Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[UberNinja]

Hi, everyone!

[Bitmap]

Hi, everyone!

Sup Uber! Help town win a perfect game again?

[DLG]

Here's the basic points against Bitmap. I don't think anything has really gone unanswered, I just don't buy the answers given.

• Contradiction between adding a fourth vote to the early wagon on McStab and simultaneously casting suspicion that calling for an early wagon is scummy.
  
• Making that fourth vote as another RVS vote. This indicates a desire to not be held accountable for the vote.
  
• Pro forma defenses that aren't really applicable.
  

  Maybe next time you could quote or say the post numbers so I can at least know what I'm defending against?

  
  Three posts by Bitmap at that time, and two were called out as scummy.
  

  DLG and Greywing have been tunneling me really hard lately

  
  Not true. I haven't neglected paying attention to other players, nor is applying pressure the same thing as tunneling.
  
  
• The misrep with respect to who was originally being pressured as part of the justification for voting me.
  

  Grey pointed out that your post is reaction-fishing me.

  
  This isn't true. While I could understand someone on the outside of this debate getting confused over the references, it was an integral part of the back and forth between me and Bitmap. I'm not sure how he could make that mistake legitimately.

Pedit: I'll get to the newer posts in a bit.

[UberNinja]

Hi, everyone!

Sup Uber! Help town win a perfect game again?

In all likelihood, probably not, but of course that is always the goal.

I'll read and reply in the next few hours.

[Bitmap]

Hi, everyone!

Sup Uber! Help town win a perfect game again?

In all likelihood, probably not, but of course that is always the goal.

I'll read and reply in the next few hours.

Alright, maybe you can give more input than Andrew.

[DoubleJD]

Hyperion, im no veteran mafiascum player and all, but it seems to me that reading the thread is beneficial to playing the game.

Also, why are you defending bk?

[DoubleJD]

Ill look at the bitmap stuff after lunch.

[Greywing]

I like grey and gunny as town. DLG town for thinking so as well and thinking bit might be an alt. That seems like a genuine town conclusion/question. Bit's wagon started from nothing (the initial reasons are reaction testing at best), and got a ton of support. However, i dont see reason to think shes scum. Theres too many silent ppl to wagon her this fast when we all know her join date.

Also UNVOTE:

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

Hyperion, im no veteran mafiascum player and all, but it seems to me that reading the thread is beneficial to playing the game.

Also, why are you defending bk?

Just gonna keep this for future reference.

Looking forward to your Bitmap reads, JD.

[DLG]

And @DLG: I know you said yo asked a question, but I can't find it what was it?

VOTE: Andrew94
Because "bandwagon his ass" is not a legit reason for a vote.

What's scummy about it? To me, andrew94's vote is a slight Town-tell

I wanted to know what scum motivation you assigned to andrew94's vote. Also, now, what changed? You seem to have dropped this line of inquiry in favor of something else.

And, do you have any kind of opinion on Bitmap?

Hi, everyone!

Howdy.

andrew94's vote is something of a bone of contention. You're not him, obviously, but I'd like to know if you support the vote. Not the style of it, the target.

@ Nobody Special:
I'll be V/LA until Sunday evening

~~Noted.

[DoubleJD]

Here's the basic points against Bitmap. I don't think anything has really gone unanswered, I just don't buy the answers given.

• Contradiction between adding a fourth vote to the early wagon on McStab and simultaneously casting suspicion that calling for an early wagon is scummy.
  
• Making that fourth vote as another RVS vote. This indicates a desire to not be held accountable for the vote.
  
• Pro forma defenses that aren't really applicable.
  

  Maybe next time you could quote or say the post numbers so I can at least know what I'm defending against?

  
  Three posts by Bitmap at that time, and two were called out as scummy.
  

  DLG and Greywing have been tunneling me really hard lately

  
  Not true. I haven't neglected paying attention to other players, nor is applying pressure the same thing as tunneling.
  
  
• The misrep with respect to who was originally being pressured as part of the justification for voting me.
  

  Grey pointed out that your post is reaction-fishing me.

  
  This isn't true. While I could understand someone on the outside of this debate getting confused over the references, it was an integral part of the back and forth between me and Bitmap. I'm not sure how he could make that mistake legitimately.

Pedit: I'll get to the newer posts in a bit.

The problem i have with this, is that they can be explained away by noobieness.

Point 1) Its common for 2nd votes in the pregame to be points of interest. The attack though, following the 4th vote on Mr StabbyMcStabberson is weird for both town and scum to do. So null

Point 2) RVS is RVS. As if anyone thought the mcstab wagon would go anywhere. I dont see scum motivation in voting mcstab, when its just as easy to ignore the wagon entirely and keep the RV on andrew. I see 'for fun' as a reason. So i null this too.

Point 3) Would you be interested in why youre being attacked as town? I would. He got 2-4 votes very quickly over nothing. My response as both town/scum would be "wait wut" So Null again. The tunneling thing is just misuse of the word >.> I got called out for using omgus wrong as town in my last game.

Point 4) I dont follow. post 21 follows bitmap responding to a dlg post. post 19. So it is true. It feels like your baiting to see if bitmap will point this out, but you've said before that you were done debating with him.

Granted, i think Bit's accusation of DLG and Grey buddying is scummy. So theres not nothing to this bitmap thing, i just dont think there's much.

I dont know why more people arent getting their feet wet with this issue. Be a man, doooo the right thing and post.

[Greywing]

Point 3) Would you be interested in why youre being attacked as town? I would. He got 2-4 votes very quickly over nothing. My response as both town/scum would be "wait wut" So Null again. The tunneling thing is just misuse of the word >.> I got called out for using omgus wrong as town in my last game.

There's a bit of a difference between questioning why you're being attacked and "what's my second scummy post?"

The first instance is a legitimate reaction and if that were the case, I'd agree it was a null tell. That's not what Bit did. Bit essentially acknowledged that he'd made a scummy post, and asked what his other one was. That's not a Town reaction.

And no, he's not accidently misusing "tunneling." He knows what it means and legitimately believes that's what is happening.

[DoubleJD]

I argue they're the same. The attack against him was two of his posts were scummy. 21 implies 19 is scummy. That's pretty clear imo and he's responding to p21 when he asks what the 2nd post your attacking him over is. Maybe it could have been phrased more carefully, but I don't see an issue in knowing what youre being attacked over.

The tunneling thing is still whatever.

[BK201]

Not particularly. I dont expect many scum to be on it anyway just because its a super early wagon. Whats more interesting to me, is the people not interested in it at all. Like mr bk201 for example.

VOTE: bk201, talk to me baby. Whatcha thinking about? Are you pro or anti bit!

Pressure doesnt work if I can't see it. I wasn't even looking at this thread since my rvs vote.

Shamelessly sheeping DLG,
VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-1.

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

[BK201]

apparently I technically voted myself just now.

VOTE: Bitmap

That's L-1

[inte]

sheep bk's vote

VOTE: bk201

[drmyshotgun]

sheep bk's vote

VOTE: bk201

What happened to your two "Scums" caught?

[inte]

this guy just went full Smurf

Edited language. ~~NS

[Greywing]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

[Nobody Special]

You should not make any post, or start any thread, with the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other user on this site. Within a game, criticism of another player's play is acceptable - making it personal is not, and may result in action by the moderator of that game. Outside a game, determination of the intention of the poster will be made by mith, or someone appointed by mith.

Certain words which are particularly offensive to a group of people (by race, gender, sexual orientation, or mental capacity) may be deleted on sight depending on the context.

So, in perusing the Game Rules to quote the one that inte just broke, I find, much to my horror, that there is no rule prohibitng name-calling and other infantile, shitty behavior. I apparently thought it was enough that it was covered in the site rules.

So, according to the site rules, do not be insulting or call other players names. Be nice, be civil, have fun. Don't make me tell you again.

[Bitmap]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

[Greywing]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

Because although I currently have a scum read on you, having you at L-1 on page 5 when you're basically the only person Town has discussed is terrible.

[Bitmap]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

Because although I currently have a scum read on you, having you at L-1 on page 5 when you're basically the only person Town has discussed is terrible.

Couldn't you use the L-1 as pressure on me?

[BK201]

this guy just went full Smurf

Edited language. ~~NS

@Mod

What did Inte originally call me? It may affect my vote.

Replied via PM. ~~NS

[BK201]

I put Bitmap at L-1 b/c he apparently had a guilty conscience and thought he had been accused of rolefishing rather than reaction fishing (?)
+ L-1 usually creates pressure. His response seems townish.
UNVOTE:

VoteToReplace: Inte

don't like his trolling. Sad thing is he is probably town b/c in my other game with him we were both scum and he wasn't an idiot there.

Idk where to put my vote, sue me.

[Greywing]

Unvote

What the hell was that, BK?

Wait, why did you unvote?

Because although I currently have a scum read on you, having you at L-1 on page 5 when you're basically the only person Town has discussed is terrible.

Couldn't you use the L-1 as pressure on me?

In two of my previous three games, Town players have stupidly quickhammered on D1. I'd rather avoid having that happen again until I can get some more reads on other players.

VoteToReplace: Inte

don't like his trolling. Sad thing is he is probably town b/c in my other game with him we were both scum and he wasn't an idiot there.

^Seconded.