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[inte]

so hows uber allowed to prod dodge like that

[Bitmap]

You just need to post anything to avoid a prod. Prods are meant to be used if the mod thinks you forgot about the game.

[inte]

im not talking about the mod, silly

im talking about everyone here whos letting him slip like that

[Rainbowdash]

Because some apparently dont get it

1) You massclaim TOMORROW. Today would be only if we for some reason get a large number of claims.
2) We hypo hide today. For those who do not know what it means, you say "If im a hider I will target X". As everypony says that, scum dont know who to kill if they are looking for a possibly non-existant hider. A dead hider gives us scum though.

Im a little wierded out by so many being willing yet apparently clueless about the massclaim thing, but I think thats actually going to be a good thing since the right way to deal with it as scum is actually pretty complex. That C9++ scum completely butchered it to the point where I had them all caught in the dead QT early (I actually CAN link that) so with not many understanding it you NEED to make that claim tomorrow.

Im going to mull over the tier aspect again since that was off the cuff last run but I think is effective.

@DJD - Why MS over Near in the lurker battle?

[drmyshotgun]

I'm going to hide behind RBD.

[McStab]

I'm going to hide behind DMS.

[inte]

im hiding behind RBD

[Rainbowdash]

@mod

- In the event a hider targets another hider, what is the outcome?

Covering all the bases with this one.

[BK201]

The maximum H's listed only has 1 Hider.

"HHHH = Hider, 1-Shot Commuter, 1-Shot Commuter, 1-Shot Commuter"

"If you draw more letters than are listed in a category, give the maximum power listed for that letter. " -- Not sure how this part works though.

@Mod

What would be the roles for 5 H's?

[Rainbowdash]

Well that works then. I thought it would be a hide, commute, hide, commute pattern.

@mod

- What about hider targeting commuter using a shot?

[Nobody Special]

I hate you all

As pointed out, there can only be one Hider in this setup.

The roles for the Hider portion, in the event of 5 Hs, would be the same as for 4 Hs (HHHH = Hider, 1-Shot Commuter, 1-Shot Commuter, 1-Shot Commuter ).

A Hider hiding behind a Commuter who is actively Commuting that Night will not die (the Hider would only die if the Commuter was NOT commuting, and therefore, if targeted, died).

[Greywing]

Rach, I know you were on this forum about six hours ago. I figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and wait and see if you'd post reads. Clearly, you haven't bothered. You haven't stated that you're V/LA, and you've been lurky for the entirety of the game thus far. No more excuses.

VOTE: RachMarie

Are you scum, or are you intentionally playing anti-Town?

[Rainbowdash]

Ok.

RBDs theory ramblings number two - how to claim.

This is not as straightforward as I though it was going to be because of the "or" modifiers. It does tell us some stuff though, so thats awesome.

In C9++ you claim by tiers in a first pass, and I think we can at least try it here, it makes the K and P roles safer claims, but it should work and be minimal risk.

If you are a role that only shows up if more than one letter appears, in a massclaim on the first pass you claim tier two. If you exist at only one letter, tier one. If VT of course VT. While Doc and Vig can appear at tier one, its mildly unlikely for that to be the case.

What this does is force scum to either pick low tier roles, or high tier ones that possibly cant exist.

Once all tiers have been claimed, we again pass through for claiming, this time the tier two role claim first. This can catch scum who claims a T2 role that cant exist, forcing them to play it conservatively and risk being countered by a T1 role.

For example, scum claims T2, and then claims Commuter. If there is no Hider, confirmed scum. If they clam T1 and claim hider then there is a second hider claim, one of the two is scum.

Claiming in this game needs to happen D2, it probably could work right now but if the number of roles is low its not worth it. The only downside is so many players dont know what to do in this setup, in the offchance scum has somepony who knows what to claim they can convey that to any clueless partners overnight. It simply comes down to "Do we have a lot of roles" and I am not happy making that assumption.

@Grey - Lurking outside of a select few players is indicative of alignment. That and I have a gut town read going on RM at this point. What are your thoughts on all the other plentafull lurkers in this game.

Almost all the votes out now are horrible. Bit is a bad vote, Grey is a bad vote, inte is a bad vote, RM is probably a bad vote, same applies to Uber... ugh.

Vote Near

Stance time. Everypony needs to say what they think of Near in their next post. That wagon has been hanging around for a bit but never has gone anywhere and its time to find out why.

[drmyshotgun]

Near looked Town to me because of him being his usual self of saying whatever he feels like saying without giving second thought.
But if he's going to keep lurking I think he should get replaced.

[Bitmap]

Near looked Town to me because of him being his usual self of saying whatever he feels like saying without giving second thought.
But if he's going to keep lurking I think he should get replaced.

Last visited:Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:07 pm

Yeah, I think he should be replaced or prodded.

[drmyshotgun]

Near looked Town to me because of him being his usual self of saying whatever he feels like saying without giving second thought.
But if he's going to keep lurking I think he should get replaced.

Last visited:Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:07 pm

Yeah, I think he should be replaced or prodded.

Is that your stance?

[Nobody Special]

Near has been prodded.

[Bitmap]

Near looked Town to me because of him being his usual self of saying whatever he feels like saying without giving second thought.
But if he's going to keep lurking I think he should get replaced.

Last visited:Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:07 pm

Yeah, I think he should be replaced or prodded.

Is that your stance?

No, I'll post it shortly.

[BK201]

I think Near is town.

[BK201]

The claim plan sounds pretty good.

[Rainbowdash]

unvote

Just realized im doing that thing where I dont read a word right with respect to calling Near scum when I was about to make an "are you kidding me" post.

[Bitmap]

Okay, Near hasn't been on for 3 days. His posts are short and all he's done is jump bandwagons. I rather get a replacement or him posting more because mislynch because someone is lurking sucks.

[Rainbowdash]

*twitch*

@Bit - What is your read on Near, summary of one is fine with me.

[BK201]

We're not lynching Near today, Bit that post was odd.

[Bitmap]

I think he could be scum. He's been lurky and jumping bandwagons. Voted for me/Grey for the sole reason there was a wagon going on. Other than that, his last post made no sense and is WIFOM.

So he's null/scum for me.