miller, town would have likely lost that game. In fact, had we mislynched one particularly scummy VT, Lylo would have been between one likely town VT, the miller and the claimed PR. Again if everyone went, "welp you gotta policy lynch the miller," town would have lost.

Let me repeat, you lynch millers based on whether you think their day-play is scummy or not.

It benefits town to lynch SCUM, not null claims for the sake of the claim.

At the moment Dry is leaning town for me and I don't get at all this flare of policy lynch millers for being millers comes from.

[inte]

long hair dont care

hes dying eventually, just not now

[Apple Jack]

Curious why all the Whisper hate.

Agreed

@ whisper, haven't seen your links. Will check when I get to a pc

@ inte, not answering that question. Let's just say I find lots of people scummy, but I know they can't all be scum.

is there a reason for that?

Because its a stupid question....

Here is my top 3 list of most likely scum

3. Defender
2. Inte
1. Fitz


Honorable mentions are mafia n00b, code, and matty off the top of my head. I'm probably forgetting some people.


And yes I realize I think half the player set is scummy, so what, they are scummy. I don't town hunt so I do t get town reads often.

I will re-evaluate my reads after each flip.

[Code_X]

Considering I also have scum and null reads, do you have a problem with me having numerous town reads in a game with a majority town population?

Yes.

It sickens me as I have none. No strong ones anyway.

[inte]

good job ignoring phillamon

if phillamon scum derpy scum

[ActionDan]

I'll be gone this weekend, and limited tomorrow. I'll keep on Code_X, but if his wagon doesn't grow I'll be going with voting Def. If MattP picks up I'm up for that too.

[havingfitz]

@Fitz

your vote on Dr was scummy because you voted onto a bandwagon with nothing to back up the vote itself

Voting on bandwagons is not scummy...the object of the game can't be achieved without it.

Not giving vote rationale is not scummy...and I did give my reason later when asked...though by then I had started to change my read on gunny.


@Derpy...how about answering my questions and addressing the point I made wrt your crap case. And of you have played with me you don't show it.

[Apple Jack]

good job ignoring phillamon

if phillamon scum derpy scum

He is already lynched, so why would I name him?

I was naming people not lynched already, maybe be more clear with your questions next time.

[Apple Jack]

@ fitz

@Derpy...how about answering my questions and addressing the point I made wrt your crap case. And of you have played with me you don't show it.

How about you learn to read ok? I said I'm going to do that when I get to a PC. My hotel doesn't have free wifi so you will just have to wait.

[MattP]

I'll be gone this weekend, and limited tomorrow. I'll keep on Code_X, but if his wagon doesn't grow I'll be going with voting Def. If MattP picks up I'm up for that too.

What? You have expressed NO suspicion of me this entire time and suddenly you are ok with a MattP wagon?

[havingfitz]

@ fitz

@Derpy...how about answering my questions and addressing the point I made wrt your crap case. And of you have played with me you don't show it.

How about you learn to read ok? I said I'm going to do that when I get to a PC. My hotel doesn't have free wifi so you will just have to wait.

How about not being a dick? I don't have your $%&# travel itinerary; you don't seem to have a problem with posting; and, I am on the phone without wifi the majority of the time I'm posting so quit your whinging.

You have your vote on me for crap reasons and your excuse for not addressing it is unacceptable and puts me at risk....when you are obviously able to address my response.

[inte]

good job ignoring phillamon

if phillamon scum derpy scum

He is already lynched, so why would I name him?

I was naming people not lynched already, maybe be more clear with your questions next time.

you didn't answer my question

you gave a list of people who are scummy

[inte]

and how the fuck is it a stupid question when im not sure who the fuck you're suspicious of

[Apple Jack]

Yes I can post, but what I have a problem with is when people embed links to posts, my phone takes me to the top of the page and not the post itself. Plus I'm on vacation and shouldn't even be posting to begin with. My wife yells at me every time I pick up my phone to play "that stupid mafia crap"

My vote on you is for good reasonings, you obviously disagree. It's a difference if opinion. Yours is not greater than mine and unless others tell me my reasons are crap, I'm not inclined to listen to you say I'm wrong. My opinion > your opinion. Others are voting you also yet you seem focused on me alone.

Question for you.

If a person makes a case on you and they are wrong, does that automatically make them scum?

I'll try to find these questions you asked me, but my case is good. The fact that you still aren't scum hunting is proof my case is good. (attacking the 1 person voting you and ignoring all others isn't scum hunting btw)

To whoever said defending yourself is townie, I disagree. It's null. Defending yourself is imperative no matter what allignment.

P.edit

Ive been pretty clear who I'm suspicious of.

It's a stupid question cause I can't vote multiple people.

I gave a list of people most likely to be scum. You, defender, and fitz.

[inte]

Yes I can post, but what I have a problem with is when people embed links to posts, my phone takes me to the top of the page and not the post itself. Plus I'm on vacation and shouldn't even be posting to begin with. My wife yells at me every time I pick up my phone to play "that stupid mafia crap"

My vote on you is for good reasonings, you obviously disagree. It's a difference if opinion. Yours is not greater than mine and unless others tell me my reasons are crap, I'm not inclined to listen to you say I'm wrong. My opinion > your opinion. Others are voting you also yet you seem focused on me alone.

Question for you.

If a person makes a case on you and they are wrong, does that automatically make them scum?

I'll try to find these questions you asked me, but my case is good. The fact that you still aren't scum hunting is proof my case is good. (attacking the 1 person voting you and ignoring all others isn't scum hunting btw)

To whoever said defending yourself is townie, I disagree. It's null. Defending yourself is imperative no matter what allignment.

P.edit

Ive been pretty clear who I'm suspicious of.

It's a stupid question cause I can't vote multiple people.

I gave a list of people most likely to be scum. You, defender, and fitz.

its obviously not clear if i had to ask for a concise list

i knew you attacked me for some things and also didn't like defender

but you said that you had multiple scum reads and i was bewildered

anyone want to wagon derpy? see if you can spot the contradiction in his post

[MattP]

Also if Shotgun's claim is legit. I'm slinging him in the ring with rope tied round his neck.

Aka it doesn't matter if his claim is legit or not.

Also if Shotgun's claim is legit. I'm slinging him in the ring with rope tied round his neck.

Aka it doesn't matter if his claim is legit or not.

fitz, do you think we should lynch shotgun?

Somewhat less than I did initially. For day 1 the combo of being onsite while not posting in here combined with being in 12 games at once is distasteful to me but on further consideration neither are indicative of alignment...especially the excess games. Still mulling over his claim.

Inte is too pushy for my liking(not to mention there's no need to call people fucktards for no reason).

VOTE: 1 inte
VOTE: 2 mafia noob

I read over havingfitz, and some things stand out to me, like his push for a dr wagon initially but then a complete backtrack 2 to 3 posts later. He provided explanation, but it seemed policy at first so his backtrack seems feigned. Also, after he hammered phil his paragraph read very artificial. Gut says he didn't intentionally hammer but that his response to the mistake pings scum.

Action, tell me when you started thinking I was a good lynch.

[Apple Jack]

ok fitz, your post 373

1. the observation that I agreed with on Inte about you is the one where you are scum.
2. answered this already. Yes I have played with you before.


now onto post 453

my first reason for you was the fact that you don't push your scum reads, you abandon your vote on mafia-n00b, and when you promise more activity you don't deliver. Sure you can argue that it was 4th of july and your activity was going to be lower but that is not what you said when you made the promise, this is what you said.

I'll be focusing more attention on this game. Other game requirements have relaxed for the moment so I should be able to catch up // get in gear.

than you don't post again until Sunday and claim you were on vacation, despite posting on July 4th and not mentioning that fact. You don't mention it until after a wagon starts to form on you, which is fishy imo. If you were on vacation why did you not declare that you were on V/la like you did earlier for a "weekend v/la" a 5 day vacation is a longer time away yet no annoucement of a v/la but when you are going to be inactive for a weekend, you declare one? makes no sense imo.



In post 69, fitz votes mafia with his vote1 for what looks to be a very valid reason, but than on post 126 he switches his vote1 to Inte(putting him at L-3) for being "too pushy" which isn't as good of a reason. He does move his vote on mafia to vote2 but comparing the reasons, putting INte at L-3 for being pushy is a horrible reason.

someone asks why he voted mafia he said he was just switching from vote 1 to vote 2 and points out to his reasoning but in post 207 he unvotes mafia for no reason at all... during this time he does not question mafia n00b or Inte at all (hence my comment of not pushing his scum reads) and he does not explain why he unvotes Mafia noob at all. Why would he unvote someone that he had a valid reason for voting?

I still am not sure why he unvoted mafia n00b.

yet another thing that makes no sense. in post 373 he votes me but says he would support a Matt wagon if it switched to vote 2, this implies he thinks Matt is scummier than me yet he does nothing to push people to vote Matt on Vote 2 nor does he do anything to build a case against him.

none of this play makes sense from a town perspective which is why I am voting fitz.



@ whisper - which links were you referring to? you said you posted links and wanted me to respond to them, but not seeing them anywhere. can you point me in the right direction...

[Apple Jack]

Yes I can post, but what I have a problem with is when people embed links to posts, my phone takes me to the top of the page and not the post itself. Plus I'm on vacation and shouldn't even be posting to begin with. My wife yells at me every time I pick up my phone to play "that stupid mafia crap"

My vote on you is for good reasonings, you obviously disagree. It's a difference if opinion. Yours is not greater than mine and unless others tell me my reasons are crap, I'm not inclined to listen to you say I'm wrong. My opinion > your opinion. Others are voting you also yet you seem focused on me alone.

Question for you.

If a person makes a case on you and they are wrong, does that automatically make them scum?

I'll try to find these questions you asked me, but my case is good. The fact that you still aren't scum hunting is proof my case is good. (attacking the 1 person voting you and ignoring all others isn't scum hunting btw)

To whoever said defending yourself is townie, I disagree. It's null. Defending yourself is imperative no matter what allignment.

P.edit

Ive been pretty clear who I'm suspicious of.

It's a stupid question cause I can't vote multiple people.

I gave a list of people most likely to be scum. You, defender, and fitz.

its obviously not clear if i had to ask for a concise list

i knew you attacked me for some things and also didn't like defender

but you said that you had multiple scum reads and i was bewildered

anyone want to wagon derpy? see if you can spot the contradiction in his post

yes I have multiple scum reads, but I realize not all of them could be scum...

Until I can sit down and re-read on a computer, I can't be sure exactly if each of my scum reads are due to them just being scummy playstyle or them doing legitimately scummy things.

I need to look at meta and look at each person's votes and their reasons behind them before I can make an accurate assessment, something I can't do right now especially since I am pretty sure I have caught scum in Fitz. If day 2 I am still alive I will be back from V/LA and will be able to dedicate more time to the game.

I will say lynching me is not a good idea, but if that is what everyone wants to do, I won't give a shit.

[mafia-n00b]

493 is actually interesting. Will ISO fitz to check derpy's read.

[PeregrineV]

@Chess- VC please. I would like to get my bets in.

[D3f3nd3r]

People, just over a day hours left.

Move your asses!

Also, a VC would be nice.

[inte]

defender do you ever provide content?

[PeregrineV]

defender do you ever provide content?

You should whoop his ass for it, Spartacus!